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Why Hispanics Donít Vote for Republicans [Clash of Core Interests]
National Review ^ | November 07, 2012 | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 11/09/2012 3:25:22 PM PST by Steelfish

Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans By Heather Mac Donald November 7, 2012

The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population.

If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely ....

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 3:25:24 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I don’t expect this revelation will make a dent in the Bush/Rove/Rubio ‘give em amnesty’ school of thought, but its good its finally being written about.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 3:30:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

I have resigned myself to the fact that my country is going down the crapper.

I don’t care.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 3:37:50 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: Steelfish
Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans
Asked and Answered

4 posted on 11/09/2012 3:40:53 PM PST by radioone
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To: Steelfish

Feliz Navidad


5 posted on 11/09/2012 3:44:06 PM PST by Lexington Green (Burn down the house.)
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To: Steelfish

my take - hispanics, like the countries they come from, are highly class-divided. they have been this way for centuries, and it found its most obvious expression with socialism and corrupt statism.

The lower classes that have fled their own countries to come to the USA are pickled in the class-warfare rhetoric and thinking. Its part of their society, government and language. So its an easy thing for them to accept Obama’s class-warfare cliches, especially on a “rich” gringo like Romney.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 3:45:10 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Steelfish

The Free Sh*t Army won this election and hispanics are part of it.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Steelfish

“Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.”

“U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households.”

These two facts shred the arguments of those who claim we need to cave on controlling our borders. They should be repeated every time the issue comes up.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 3:50:59 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Steelfish
How do we re-educate them to the real Republican values, when we don't have any control over the media? If a way can be found past the Democrat propaganda media, we have a chance. Strategy, folks! We can win, if we work smarter!
9 posted on 11/09/2012 3:52:34 PM PST by Missouri gal
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To: Steelfish

There is a large number of bi-national families who live in Mexico near the U.S. border. They have U.S. and Mexican citizenship. They come across the border to give birth and collect welfare and go home to Mexico. There must be hundreds of them all claiming to live at the same U.S. address. You should see the parking lot of the county welfare office in Chula Vista. The parking lot is full of cars with Baja California licence plates. These people consider themselves to be Mexican. The only reason they want U.S. citizenship is to get the freebies. Period.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 4:01:19 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Missouri gal
How do we re-educate them to the real Republican values, when we don't have any control over the media? If a way can be found past the Democrat propaganda media, we have a chance. Strategy, folks! We can win, if we work smarter!

First step might be to have a nominee that reflects conservative values?

11 posted on 11/09/2012 4:01:25 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Missouri gal
How do we re-educate them to the real Republican values, when we don't have any control over the media? If a way can be found past the Democrat propaganda media, we have a chance. Strategy, folks! We can win, if we work smarter!

It's been done here in southern New Mexico. I've posted the below on a couple of threads. It will amaze readers who haven't seen it:

In New Mexico, Congressional district 2 occupies the southern half of the state. The boundary is a slightly WNW-ESE line south of the I-40 corridor (south of Gallup, ABQ, Santa Rosa, Clovis). Republican registration is 34%. The area includes lots of Latino voters, the oil and gas fields, Mexican border counties and rural ranchers.

Tea-party conservative Steve Pearce won re-election with 59.2% of the vote not only in the oil patch but in most counties too (The Democratic candidate was Evelyn Madrid Erhard). I'm not sure of his secret (besides hard work) but the GOPe needs to emulate this for future victories.

Democratic counties and percentages:

Republican counties and percentages: One more thing -- Lea, Eddy and Chaves counties make up SE NM Oil Patch - jobs are plentiful, "help wanted" signs everywhere, and skills bring a premium salary and benefits. These folks vote to protect their jobs and are rightfully wary of what Obama will do shut down their livelihood.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 4:05:12 PM PST by CedarDave (Presstitutes: Journalists who refuse to ask hard questions and who report by omission or distortion)
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To: Steelfish

70-30 doesn’t mean “Hispanics” don’t vote Republican. I know lots that do and it’s because they share the same basic values, not the gimme crowd


13 posted on 11/09/2012 4:09:57 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: CedarDave
What's the secret? It's actually very simple, and I will leave it as an exercise for the student. You will find -- I believe -- a very similar percentage of Latinos in NM-1 as you have in NM-2. I believe you will also find that a Republican can't get elected in NM-1.

