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Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Fox News and fools: Not fair and balanced
Bayoubuzz.com ^ | November 9, 2012 | Jeff Crouere

Posted on 11/09/2012 1:49:46 PM PST by Marketfly1

The network of the Republican Party and the conservative movement suffered a major embarrassment on election night.

For weeks prior to the election, Fox News has been giving valuable air time to pollsters and pundits who predicted a Romney “landslide.”

These projections were in stark contrast to reputable poll results that were used in other media outlets; however, Fox News viewers were led to believe that the other polls were “skewed” against Mitt Romney. It turns out Fox News was skewed toward self-promoting “experts” who were universally wrong about their predictions.

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 1:49:55 PM PST by Marketfly1
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To: Marketfly1
The network of the Republican Party and the conservative movement . . .

Which network was that?

2 posted on 11/09/2012 1:52:33 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth!)
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To: Marketfly1

Lots of liberals at FNC. Find me some conservatives for balance at any other network


3 posted on 11/09/2012 1:52:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Marketfly1

There is more and more evidence that several percent of the Obama voters were fraudulent. I don’t think it is fair to blame Rove for criminal acts that he didn’t commit.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 1:53:29 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Marketfly1

I didn’t see any polls saying “landslide”. Then again, they didn’t say “landside” in 1980 when faced with the same economy, same middle east mess cause by pro-Islamist/antisemite presidents, same sweater speech in the White House, same gas prices, same gas rationing...

Neither side drew the numbers they did in 2008 (a bunch of people don’t give a sh!t anymore).


5 posted on 11/09/2012 1:53:56 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Marketfly1

Meghan Kelly on FOX is cute but a blonde bimbo talking-head nonetheless. Her giddy behavior on election night coverage was very annoying and amateurish.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 1:55:03 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Marketfly1

I think we need all the votes counted and an analysis of what happened. I would tell this author - not so fast until we can examine voter fraud impacts. Morris’ prediction was assinine. There were plenty of guys at this site predicting landslides and I thought they were fools as well. Rove’s prediction was reasonable (280 or so) and about what I had hope for although I expected obama to win due to voter fraud.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 1:57:58 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Marketfly1

Not to defend FOX News because they suck and can’t be trusted, but the polls were in fact skewed. Folks got on the phone and told the pollsters that they associated more with the Republican party than the Democratic party and then those same folks stayed home and did not vote on election day.

Both Rasmussen and Gallup had a R+(3-5) advantage the day before the election and had the advantage actually swung back from D+8 in 2008 to R+3, it would have been a Romney landslide. When the pollsters asked who was most likely to vote, they seemed to also have misled.

Rove and Morris are despicable, but they were just quoting numbers from a lot of people who are very good at their jobs. Remember, Barone blew it the same way and he is not a GOP-e jerk.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 1:59:36 PM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To: a fool in paradise

I think a lot of people are mentally and psychologically exhausted. We are all sick of the hatred directed at us from schools, hollywood, msm, and politicians. The direct attack on common decency and values has left many shaking their heads in disbelief. It is surreal to say the least. People really are starting to give up. They are not being offered any real visions or alternatives for the future. All we hear about are economics and jobs. What good are they if we remain enslaved to the current system with no real way of bridging the divide.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 2:00:52 PM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: tentmaker

My theory is that the whole “Romneysia” thing Obama brought up, hit home with a lot of the Independents that were leaning Romney, the day Obama first used that term was when Mitt’s momentum stopped dead in it’s tracks. Plus the MSM started hyping the faux-Recovery, and then for the straw that broke the Camel’s back, Fatso stepped in and sealed Romney’s fate.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 2:03:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Marketfly1

The embarrassment we suffered was from believing Americans valued freedom. Silly us.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 2:06:22 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Marketfly1

Fox needs to fire Rove and Morris. They are incompetent has beens, an embarrassment. They need to hire someone that can craft an expansion of the base, since the base won’t come out to vote down zero.

The next candidates need to know how to work a room full of people. Edutainment. They need to generate sound clips of the good kind, not the embarrassing kind.

Reagan knew how to work a room. He knew how to stall a hostile crowd because the event was running late. He had them laughing and and applauding. He was not a manager, or particularly insightful. He hired those persons. His job was to get votes. He and Obama and Clinton were real good at that.

Qualification number one: being able to work the room, entertain while making your point. Everything else will follow.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 2:06:33 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: Marketfly1

You know what? EFF YOU. Yea, Fox News is right wing. Eat it. Nobody told you to watch it and nobody is forcing anyone to watch it.

Big old EFF YOU to these liberal morons. Im owning it. Sure, it has Whoraldo and Bob Beckel but Im down for just saying, “yep, its ours”.

Im just so done caring about how the conservative side looks anymore.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 2:07:45 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: dfwgator

Massive fraud by the takers, the media, depending on Orca which fell apart, the media...

I was in Florida last week and there were ads where Romney was saying that he wanted to create jobs, not food stamp recipient. Well, these people don’t want jobs. Free stuff is so much easier....until it runs out.

I’ve given up on FOX, Rush, Hannity, unsubscribed Dick Morris....but not Levin.

