More than 6 million self-described “evangelicals” voted for Obama

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[ansel12]

But realistically, arguing that abortion should be categorically banned under any circumstances isn’t going to win them elections.

We win lots of elections with that, this was one of the areas of weakness with Romney.

Not only does it save lives, but it is noble, and spiritual. It reflects positively on the party, that while arguing money and taxes, it also endures a beating from the media and popular culture for caring for something besides themselves, something that can't vote, and has no obvious economic benefit to anyone, no obvious benefit at all in a political sense, it reveals a caring love of children and even romantic love and a love of life, a deeper love at the core of the republican side, it reinforces the view of republicans as the dads and moms, and the newlyweds and the wholesome people, the caring lovers, the kind of people that everyone aspires to be.

Pro-life is the kind of thing that people come to accept when they get in touch with their better self, if they didn't start as pro-life already. We are winning that argument, and it is not only an argument that needs to be made, it is a fight that without it, then we are no longer worthy to exist.

You propose to become a democrat party II with better economics, frankly, you should be struggling to fight and win control within the democrat party, not the GOP.

Rather than think that you will erase God from American life, you should go the easier route of trying to convert the democrat party into a more economically conservative version of itself.

[Utmost Certainty]

“Anyone who has been here since ‘02 and claims they don’t know what the pro-life platform of the Republican Party is is lying and a troll.”

I wanted to know what being fervently pro-life means to -you-, not what the platform says.

[TigersEye]

For someone who ‘can’t get a bug deep enough up your rectum to make yourself interested in my lame commentary’ you sure can’t resist replying to me. You’re another troll who is here to stir up trouble and won’t engage in real debate. Your blanket accusations of racism against FReepers is disgusting and utterly baseless.

[TigersEye]

Sure, you obviously need some education on abortion. It's murder of a human being.

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Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

54,559,615

Total Abortions since 1973

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Less than 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today - 2006)

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Chosen Child

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[TigersEye]

BTW, you have been challenging the GOP position on abortion regarding attracting voters so it is disingenuous of you to try to make it personal by claiming your interest now is my position. Classic trolling behavior.

[ansel12]

Your statement was "Now we all know what kind voted Obama."

My answer is--Yes, now we all know what kind voted Obama, people of color, the non-religious, the anti-Christian, all are solid, dependable, pro-Obama voting blocks.

Now we also know what kind voted Romney.
Who were the most pro-Romney voters in America? The Evangelicals, with 79%.

Yet you are raging about the most pro-Romney voters in America, how did your religious category vote?

[ravager]

Please don’t humor yourself. You are still a moron, and I still honestly don’t care for a “debate” with a douchebag like you. So how about we keep it civilized and both walk away? Does that work for you?

[TigersEye]

You obviously care a lot or you wouldn’t reply. You just aren’t smart enough to say anything substantive about the subject. All you have are your bigoted accusations of racism and your inane grade-school ad-hominems ala Pee Wee Herman. If you post stupidity you will get replies to it. Suck it up, cupcake.

[ravager]

“Yet you are raging about the most pro-Romney voters in America, how did your religious category vote? “

You tell me.

I don’t know about “the most pro-Romney voter” part. And I am quoting from what the article is saying.

[Utmost Certainty]

We win lots of elections with that, this was one of the areas of weakness with Romney.

Really? Because I heard Romney say quite clearly at the conclusion of either the 1st or 2nd debate, that he was absolutely 100% pro-life. Now of course, the politically informed among us would draw his MA governing record into question and likely dispute that… but most people don't vote on that basis because they're not that informed.

And no, I don't propose to turn the GOP into the Democratic Party w/ better economics. This is more of a philosophical distinction between individualism vs. collectivism, with the Democratic Party being thoroughly ensconced in the latter.

[ansel12]

Yeah, you don’t really have a clue about how things work, the more social liberalism there is, the larger and more intrusive, and expensive government becomes.

We have watched that for 60 years in our nation, social liberalism turned us into a tacky welfare state, with the people dependent, submissive, and living in socialism and our national community and commonality destroyed.

Reality is the opposite of your childish, fantasy.

[dfwgator]

Really? Because I heard Romney say quite clearly at the conclusion of either the 1st or 2nd debate, that he was absolutely 100% pro-life. Now of course, the politically informed among us would draw his MA governing record into question and likely dispute that… but most people don't vote on that basis because they're not that informed.

Obama devastatingly brought it up when he used the term "Romneysia" to describe Mitt's political history. That killed him.

[ansel12]

PRESUMPTIVE GOP PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE MITT ROMNEY DISCUSSES HIS POSITION ON ABORTION TONIGHT, ON THE “CBS EVENING NEWS WITH SCOTT PELLEY”

An excerpt will be broadcast tonight, August 27 on the CBS EVENING NEWS WITH SCOTT PELLEY (6:30-7:00 PM, ET) on the CBS Television Network.

PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?

ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.

[ravager]

What’s your obsession with Pee Wee Herman seriously? lol You talk about him a lot.

[Utmost Certainty]

I asked so I can see some of the reasoning and attitudes behind the position.

[TigersEye]

Everyone knew Romney is flip-flopper. The MSM made sure that message was delivered. And it’s true!

[TigersEye]

I asked so I can see some of the reasoning and attitudes behind the position.

Right. Because after ten years on Free Republic you still don't have a clue. /s LOL Troll!

[fabian]

Catholic and “born again” voting for a pro abortion socialist?? They are not real Christians...only in name, not spirit.

[TigersEye]

What’s your obsession with Pee Wee Herman seriously? lol You talk about him a lot.

Your responses are tailored after him so closely it can't be missed.

Still nothing of substance from you. Trolling.

[Andrei Bulba]

Well I guess you only come out at night now.