Posted on 11/09/2012 3:21:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
"No offense meant to the honored former governor of Massachusetts. I mean, he may have been a horrible candidate, but he was a decent man. Of course, after Dukakis, Democrats determined that decency didn't win presidential elections. Massachusetts ceded to Arkansas and the rest, as they say, is history." Source
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Mitt Romney and his family are decent people - hard working Americans who love this country.
They sought and won the primary baton - tirelessly campaigned to the bitter end of the campaign.
I'll boil my post-election analysis down to this:
We need to elect a candidate that, besides running a good campaign, can articulate to the electorate all the good reasons why voting for him, will be a vote to improve their condition (and by condition, I'm not taking about unsustainable material hand-outs and a nanny-state).
Thanks for starting this thread. I agree with everything you’ve written. I have some ideas and thoughts to share and I hope they will stir some response.
I don’t think there is a perfect candidate. President Reagan became who he was by living a long time, going through a remarkable variety of experiences and having the capacity to think and communicate what he had learned.
The candidate must be someone who wants to do what must be done, who understands what makes the U.S. unique, who loves the Lord, who is courageous, who has a past that can be above or beyond scrutiny by evil forces. I don’t know if anyone can do this unless we, the supporters, can do all we can to support him or her.
For example: every single lie told about the candidate, his positions, his statements MUST be set straight — immediately. The “accusers” must be called out, they must be made to look exactly like what they are: liars who have only their own self-interest at heart.
A second thought: the only way to change the Republican party, to create a truly conservative group is to start at the grass roots. Join local republican groups, be persistent, fight to take them over. Never sit still for any kind of lie. Each person must exemplify what we want in that ideal candidate. He or she must be strong, courageous, educated and articulate.
I have so many ideas concerning these problems, but I no longer have the energy or physical health to take those ideas and make them into practical solutions.
That’s all for now.
I think you’re missing the point:
Romney was actually more conservative than most people thought.
The problems were two:
1) He’s a Mormon.
2) Most people thought he was not conservative.
Had Romney held his views as a Catholic, he would be president right now.
The problem is, he is not. Never was, and was perceived as not conservative by enough on our side to lose.
So... enough on our side did not vote.
Thus Romney lost.
All that said, we need to regroup quickly and field a real candidate for competing with Obama.
Palin. Or someone else. But soon.
One more time, with feeling. What Republican would have got more votes than Romney?... You can’t answer that so you resort to name calling. You must have picked that tactic up from Obama.....Waiting.....Waiting.....I’m still waiting for a name. I know it’s easier to point fingers than come up with answers, but I’m confident you will eventually.
Hell I was right about Romney too, but he won so I supported him anyway. If more Republicans had done that we would not have four more years of America circling the drain with Captain TY-D-BOL in charge. Blame the candidate? Blame the GOP? No I blame the voters, and I am still waiting for anyone to name someone who would have done better and explain how.
I saw a report that he got 1% more support from evangelicals than he did from Mormons.
However, you have succinctly stated the philosophy of the average ABO. Just saying.
My prediction is the GOPe will continue down this same ideological path with 5 FAILED elections to carry behind them and will still not learn a Fn thing!.
Gingrich, Cain, Huntsman, Palin
I am a big Gingrich fan but that list of names is downright laughable. I would have loved to hear Newt telling the raw truth about Obama, but in the end he would have done worse than Romney. I know that’s just my opinion, but it was shared by most of the primary voters.
Instead of sitting out elections I would prefer a third party- a Conservative Party. At least that way we would have actual numbers to show the GOP.
LOL, seriously?? Do you live in a dream world where everything is ideal and fair?
Do you not know of the power of the party elites to "rig" the system?
Yea, the voter's kept giving Stalin power too!
Any Freeper who does know that the GOP-e despises Conservatives should be ashamed.
If the GOP was serious, they would make Texas the make-or-break state, instead of Iowa and New Hampshire, let’s actually have states that actually vote for Republicans decide the nominee, what a concept!
“Hell I was right about Romney too, but he won so I supported him anyway.”
So did I, as well as did so many of the others. In the end, and thanks to the influence of the RINO GOP he was all we had between sanity, and the insanity that has infected the Democrat Party, but for all the reasons prophesied he wasn’t the one to carry the day for us. IOW we knew up front, knew he wasn’t about to make the grade for many of the electorate, but the GOPe ran him anyway.
I recall the slogan that “Romney bought, and paid for the nomination”, with promises, and contributions to campaigns for others. He wanted to be the President that his dad could not be. It was a personal thing with Romney.
