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I Do NOT Believe Our Country Is Trending Significantly Leftward and Here's Why (Part II)
Vocal Minority ^ | 11/8/12 | EricTheRed

Posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:27 PM PST by EricTheRed_VocalMinority

A lot of people are responding to my post here, at Free Republic, and on Facebook. Most disagree with my thesis laid out in Part I but here we go with Part II:

Colorado: Obama lost 3.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 4.8% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Colorado by a smaller margin (51.2% to 46.5%) than in '08 (53.7% to 44.7%).

Delaware: Obama lost 5.1% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 8.6% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Delaware by a smaller margin (58.6% to 40.0%) than in '08 (61.9% to 36.9%).

Illinois: Obama lost 14.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.9% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Illinois by a smaller margin (57.3% to 41.1%) than in '08 (61.9% to 36.8%). 

Indiana: Obama lost 17.0% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 5.0% more votes than McCain. This allowed Romney to take Indiana (54.3% to 43.8%) whereas Obama won it in '08 (50.0% to 49.0%). 

Iowa: Obama lost 14.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.9% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Iowa by a smaller margin (52.1% to 46.5%) than in '08 (54.2% to 44.6%). 

Michigan (with 96.5% reporting at this writing): Obama lost 13.3% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.4% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Michigan by a smaller margin (53.8% to 45.3%) than in '08 (57.4% to 41.0%). 

Missouri: Obama lost 15.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.4% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Illinois by a smaller margin (53.9% to 44.3%) than in '08 (49.4% to 49.3%). 

Nevada:  Obama lost 0.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 12.0% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Nevada by a smaller margin (52.3% to 45.7%) than in '08 (55.1% to 42.7%). 

Virginia: Obama lost 0.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 12.0% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Virginia by a smaller margin (50.8% to 47.8%) than in '08 (52.7% to 46.4%). 

Wisconsin: Obama lost 3.8% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 11.6% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Virginia by a smaller margin (52.8% to 46.1%) than in '08 (56.3% to 42.4%). 

I realize these figures of of little comfort since Obama won all these states except Indiana anyway, and got their electoral votes. But I still think it's important to know that even in these blue or swing states Obama lost votes while Romney gained. There's no reason, in my opinion, why four years from now when the next Democrat candidate is someone other than Obama,  the Republican candidate cannot narrow the gap even more and -- just like Indiana -- even take that state.

In all the red states, with the stange exception of Louisiana and North Carolina, Obama lost huge percentages of votes. Romney gained votes in some of those states, but, inexplicably, lost votes in others. Among the latter are Alaska, Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. If you combine the votes Romney gained in the red states and added them to the votes he lost, it's probably a wash -- and I'll admit that is a problem. 

But you might be asking, if Romney got more votes in 27 states than McCain did, then how did he end up losing 2.0 million votes nationwide? The answer lies mainly in three states: California, New York, and New Jersey. In California alone, Romney received an astounding 1.36 million fewer votes than McCain in 2008. Another 760 thousand Republican votes were lost in New York and New Jersey. (In these three states, Obama lost 3.9 million votes, so for some reason there was a huge decrease of voter turnout there.). And there you are: The 2 million missing Republican votes.

Yes, the Republicans lost. Despite all his dismal failures, Obama and his sycophantic media machine waged a successful slash-and-burn campaign. Too many protesting conservatives, liberatarians, and "constitutionalists" decided to stay home or vote third party, otherwise this election could very easily had tilted the other way. They need to get over themselves and get back.

This isn't over. I think we're still in good shape if people just freaking go to the polls next time! We also need to seriously outreach more to blacks, Hispanics, etc. It sucks because one shouldn't have to pander to perceived "victim" groups, but that's the reality of politics. Am I being Pollyanna-ish? Probably. But I'm also trying to be realistic. 

Onward.


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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

I’m sorry but until you do something about the public schools and universities, leftists will dominate.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:53 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
There is no explanation for what just happened other than that Americans had a clear choice, had plenty of opportunity to recognize that Obama is a liar and they voted for him anyway

I was SHOCKED anyone would vote for Oboma after the terrible job he's done, so I figured there must be something else that appealed to people enough to get them to overlook everything and not vote, or vote for this guy (besides the promise of free candy and kool aid).

