Skip to comments.Vanity: It's Not the Message, It's the Messenger
Posted on 11/09/2012 3:21:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
"No offense meant to the honored former governor of Massachusetts. I mean, he may have been a horrible candidate, but he was a decent man. Of course, after Dukakis, Democrats determined that decency didn't win presidential elections. Massachusetts ceded to Arkansas and the rest, as they say, is history." Source
Mitt Romney and his family are decent people - hard working Americans who love this country.
They sought and won the primary baton - tirelessly campaigned to the bitter end of the campaign.
I'll boil my post-election analysis down to this:
We need to elect a candidate that, besides running a good campaign, can articulate to the electorate all the good reasons why voting for him, will be a vote to improve their condition (and by condition, I'm not taking about unsustainable material hand-outs and a nanny-state).
The missing votes? Caulk them up in large part to missing enthusiasm for the candidate.
This was a "turn-out" election and there were not enough "jazzed-up" voters. Voting against the policies of one candidate will not rally enough to win. Too many will never be educated about what was, what is and what is in store for them.
"If something can't go on for ever, it won't." Herbert Stein
We are on the trajectory for economic collapse. Dictatorial rule will follow unless there is (and we can identify) a candidate, who will not only lead the GOP faithful but can touch and ignite the now flickering light of freedom and liberty fading from humanity and civilized societies - rally Americans (and the world) from their decline.
And let's try not to undercut each other at every opportunity.
Dole - rino - lost
McCain - rino - lost
Romney - rino - lost
So what does this tell you? I mean for goodness sakes if the stupid party can't figure it out by now they never will!
Well, I think many people predicted during the primaries that merely running a stopgap candidate on the crux of “Hey I’m not Barack Obama” wasn’t going to be an electorally viable strategy.
Someone who can communicate a real vision would’ve helped tremendously I think, which is why I went for Newtthough I dunno, the media may’ve made mince meat of him regardless of his strength at fighting them.
There aren’t any real political leaders left on the GOP side at this point IMO. The history and the experience it takes to forge such individuals just isn’t there.
I’ll go even further
Dole - rino - pretended to be conservative - lost
Bush - rino - genuine about what he thought and believed - won
McCain - rino - pretended to be conservative - lost
Romney - rino - pretended to be conservative - lost
I didn't throw him in because he actually was reeclected Ah, but you see even though Bush was genuine, he didn't really "win" he was more selected. But I get your point!
I’ll agree with your implication. Let’s face it the GOP fought us (the Conservative base) to run their RINO.
He/She that says it ain’t the GOP, and I’ll add the ‘e’ are not awake yet. I repeat THE GOP-e FOUGHT their base to run Romney, and then flipped the wee birdie to their base throughout the campaign, as well used the name of their base in vain as they did so.
In their lust to hold on to their prestigeous trappings they seemingly are sacrificing their purpose.
I was just trying to make the point that He didn’t pretend to be something He is not. And people respected him for it. The libs hated that guy with a passion. Yet he was still elected. B/c he was honest. He was wrong fiscally, but he was honest and people respected that. The other 3 people tried to be something they were not and it showed.
Yep. Many "republicans" say they see the demographics changing and we have to change with it. BS! Conservatism wins because of the values and principles it forwards. I actually bought into the ABO meme, because I really thought my dog catcher could beat Obama! Well, I was wrong.
After looking at the CLEAR, undeniable evidence of rino's losing national elections, I should have fought harder for a conservative. On Wednesday I changed my party affiliation, I'm just a conservative now without a home. I am more content to LOSE with a conservative, than try to win with a rino.
The GOP/RNC and the republican party can all GFT!
caulk = chalk [but then you knew that....]
Yes, we need that articulate candidate who can explain conservatism to the masses. But I’m afraid that is a very rare gift. In the past thirty or forty years I think we have had exacty two who could really do that: Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich. And Newt’s effectiveness was diminished by other characteristics. So, we’ve actually had one who was the total package.
Maybe there is one out there, but I don’t know who at present.