Wonder what would have happened if Romney had picked Rubio...


14 posted on 11/09/2012 2:09:32 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: cicero2k
Qualification number one: being able to work the room, entertain while making your point. Everything else will follow.

Sarah Palin!

15 posted on 11/09/2012 2:10:26 PM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: tentmaker

Well said...
This was NOT a “pie in the sky” prediction based on wished and dreams rather than reality. These “experts” with intricate analysis (much given at this site)had Romney slightly up with huge over sampling of dims...
and it looks like the numbers didn’t back up that huge dim sampling, did it?
Each swing state was lost by a slim margin, if I remember correctly, so one could entertain the idea that something is screwy with this election.
Then take in the circumstances we are living in: unemployment, gas prices, spending, etc; then look at the 2010 results then fast forward to today where nothing has changed or has gotten worse.
I think people on FR and elsewhere can be forgiven if they appear to have had unreasonable expectations and to feel this election was a fraud.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 2:11:01 PM PST by matginzac
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To: donmeaker

I agree. I don’t blame Rove at all. Also the lefty’s hate him and I generally like whatever it is they hate.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 2:11:26 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: Marketfly1

Add to that list several notable talkshow hosts who also claimed the polls were wrong.

This time, several of the major polls were hitting bull’s eyes.

It seems it was the talkers who were hoodwinking their listeners.

So, where did those talkers get their misinformation?


18 posted on 11/09/2012 2:12:27 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: cicero2k

Fox needs to hire competent pundits, period. It’s not their job to elect either party and expand the base for us conservatives.

I guess I kind of lost your point here.

if that means they hire Nate Silver and hear bad news, then so be it...

As well, I’m tired of Fair and Balanced and having to listen to the other side like Colmes, interupting and offering lame arguments.

Finnally, maybe this network should go straight news and do away with the cheerleaders, Hannity, OReilley, The Five.... I realize they get the numbers, but I”m done with Fox News Channel. They did little less than cheer-lead for the past 2 years.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 2:13:58 PM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Marketfly1

This nation is skewed towards idiocy, and there is no success in predicting sanity. Tell your Congress critters to give the Democrats everything they want, to oppose them on nothing. Let the left own it. America is theirs. Let’s see what they do with it.


20 posted on 11/09/2012 2:14:44 PM PST by pallis
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To: a fool in paradise
Neither side drew the numbers they did in 2008 (a bunch of people don’t give a sh!t anymore).

Nielson had the election night viewership down by nearly 6 million from 2008 to 2012.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 2:16:04 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Marketfly1

Lets face it. Rush was right, its hard to vote agains’t Santa Claus. Couple that with massive fraud and we have now gone way past being able to correct what ails this country at the ballot box.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 2:19:56 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: formosa

I am energized as ever.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 2:24:12 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: formosa

Another thing to consider about people tuning out of elections, news, etc. The horizon does not contain good news.

Tough times are coming (debt to DEAL with) beyond just the immediate economic state of the nation. Baby boomers going into retirement and drawing from the system. Gen Xers NOT earning what they thought they would after going to college (jobs being offshored, not being able to put in 15-20 years at one firm) and poor stock market performance (knocking out years of investment growth for retirement).

Prozac nation don’t want to confront this situation.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 2:29:08 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Fox is in an unenviable position - damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I’m on your side, cheerleading is pointless, and Hannity is worthless. But many here would likely turn off Fox News if they brought any “harsh reality” into the mix.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 2:30:15 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Marketfly1
Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Fox News and fools: Not fair and balanced
Now that is pretty hard to argue with!
In fact the only thing I see that Jeff Crouere is wrong about is; Fox News ain't no network, it is a Cable/Satellite news station. and that is just picking $hit with the chickens.
26 posted on 11/09/2012 2:31:54 PM PST by Tupelo (Republican, a national party no more.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“Lets face it. Rush was right, its hard to vote agains’t Santa Claus. Couple that with massive fraud and we have now gone way past being able to correct what ails this country at the ballot box.”

You have to fight the fight that comes your way, and sometimes you have to dramatically revise your strategy. None of the groups that voted for Obama are capable of winning elections on their own. It's time to start looking for ways to pick apart their coalition.

27 posted on 11/09/2012 2:35:22 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Chuzzlewit
I guess I kind of lost your point here.

You are correct.

I drifted from reorganizing FoxNews to the resume of the next candidate.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 2:36:33 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: Marketfly1
What I find astounding is that Romney got fewer Republican votes than McCain did in 2008, and McCain was intensely disliked by many conservatives.

What caused this to happen? Was it Romney's reputation as an opportunistic flip-flopper? Was it his strategy of "sitting on a lead" and "running out the clock" after the first debate? Was it the rancor generated by a hard-fought primary campaign? Did Romney's Mormon faith spook Christian voters? Was it a combination of all of these? Was it something else?

29 posted on 11/09/2012 2:37:05 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Aria

Well, we would certainly have won Florida.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 2:39:24 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: tentmaker

Your information related to the polls is false.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 2:40:42 PM PST by impimp
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To: Fiji Hill

Those are very good questions.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 2:41:11 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: donmeaker

I’ve been w/o power for the last twelve days. What evidence of fraud are you referring ? I’d like to research it when I can get on the net with something more than a DROID .