So the difference isn't one of being Latino or non-Latino, and it isn't being legal or illegal. The answer lies in what you are not showing in the map that lies in NM-1.

14 posted on 11/09/2012 4:11:50 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: forgotten man

This does not surprise me in the least. This whole hand wringing about “how do we win the hispanics” is an enormous waste of time. Personally, I am convinced and was even before this election that the ballot box has become a worthless lost cause. We have refused to secure our borders allowing people in who don’t give a flaming rat’s ass about the principles of liberty and the ideals this country was founded upon.

For the short term, my advice is to arm up and excercise one’s 2nd Ammendment rights as aggressively as possible.

Anyone who is white and unarmed in this coming society is probably as good as dead. Lock & Load.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 4:18:09 PM PST by MachIV
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To: Steelfish

OK. If a single, black mother of three living in a government apartment in Detroit had Will Smith ask her to come marry him and move into a mansion in Malibu with him, what do you think she would do? I think she’d be out the door with him in a minute. They don’t have any problem with people making a lot of money. Do they get jealous? Sure! We all do. So if it isn’t envy, then what is it?


16 posted on 11/09/2012 4:22:19 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: FredZarguna
I believe you will also find that a Republican can't get elected in NM-1.

They can though not since 2008 when Heather Wilson ran for Senate and lost in the primary to Pearce. Pearce lost in the general to Tom Udall, but came roaring back in 2010 to take the District 2 seat. Heather also lost the Senate seat in the general election last Tuesday.*

The answer lies in what you are not showing in the map that lies in NM-1.

I'm not going to speculate; what's your solution?

(*Heather lost to new US Senator, Martin Heinrich, who, with the help of the heavily Democratic and poverty-ridden area of northern NM and enviros in Santa Fe, is a radical left-wing nut job with documented ties to eco-terrorists (just as Obama has to the radical Bill Ayers). His comment on energy: "Oil and coal are fuels of the past."

http://newsnewmexico.blogspot.com/2012/09/heinrich-ties-to-eco-terrorists-well.html)

17 posted on 11/09/2012 4:26:14 PM PST by CedarDave (Presstitutes: Journalists who refuse to ask hard questions and who report by omission or distortion)
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To: blueunicorn6

“single, black mother of three living in a government apartment in Detroit had Will Smith ask her to come marry him and move into a mansion in Malibu with him”

She’d get better free sh*t!


18 posted on 11/09/2012 4:26:51 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: PGR88
in other words, Hispanics are, in general, not assimilable.
19 posted on 11/09/2012 4:26:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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I have resigned myself to the fact that my country is going down the crapper.

You are not alone. Next year, I am outta here. I am going over seas. I have had the course.

20 posted on 11/09/2012 4:28:25 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Steelfish
Republicans can't win the "latino vote" because "latinos" are NOT AMERICANS!

Wake up!

The war for America is over and we lost. We will NEVER regain the constitutional republic that was once this great nation by voting in our banana republic like elections.

It's time for Americans to consider other options.

21 posted on 11/09/2012 4:28:52 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Steelfish

Their statements on the Trayvon Martin case shows the Republican Party doesn’t want more hispanic votes. They want amnesty.

When they stand up for an hispanic defending himself against a negro instead of condemning him they’ll get more hispanic votes.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:01 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: precisionshootist

I probably should have used “Hispanic” but the point is the same


23 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:20 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Steelfish

Hispanics want to suckle at the same teet as their darker American friends. the only thing we can hope for is that they fight over the same nipple, but those who pay taxes will be bled dry before that.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:53 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: CedarDave
In a word: Albuquerque.

The problem is that rural Latinos (and those of European descent) are more likely to be hard-working, self-reliant individualists, and urban people ... aren't.

25 posted on 11/09/2012 4:31:43 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: skeeter

Another commentator pointed out that Rubio is another pipe dream. His family are of Iberian descent, thus not one of them. He is considered by the vast majority of Hispanics as white as Mitt Romney.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 4:32:25 PM PST by gusty
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To: dynachrome

Well Exactly:

There is no way we can buy Hispanic votes, Black votes, Homo votes, and baby killer votes and still be a Republican party.

If the Republicans start buying those votes——and I think the RINO’s will try, they will lose the votes they have.

Lets face it Americans have learned to give themselves money and America is going down the drain.