And the Bushes rode Reagan’s coattails to a national prominence they could never have achieved on their own, and they mostly frittered away a great deal of what he had built up as a conservative and as a Republican.
Right. I totally agree. The GOPe don't care about the conservative faction of the party. I would have never said this before, but it's time to stop fighting the GOPe, tell them to GFT, and form a conservative party.
Those people who handily warned us years ago about the republican party were right. The republican party are losers right now!
We need someone with coattails -[enough with the labeling].
We need the Senate, the House, the White House. WE need to keep turning states Red -- so Red, that we have candidates to spare to represent us on Capital Hill.
We need another "actor" like Reagan who understands people and can take the message of freedom vs oppressive government to every nook and cranny.
We need a team, united under a banner of Freedom and Liberty.
I am of the opinion that we need to refine our notion of conservatism. I am a social conservative, but it appears that so-called “women’s rights” issues have been defined and accepted by so many Americans that they cannot remain in the foreground of what a conservative “looks like.” Smaller government, strong defense, personal responsibility and faith should be the hallmarks.
That is exactly why I was for Cain, and then Newt.
Both have shown an ability to communicate their message despite the MSM, and to effectively challenge the MSM.
We cannot have future national candidates that cannot do this. Reagan did it *very* effectively.
“We need someone with coattails -[enough with the labeling].”
Then we need someone tall enough to wear the length we need.
What’s with the “enough of the labeling”? You don’t want to call it like it is. You want to pussyfoot around the deceit, and call it something else? What would you call it? What would you call them? The GOP fought the long established base of the party to get what the leaders of the party want versus the people that support the party, and not the first time. That is an obvious clue as to where the leadership of the GOP has taken the party. Well to the Left of the base, thus as Conservatives have always been the base of the Republican Party they, the leadership are therefore RINO’s. Do you wish to dispute that?
“We need a team, united under a banner of Freedom and Liberty.”
Agree, but with the perspective of the leadership of the GOP today it hasn’t, and isn’t going to happen. We must get the party back to Conservative perspective so we can rebuild the machine to a fighting, winning machine instead of a go nowhere treadmill.
All this mind numbing analysis and GOP navel gazing is getting old fast. No. It got old fast. I am still waiting for the pundit or Freeper to say “See, I told you we should have nominated X.”, and then explain how candidate X would have done better than Romney. Identifying problems without offering solutions is so simple anyone can do it. Blaming the candidate without offering an alternative is equally simple, and equally pointless. And the GOP did not give us candidate Romney; the voters did.
My favorite is Demint but I don’t think he has the charisma factor and I think he’s a little shy.
Rand Paul, I think he is pretty good but I am still not certain that he doesn’t carbon his father. If he doesn’t carbon, I think he is a good bet.
Everybody screams Rubio but something about that man sets my brake on trust. He’s pretty and everything you think you want but I just don’t trust him.
Jindal is pretty awesome but he needs polish.
That’s my list.
“And the GOP did not give us candidate Romney; the voters did”
You are saying the GOP did not apply their influence to defeat the other candidates, and to boost Romney over the other candidates? You’re quite wrong. Romney was the only one supported by the GOP leadership, thus the funding of the RNC from the beginning.
The topic is the GOP, and their trend as losers in the most important days of our land.
Jim Robinson was right, I was right, and so many others were right about Romney.
Due to weather conditions I have one “H” of a time staying online, and I’m getting tired of redialing here only to get 12.0 kb’s, and lose my connection again, and again, so I’m outta here until the old telephone lines in this rural area neglected by AT&T for so long dry out from the recent minor rains.
Yep, and you had Mitt basically "agreeing" with this redefinement! This is what liberals do, try to redefine culture and as conservatives we have to stop the fanciful dogma. You can NOT do this with the current GOPe. You have to have a strong conservative who understands this about liberals and is willing to fight them tooth and nail for the right values..
Ha! What an numbnutz to believes this crap! The GOPe put ALL their resources behind Romney, touted him, and gave the media a candidate they knew would be soft on Obama, not exposing his faults...
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