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Proposed Concepts for the Constitution of the New Republic of Texas (Reconsidering Secession)
Texas: A Whole Other Country ^ | July 22, 2009 | Off Grid Blogger

Posted on 11/08/2012 4:21:10 PM PST by grumpa

The United States federal government has usurped its power under its Constitution. It has become oppressive and unresponsive to the people of America. Under both major political parties, it has lost control of its fiscal responsibilities which will irreparably harm us and our posterity. It is time that Texans free ourselves from such oppression and peacefully secede. But before doing so, we should have direction for a new Republic. This document is an outline for concepts to be incorporated in the new Constitution for the independent Republic of Texas.

(Excerpt) Read more at freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: secede; secession; texas
The result of the election is highly predictable. There will follow a catastrophic downward spiral of the economy resulting from these forces:

(1) businesses and investors of all stripes pulling back due to increased uncertainty and regulation,

(2) ObamaCare forcing layoffs especially in small business,

(3) the partisan bickering in Washington becoming magnified,

(4) the increased drag on the economy from those dependent on welfare,

(5) and the accelerating debt crisis soon pushing us off the cliff into the abyss.

As Texans our only reasonable alternative to accepting disaster is peaceful secession. Such a thing is no longer unthinkable. A free and independent Texas would witness an economic boom seldom seen in history. People would flood here for freedom. There come times in history when the longing for freedom becomes stronger than anything else.

How would it work? We Texans would assume our share of the national debt (and perhaps more as a bribe to the cash strapped U.S. government), paid in cash to the U.S. government. We would borrow the money for such a payment. The economic boom we would experience would enable us to pay off the debt.

Obama might even welcome the chance to see us go. Why? Our 34 electoral votes that always goes Republican.

The biggest objection is the potential for war. Unlike 1860, I doubt that the military would obey orders to attack their fellow soldiers, many of whom are from Texas. There is not the stomach to do such a thing as there was in the civil war.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 4:21:19 PM PST by grumpa
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To: grumpa

Never going to happen. The Feds depend on Red states like Texas to suck them dry of their wealth to subsidize California, Michigan, New York and the rest of the Blue states.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:21 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: grumpa

Well, Obama likes to think of himself as Lincoln.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:46 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: grumpa

If Texas goes...Oklahoma is coming with you.....whether u want us or not....we r coming.....lol!


4 posted on 11/08/2012 4:30:26 PM PST by yellowdoghunter
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To: yellowdoghunter

As a proud Texan, this almost hurts to say, but...we’d be more than happy to have ya! :)


5 posted on 11/08/2012 4:32:44 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: grumpa

It’s a nice dream but there are no provisions to do so.

It would be armed insurrection and as independent as Texans are it isn’t feasible.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 4:36:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: grumpa
Non starter. Texas v. White 1869. No right to sucede from Union. That’s what happens when you loose a war. This idea pops up from time to time like Barborossa, Auther, El Cid, etc. Free Texas saving everyone.
Use the SNL Dana Carvey HW Bush voice. “Not gonna happin”.
7 posted on 11/08/2012 4:36:37 PM PST by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: yellowdoghunter
You would have to. The only thing keeping Texas from falling into the Gulf is that Oklahoma sucks. ;)

Sure.. you guys in the Territory and Tennessee are welcome to join us.

/johnny

8 posted on 11/08/2012 4:38:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grumpa

Why not? Nobody to do it for us. The GOP is dead. Let D.C. eat cake.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 4:40:14 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: grumpa

I’m one Texan that will fight any secession movement with everything I’ve got. I’m sick of these people that have moved to Texas in the last 10-20 years and think they’re real Texans. It’s all your dream, buddy.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 4:43:42 PM PST by DaGman
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To: prof.h.mandingo
That’s what happens when you loose a war.

It's lose, btw, according to culinary school spelling standards..

Wars can't be fought again? Different diplomacy in different times can't work?

Talk about the 30 years war, and how stuff changed then, compared to today.

Papal edicts over borders from the 1630s don't seem to matter much today.

/johnny

11 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Shadow44
Never going to happen. The Feds depend on Red states like Texas to suck them dry of their wealth to subsidize California, Michigan, New York and the rest of the Blue states.

On average, blue states pay far more in federal taxes than they receive from the federal government, and red states receive more than they pay.

12 posted on 11/08/2012 4:52:27 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: grumpa
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13 posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:04 PM PST by Kolb (Compone Accomoda Supera)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Texas has more people on Medicaid than Iowa, Arkansas, or Mississippi have people.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:56:05 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Kolb

That is the prettiest map I ever saw...


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:59:45 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: nascarnation

It is proportional to the number of Messycans they have, which is negligible.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:20 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: freedumb2003

Do you think Marines from Texas or Oklahoma or any Big 12/SEC state is going to fire on their own people? I know two that aren’t.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 5:23:47 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: prof.h.mandingo

All you say is true. Texas has not retained the right to secede.

But, Bambi’s admin does not follow or respect the constitution. They can’t tell us what our “rights” are - We say what our “rights” are.