27 posted on 11/09/2012 4:46:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: FredZarguna
If that is the case, then the whole problem permeates across most racial, religious lines (with the exception of the black electorate at this time). A political civil war is being fought and contrary to Freeper logic it ain't North vs. South or white vs. a given minority group. It's rural vs. urban with probably the suburbanites being the current swing voters.

If this political civil war exists, which probably is the case, then I believe all is lost because the urban populations are growing faster than the rural ones. The result will be similar to Canada and Europe where urban populations just have too many numbers to be overcome by rural voters.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:03:05 PM PST by Mr Fuji
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To: FredZarguna
The problem is that rural Latinos (and those of European descent) are more likely to be hard-working, self-reliant individualists, and urban people ... aren't.

If that was the answer, NM-3 in the northern portion of the state would have shown the same results. Instead the vote in the four most Hispanic counties ranged between 79 and 83% for Obama. They have been on the government teat for so long up there nothing will draw them away from it. But part of the problem is of the liberals own making - the enviro-nazis in trendy Santa Fe (together with the Sierra Club, NRDC and the Wilderness Society nationally) have succeeded in shutting down all natural resource development in that area (not counting the San Juan county area). Mining and lumbering are dead and they provided good jobs for many whose families have lived there for hundreds of years.

Steve Pearce won or nearly tied in counties which voted Democratic for President - Examples Socorro Pearce won 56-42%, Obama 54-38%, Cibola Pearce lost 49-50% Obama 62-33%. He has a message that resonates - jobs and economic development and though SE NM has both he can point to that success as a beacon for what enterprise and business can accomplish when not hobbled by government redtape and bureaucracy.

29 posted on 11/09/2012 5:29:19 PM PST by CedarDave (Presstitutes: Journalists who refuse to ask hard questions and who report by omission or distortion)
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To: Steelfish

The problem in a nutshell: you can’t attract Hispanic voters of Mexican background by appealing to family values when most such families have family members or friends who have been deported back to Mexico.

Now, here is the mystery: Obama has deported *more* illegals than Bush, but is perceived as more friendly to illegals than Romney.

That’s a major messaging failure by Republicans.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 5:49:51 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (million)
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To: CedarDave

NM-3 is different, as you say, but that’s like saying my thesis doesn’t apply to Ann Arbor. If you know NM, then you know what a haven Sante Fe and points North are for every sort of liberal whack-job. That means Hispanics living there are likely to be dependents of various kinds, and to be encouraged in their dependency. It’s more common for that dependency class to be fostered in big cities like ABQ, but the disease isn’t exclusive to urbanity.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 6:00:16 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: muawiyah
No ONE is assimilable anymore. Based on their work ethic, entrepreneurship, education, and drive, Asians should not be an 0bama constituency. But they went in the same direction as Hispanics in this election. Even many people in this forum, as a reaction to what they're seeing, are increasingly thinking of themselves as "White" Americans.

But there are no "White" Americans, anymore than their are African-Americans or Asian-Americans. There are only Americans, or else, there no longer is an America at all.

32 posted on 11/09/2012 6:05:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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To: Steelfish
If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run...

Sorry Sally. I will never "relent" my Neanderthal views of criminals.
I will always have Neanthethal views toward rapists, robbers, muggers, bank robbers, child molesters, the list of crimes is endless.
If you are serious, start a national movement to eliminate all our immigration laws. I dare you. Think about the hero you'll be if it succeeds.

By the way, I have been a registered Democrat all my life

33 posted on 11/09/2012 6:24:17 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: dynachrome

worse than that
we lost the young cuban vote. Mom and dad come over from the biggest hellhole on earth and one generation later, they vote with the enemy.
We also lost the asian vote. Huge problem, i have no answers, but armed waiting for the first spark.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 9:42:53 PM PST by genghis
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To: Steelfish
I don't want to live in "Los Estados Unitos". The Rove-Kristol wing keeps telling us we need to accept the invaders. They are retards, plain and simple. "Latinos" voted for Obama at 70%. How will adding 10 million of them help the GOP *ever* win an election again? Amnesty = The End of the GOP. Blacks, Asians, Mexicans and Jews all vote for the Socialist/Fascist Obama regime at rates between 70% and 95%. More of any of them means more Democratic control. Whites need to wake up and vote their race, like everyone else in America. Duh. Self-hating white people who vote Democratic are saying "go ahead, discriminate against my kids in favor of those black, brown and yellow kids. I agree!

That is a deep self hatred and spiritual sickness there.

35 posted on 11/10/2012 2:55:30 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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