33 posted on 11/09/2012 2:45:50 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Aria

Nothing. Rubio isn’t our saviour.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 2:51:05 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destory the economy!)
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To: Fledermaus

We’ve just seen a huge success of racist politics - hard to imagine Rubio on our ticket wouldn’t have helped.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 2:54:57 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Was it something else?

It was allowing Obama to call him names for months without hitting back for one thing. But I still think that the moron social security / medicare recipients once again were convinced that Romney/ Ryan's plan to save medicaid / social security was gonna take away their gummint check.
The very bastard that is hastening the bankruptcy of the nation and ensuring that social security and every other welfare program is insolvent managed to convince them that Romney/Ryan were a threat to their government teat.
Can't you just love the irony?

36 posted on 11/09/2012 2:56:35 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Marketfly1

Obama lost every state that has a voter I.D. law...interesting


37 posted on 11/09/2012 3:00:17 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Fiji Hill
What caused this to happen?

Age and demographics are not on our side. Old Republicans are dying off faster than new ones are being created.

38 posted on 11/09/2012 3:04:54 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Marketfly1

I find it interesting that they keep interviewing these morons as if they have any credibility left with the people.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 3:31:00 PM PST by kempster
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
It was allowing Obama to call him names for months without hitting back for one thing. But I still think that the moron social security / medicare recipients once again were convinced that Romney/ Ryan's plan to save medicaid / social security was gonna take away their gummint check.

not a chance!!! Our senior citizens were well aware that Romney/Ryan's plan was to change S.S. and Medicare for future participants (15 or more) years in the future.

That will be done sooner or later but I hope not too far in the future, or it won't work either. There may have been a handful of seniors who believed the pathetic Obama scare tactics, but the bulk of seniors are educated in this matter and are not fooled by nonsense scare tactics.

Obama is appealing to his uneducated masses, Blacks, Hispanics, young women...and they are the ones who elected him. That fact should make you very uncomfortable but not surprised. They elected a totally unqualified, incompetent person to lead the free world....he failed miserably so they re-elected him....when you are dealing with lesser intelligences, this is the result you should expect!!!

40 posted on 11/09/2012 3:31:53 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The night following the election, we watched a tribute to celebrate Billy Graham’s 94th birthday! It was so inspiring after having been in the dumps for 24 hours. Also, a reminder that O was voted in again by a large percentage of people who claim they do not adhere to any specific faith.
Honestly, America’s issues reflect the condition of our moral fabric.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 3:34:47 PM PST by nevermorelenore
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To: Marketfly1

These people are not like us.


42 posted on 11/09/2012 3:36:06 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: smith288
You know what? EFF YOU. Yea, Fox News is right wing. Eat it. Nobody told you to watch it and nobody is forcing anyone to watch it. Big old EFF YOU to these liberal morons. Im owning it. Sure, it has Whoraldo and Bob Beckel but Im down for just saying, “yep, its ours”. Im just so done caring about how the conservative side looks anymore

Damn man, you sound like a whiney liberal. We are so far above this level that it is beneath a true conservative to fall into their low level nonsense.

I agree that it is time for us to get much more serious...where is Obama's birth certificate, selective service records, passport applications and issuance,social security NUMBERS, college applications and transcripts, method by which the child of a single mother went to Columbia and Harvard universities, has a million dollar home in Chicago, and worked as a community organizer....MIRACULOUS I SAY....pathetic

43 posted on 11/09/2012 3:48:53 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
Damn man, you sound like a whiney liberal. We are so far above this level that it is beneath a true conservative to fall into their low level nonsense.

I said nothing about not going after those things you listed. I just dont give two craps about what liberals think about Fox News. Seriously... Why should we??? Screw them.

44 posted on 11/09/2012 3:59:06 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: cicero2k

Pfffft. Fox is even now doing ads for shows with “expert analysis” by Dick Morris.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 4:06:10 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: cicero2k

Fire Rove and Morris? Steve Forbes had the same exact prediction.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 4:16:53 PM PST by Reagan_Country_USA
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To: Marketfly1

The author must not watch Fox, they also had Trippi on, a democrat who was predicting an Obama win. Larry Sabato, was saying he thought obama would win, didn’t he.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 4:49:08 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: ScottinVA
The embarrassment we suffered was from believing Americans valued freedom. Silly us.

You are right!

Blaming FOX is just stupid.

48 posted on 11/09/2012 4:51:21 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Marketfly1

Also, Fox’s own poll showed it would be a tight race. Is this author a liberal who doesn’t bother watching fox but thinks he’s an expert about the channel to write about them?
He obviously doesn’t know that there are democrats who go on fox who were predicting obama would win.


49 posted on 11/09/2012 4:52:53 PM PST by psjones (u)
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To: ScottinVA

“The embarrassment we suffered was from believing Americans valued freedom. Silly us”

—While I, too, am very disappointed with FOX I think the above statement is very true.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 4:58:01 PM PST by TracySC
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