It had to be something personal. Their personality. I discovered one very important thing. Romney talked AT people, so he didn't connect personally. It was like watching a business video.
Oboma talked TO people, so they thought he cared about them as individuals (which was a lie, but they fell for it. )

22 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:56 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

bttt


23 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:36 PM PST by petercooper
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

if you ignore how the anti white demographics trend then you are stupid

or willfully ignorant

and don’t lecture me on their difference

the problem is it is INDEED more than skin deep

were it only about skin color and hair texture and height and physical crap we could fix that easy

it is far far more than that....

and i goes back to the settling of this hemisphere and elsewhere when Europeans gained global control for the first

you want to get smart...read Camp of The Saints..and the Dems are exploiting that

that’s what this..

the non white world are for the most part The Borg

and we are the Federation...what’s left of it

they do not share our culture, values or appreciation of our history...in fact they mostly loathe it

I am simply amazed that freepers persist in being so naive

Yes we can encourage the few not on the dark side but there is no way in time to shift enough of them to matter from their cultural rot that breeds them voting as they do for the most part

the power we can get to maybe is to shift stupid whites...mainly northerners

the white youth vote actually did go our way barely...surprising

we can hope Obama brings enough cataclysm to wake up the goofy northern non religious whites

and that is a long shot

and save that Catholic canard...it means not jack


24 posted on 11/08/2012 5:56:27 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Here’s a dead horse. Go ahead. Beat it!


25 posted on 11/08/2012 5:57:28 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: concerned about politics
I get what you're saying, but I would rephrase. Because politics shouldn't be about manipulating people via your speaking style, rather it should be about educating them about what you will do, and what the foundational principles behind those intentions are.

If an electorate is in the shape you are assuming - sheep who don't control their own rational response to someone presenting something ... then you only make my point - that the electorate is beyond repair.

So here's how I would rephrase:

In an era of identity and brand politics, where the electorate wishes more to have its eyes closed than opened, Romney wasn't dishonest enough, and not a very good stage hypnotist.

26 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:39 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
Romney wasn't dishonest enough, and not a very good stage hypnotist.

OMG. That's another thing. Glad you brought that up.
In Chicago, Oboma and Ayrs were deep into the public school system. They'd go into the schools and use something called covert hypnoses to get the kids to show up for class. Covert hypnoses uses words that are agreeable to open up the mind. They open the analytical mind enough so other words, words the listener may not quite agree with, can be shoved into the subconscious mind before the analytical mind has a chance to stop it.

I bought a book on it when Oboma was running in 2008. It was written by the guy who taught Oboma how to do it.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:08 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

For the past 4 years the GOP NEVER challenged the meme (from the left and the media) that the bad economy is Bush’s fault. Allowing that narrative to take root and insulate Obama from the bad economy. Everyone knows the economy sucks its just that >50% think that it’s Bush’s fault and that Obama is doing his best to fix it. If given a little more time to clean up Bush’s mess, they believe he’ll be successful.

Just as Bush did for 8 years, the GOP has neutered itself by allowing left wing narratives to define it. Big mistake IMO.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:26 PM PST by tatown
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

The country is lost....


29 posted on 11/08/2012 6:16:09 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Here’s the thing...

Bush won two VERY close elections. The country didn’t have to move very far for McCain and Romney to lose two not very close elections.

The country has moved left, and it’s enough that I just don’t see what Republican can win.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 6:22:10 PM PST by NRPM (We have to come to terms with the fact that governments have made promises they will not keep.)
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To: ari-freedom
I’m sorry but until you do something about the public schools and universities, leftists will dominate.

You are exactly right!!! The voting public is completely ignorant of what the United States of America should be. There is no such thing as "patriotism" among the masses. When I was a kid we had to memorize and recite, "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere." In the eighties I was in Boston for a short time and walked part of the Freedom Trail. When I stood in front of the Old North Church I got goosebumps thinking of its history. A few years later, I visited Yorktown and had the same feeling. Today, It would not surprise me if 98 percent of high school kids had even heard of the Old North Church.

We need to completely take over the education system in this country.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:27 PM PST by saminfl
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To: 23 Everest

Nothing wrong with preparation for anomie. It would be inhuman not to want to protect your family.

Still, Job was right: “Should we accept good from God and not accept adversity?”

We have been so blessed in America. Whether we “deserve” to fall or not, our time of adversity is coming and we can accept it from God. He is alive, you know, and can be called on! He’s not in any way tricked by the rulers of Earth. He listens in on all their private scheming sessions.

We’ve had our share of horrors in this life, but how many were spared us by sheer grace will not be known until the Lord’s Day (so says my hunch).


32 posted on 11/08/2012 6:28:35 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Am I being Pollyanna-ish? Probably.

Yeah, I think you are. Sorry.

I'm convinced this was the very last U.S. Presidential election where conservatives could make a difference. In short order, barring unlikely gutsy resistance from the House, the 2nd Obama administration will:

Open the floodgates to immigration to the south. That means millions of "instant Democrats."