I think all majority red states should get together, get it done!


18 posted on 11/08/2012 5:25:01 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

All you say is true. Texas has not retained the right to secede.

But, Bambi’s admin does not follow or respect the constitution. They can’t tell us what our “rights” are - We say what our “rights” are.

I think all majority red states should get together, get it done!


19 posted on 11/08/2012 5:25:05 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: DaGman

Then you’ll just have to fight us and lots of Native Texicans who are not willing to stand much more shite from an african style gubmit.

All of us have similar love for America, FRiend, but our beloved Land of the Free and Home of the Brave has just been carjacked and she won’t be recognizable if we ever get her back after the gang strips anything of value and burns the rest.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:29:45 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: Kolb

I see some three really big problems with your map.

1. You DO NOT want Querbec
2. You do not want Ontario
3. They can have Nevada...all of it.

The UP of Michigan can become its own nation. Matter of fact, if any place was to split, that would be the place since nobody would know they were gone. Yet, I will give you a hint, The UP holds more mineral and natural wealth than nearly any place in North America. They just havent got the oil. The UP has international ports, and yes, they can be kept open year round on the Lake Michigan side. I would guess that if that were to happen, those in Northern Wisconsin would go with them.

Your map would be a site to see someday though. And I suspect it is a lot closer than many on here think.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:37:01 PM PST by crz
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To: grumpa
A free and independent Texas would witness an economic boom seldom seen in history.

If Texas does this, I will bring my 3 engineering degrees and 25+ years experience there in a heartbeat. Hey, I'm a whiskey drinking Christian with guns. ;-)

22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:13 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: grumpa

Texas will become part of Mexico once more. There is only the ability to utter bombastic statements. There is no real capacity to resist the invasion.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:10:58 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: yellowdoghunter

You could probably add Arizona as well


24 posted on 11/08/2012 6:13:06 PM PST by peter the great
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To: grumpa

It should be similar to the US Constitution.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:01 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

There is nothing that prohibits secession.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:58 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You misunderstood. I have no problem with another fight. I simply alluded to the fact that according to Texas v. White (1869). Texas cannot legally leave the Union. That's what I meant by war having consequences. I think you are trying to be funny with the diplomacy idea. You can't argue with a liberal. They are not equipped for logical expression. In fact a real liberal is mentally ill.
27 posted on 11/08/2012 7:28:41 PM PST by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: prof.h.mandingo
I wasn't trying to be funny. Most of my historical reading comes from that era, and tempers got very hot at the slightest perceived insult, in 1860.

Not so much, today. CW1 was as much about honor(face) and money as it was about anything else.

Preserve face and honor and money and warfare can be avoided.

Warfare is, after all, just a form of diplomacy.

Diplomacy is agreement. They agree to let us go. They get certain things. They don't get hundreds of thousands dead (like last time).

Carrot and stick. Arguing is for fools.

/johnny

28 posted on 11/08/2012 7:37:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
Texas cannot legally leave the Union.

I don't know where you have been hiding, but lots of what has happened here in Texas (and other places) tonight hasn't been legal, and it's been going on for years, and will.

Some folks aren't going to give a rat's pointy little tail about legal. The rule of law loses it's teeth when the lawgiver breaks the law.

/johnny

29 posted on 11/08/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Shadow44

SIGH.

Once again....New York State is NOT subsidized by the federal government. We pay out more to the feds than we receive back.

New York pays for its social programs by taxing the living shit out of every New York resident or business.

New York sucks for many reasons and there are many valid reasons to hate New York State Government and even a lot of New Yorkers.

Oh yes...we crap up the country for everyone else, no doubt about it.

But we don’t take your money.

What we do do is send vile scumbags like Chuckie Shumer, Louse Slaughter, Hillary Clinton, etc. to Washington. We also have a whole bushel basket full of electoral votes that go straight to whatever Democrat puke happens to be running for President and they don’t cost the Rat party a red cent.

At least have the courtesy to hate us for the right reasons.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 7:56:42 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

Secession is an inalienable human right.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 1:23:30 AM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: grumpa

Only citizens are eligible to vote who either (1) own property in Texas, or (2) have a high school degree and have passed a semester of each of these topics: political science, American/Texas history, economics, and logic.

I especially love this part!


32 posted on 11/09/2012 6:01:59 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Kolb

Clarke County at top of Virginia went Romney, please make us Red!


33 posted on 11/09/2012 2:36:00 PM PST by Fluffy Bunny ("This means something, this is important!" -- Roy Neary)
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To: freedumb2003

Keep in mind the military absentee ballots were not counted. How do you think this will make them feel about shooting at us? I think they’d join us...


34 posted on 11/10/2012 10:57:58 AM PST by MJpatriot
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To: KittenClaws
All you say is true. Texas has not retained the right to secede.

All you say is true. Texas has not retained the right to secede.

Whoops whoops.

35 posted on 11/11/2012 4:14:46 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Kolb

that works for me


36 posted on 11/11/2012 4:20:48 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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