You go right ahead and blame the voters all you want. They don’t care that you do. They are blaming you, and your GOPe for not giving them someone to vote for.
As far as who could have won? You first.
My Gop-E?..I am not even a registered Republican because they are not conservative enough for me. I vote in the primaries because it is allowed here. I wasn’t offered a better choice than Romney so I voted for him, but I can’t think of anyone who I believe would have done better. But I don’t need to because I am not blaming Romney for his loss. I am blaming the voters who are building a new Collective States of Amerika where the USA once stood. I am also saying this sad scenario will be repeated four years from now because all the same pissers and moaners are doing the same pissing and moaning they did four years ago. It didn’t help then and it won’t help now. You want a better, more conservative, more effective GOP? Quit all the introspection and reach out to educate the uninformed. Quit complaining to the choir and go create some new converts. These circular firing squads are really getting old. There are a lot of Freepers who worked harder to defeat Romney than they did to defeat Obama. Now they want to pound their chests and say “See I was right.” while America circles the drain under four more years of Captain TY-D-BOL.
Do you not know of the power of the party elites to “rig” the system?
That is more tin foil hat conspiracy theory than it
is truth.
Any Freeper who does know that the GOP-e despises Conservatives should be ashamed.
I am confident you said the same things four years ago.
I am just as confident you will be saying the same
things four years from now. Either help create a new
Conservative Party or get busy changing the GOP. Griping
the same old gripes hasn’t helped in the past and won’t
help in the future. I am only one person but I am working
to change minds and educate voters one by one. If I am
only able to convert 10 people in the next four years
that is 100 times better than discouraging 10 Republican
voters from going to the polls with my carping, sniping,
pessimistic, it’s all a conspiracy, attitude. Imagine if
a million people each changed 10 minds for the good
instead of demoralizing 10. Now ask yourself how many
people you motivate in a positive way.
What has happened..is that the vote corruption gradually implemented by the Communists over decades in cities to create the “modern inner-city” has been allowed to morph into the Federal elections process.
The vigorous one-on-one combat “figuratively” speaking ...to clean it up that mess is beyond the physical capacity, and perhaps cognitive comprehension, of the average suburbanite Republican voter, and may be beyond the spiritual capacity of the the more evangelically inclined.
what they fail to appreciates..is that it is a far preferable mess to deal with now than the inevitable violence coming that neglect and failure to deal with leads to.
“....But I can’t think of anyone who I believe would have done better. But I don’t need to because I am not blaming Romney for his loss....”
So you are saying the promise of money, candy, and cupcakes made by Romney to the GOPe for their influence, and the obliging GOPe providing that influence for Romney, and no other candidate, actually fighting the other candidates by placing obstacles in their paths, and allowing no support at all for any of them in the primary had nothing to do with Romney’s ascension to be the nominee, and you simply went along with the game, and now that your guy lost it’s the voters fault, because they are a headstrong lot Hell bent on turning this country into a Collective States of Amerika. That’s how your post read to me.
The GOPe, and their guy Romney didn’t persuade those voters of Amerika. The other side did. The voters didn’t do it themselves. Who failed!? The GOPe, and Romney failed. End of discussion IMO. They failed, and deserve the credit for it.
We the Conservatives did what we could by talking to, keeping informed as many as we could as individuals that Romney wasn’t the best, but better than Obama. We did our best, but Romney, and the GOPe failed to back us up.
We mostly agree.
The point I wanted to make is that “RINO” has become the default insult and in-your-face tool — it is intellectually lazy.
Let’s improve our language skills, debate and sharpen our arguments.
There is so much coarseness bleeding into our society. There were times that FU (fill in the blank) could be found daily, multiple times on FR.
Joining the rabble does not invite people to take a look and listen to what we have to say or to believe we are well intended people.
It was very welcome.
Thank you.
Bump!
That is more tin foil hat conspiracy theory than it is truth.
you are so naive. It is obvious that it is rigged against Conservatives. Do you know realize that that all the early primaries are in Blue areas? The GOP would never approve of having primaries start in the South, or other Red areas.
It's not rigged?? that's laughable.
You are a great tool for the GOP-e. Thanks for the laugh though.
Way to go guys. Just keep up the good work. It has worked so well for you the last two times. Can’t wait for your positive comments and encouraging words in 2016. Keep on demoralizing yourself and everyone within earshot with half baked theories and excuses, and the next guy will probably get 3 million votes fewer than Romney got.
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