Fill all new Supreme Court openings with far-left apparatchiks. If you think the Constitution is being violated now, just wait... The Obama Supremes will make law, not interpret it. They'll have plenty of help from Obama appointments to the lower courts which will all begin to behave like the Ninth Circus.

Implement increasingly burdensome regulations on business, especially through his Commis-"czars" and the increasingly dictatorial anti-business EPA.

Put into effect his long-standing plan to fetter capital mobility (Agenda 21.) He plans to de-fund the suburbs and send their money to inner cities. California's (thankfully defeated -- this time) Proposition 31 was a sneaky attempt to launch this program. It would have created a regional "tax-base sharing" arrangement eliminating the suburbs' ability to determine their own economic status. Tax money would flow into a common regional kitty for redistribution to inner cities and "less well off" suburbs.

The second shoe to drop in this scenario is to prevent suburbanites and the companies they work for from "voting with their feet." Regulations are planned to require what amount to "exit visas" from companies that want to move elsewhere. These plans are being developed for the administration by Peter Dreier, an urban affairs advisor to the President in the 2008 campaign. He also happens to teach politics at Occidental College, Obama's alleged alma mater. He's been outspoken about the plan to "undercut freedom of [capital] movement."

Author Stanley Kurtz, writing about Dreier's plan, says: "As companies are trapped, unable to move, they and their employees will have no choice but to submit to a given city's redistributive tax-and-spending plans." He says Dreier believes that blocking the mobility of capital will succeed only at the national level. Many think the recent battle to block Boeing from opening a new plant in South Carolina was just a test run for the new program. This stuff is just the beginning -- there's much, much more to come.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 6:33:38 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: NRPM
The country has moved left, and it’s enough that I just don’t see what Republican can win.

WRONG. The tax payers have no one to represent them. When was the last time a candidate vowed to end or drastically cut back welfare to NEEDS only? Instead, they add to the goodies every time. Even the Republicans.

Why vote if no one will save you? Taxes will still go up. They always do. Regulation will be added. It always is. Freedoms will be lost. They always are. It doesn't matter to the hard working average Joe who wins. He knows he's going to get screwed anyway.

There's no one to represent the hard working American citizen anymore. We're not lost. Our government is.

34 posted on 11/08/2012 6:40:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: avenir

I can not take credit for that quote. A couple of people with much more intelligence than me said that @ 1700.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 6:44:30 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks EricTheRed_VocalMinority.

Four years from now the 14- and 15 year old pro-homo pro-abortion high school teenaged jackasses will be voting in their first presidential election. The Latino population will be larger, and thanks to the complete lack of border control and failure to woo them now, that larger Latino population will be voting for the pro-homo pro-abortion Demagogic Party candidates.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 7:36:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

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37 posted on 11/08/2012 7:37:26 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: arista

I guess the “drive by voters” did their “patriotic duty” by voting for Obama. Drive by voters don’t have to read newspapers, read the internet, watch Fox News, listen to talk radio, watch the Sunday talk shows or watch c-span. All they have to do is watch the Kardashians, Snooki, American Idol and maybe watch a couple of episodes of John Stewart if their feeling really wonkish. Then when it is time to vote and make their contribution, they can go out to the polls and vote for the pop star president.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 7:40:07 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: concerned about politics

Obama is definately a natural born actor.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 7:42:18 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: concerned about politics
Yep!

You don't have to call the Obama administration a cult to compare how it works with a cult. For them, it's all about persuasion, especially how to persuade people to do something against their own self interest.

People will actually be more reluctant to reverse a decision that caused them suffering than one that caused them no pain (depends on context.)

Once you get someone to do that once, you've set up a condition where if they say 'no' later, they experience cognitive dissonance because people need to justify former decisions - people are more concerned with being 'right' and justified than they are about making rational choices. This presidency is psych 201, chapter on persuasion and cognitive dissonance.

For people not susceptible to hypnosis (i've tried really really hard!) - which I bet includes a high percentage here - a strong analytical interface between the outside and inside world ... we just can't empathize with how it works, so we're unable to really spot it because we can't identify with it.

But you can spot it subtly by how people relate to Obama - it's not a rational relationship - rather, its a relationship that suddenly dulls the mind of even really smart people, as soon as the subject comes up. There are many levels of hypnosis - most aren't the kind where you can tell a man he's a chicken and he'll go lay an egg. It's insidious precisely because it's subtle.

It's a state less characterized by the presence of fantasy than by a reduction of the rational interface. That's the opening for suggestion.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:35 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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