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Who blew the chance to dump Obama?
WND ^ | 11.08.12 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 11/08/2012 2:15:03 AM PST by golux

(...)Rove knew better. He always knows better. He had no interest in taking the revelations of the book and using them in his ad campaigns. Instead, he ran a conventional campaign telling people what they already knew – what Obama had already done in his first four years.

In the meantime, he also went to war with conservative Republicans like Todd Akin, who, by the way, lost by a smaller margin than some of Rove’s favorites – like Connie Mack in Florida.

At the end of the day, Rove failed at every goal he had been charged with – winning the presidency and winning the Senate. He didn’t even come that close.

That’s why I think Karl Rove is the big loser.

In fact, I think he needs a new nickname. “The Architect” just doesn’t fit him.

I think he should be called “The Accountant.”

Rove has made a personal fortune by acting like a political genius on the backs of other people’s work. In 2012, the Peter Principle set in. He rose to the level of his incompetence.

How he got there is an interesting story....

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: farah; karlrove; obama; rove; wnd
Farah's thoughts are worth reading, especially (to me) his thoughts on Rove and the Virginia race.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 2:15:11 AM PST by golux
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To: golux
Rove made Gore and Kerry look like heavyweights and now he has lost to Obama.

Rove is a loser who has no understanding of passion in a political race.

2 posted on 11/08/2012 2:25:46 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: golux

I’m not particularly a Rove fan because of his treatment of Tom Tancredo throughout the Bush years, but specifically for his treatment of Tancredo during the 2010 governor’s race out here. I did see Rove speak in Denver before the election. Jon Voight was going to be one of three speakers including Hugh Hewitt (another Tancredo hater) and Mike Gallagher, but he couldn’t make it for some reason. I did enjoy the event, which was mainly the other two asking Rove questions. I softened a little on Rove as he gave me some hope that Obama’s terror was coming to an end, but still not really a fan. Thanks for posting the link.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 2:25:54 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: golux

Rove! You Miserable Bastard!....


4 posted on 11/08/2012 2:31:05 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: golux

There are not enough Republicans to out-vote Democrats. We may be able to win midterms, since Dummies are lazy and most don’t know the difference between Senate and Congress, but for coming Presidential elections, we’re toast.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 2:33:37 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: golux

Agree ! Rove gave us George Bush - the liberal who destroyed the conservative image and he has been working very hard ever since to make sure to marginalize any true conservative who makes a run at any office. While the Dems circle the wagons around their candidates - no matter how outrageous - Rove is the first to throw a conservative under the bus and he does it loud and long so that the press can quote him. Far from being an asset, he is dragging the party to the left.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 2:51:56 AM PST by onevoter
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To: golux

Turdblossom


7 posted on 11/08/2012 3:00:59 AM PST by MachIV
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To: golux
@realDonaldTrump Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money.
8 posted on 11/08/2012 3:20:19 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: golux
I have no interest in circular firing squads. If you want me to place blame, I'll blame Mitch Daniels and Haley Barbour for not running in the first place.

This election was very close. There are 101 things that might have tipped the balance. FWIW, had the vote been a week earlier, or had the hurricane veered back out to sea, Romney would probably have won, about as narrowly as Obama won on election day. It's clear that Obama gained ground in the last couple of days. Dominance of the news cycle thanks to the storm was probably enough to do the job.

Focusing on the nominee won't do us any good now. Four years from now, we will have a different group of candidates running in a different policy and economic environment. We will reinvent all the arguments about who is the best standard bearer. Conservative purity vs. appeal to the moderates is an irrepressible, ongoing issue, and we ain't gonna solve it now.

Two lessons need to be driven home to any Republicans who don't yet understand. First, the MSM is a more dangerous enemy than the democrats. There's no question in my mind that Romney would have won easily with a balanced press.

Secondly, the democrats are no longer a civic party. Obama's campaign was based from day one on character assassination and lies, and the dems rallied to it out of a sense of resentment and identity politics. We are dealing with a very toxic, utterly cynical, and systematically dishonest opposition.

I think most people here understand that and I don't want to just vent. But we need to push our candidates and office holders into fighting back. Obama was largely insulated from personal criticism because of sensitivity about race. That can't happen again. We are going to have to become much more aggressive about calling out the liars. If it gets ugly, it gets ugly.

9 posted on 11/08/2012 3:29:29 AM PST by sphinx
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To: golux
I have no interest in circular firing squads. If you want me to place blame, I'll blame Mitch Daniels and Haley Barbour for not running in the first place.

This election was very close. There are 101 things that might have tipped the balance. FWIW, had the vote been a week earlier, or had the hurricane veered back out to sea, Romney would probably have won, about as narrowly as Obama won on election day. It's clear that Obama gained ground in the last couple of days. Dominance of the news cycle thanks to the storm was probably enough to do the job.

Focusing on the nominee won't do us any good now. Four years from now, we will have a different group of candidates running in a different policy and economic environment. We will reinvent all the arguments about who is the best standard bearer. Conservative purity vs. appeal to the moderates is an irrepressible, ongoing issue, and we ain't gonna solve it now.

Two lessons need to be driven home to any Republicans who don't yet understand. First, the MSM is a more dangerous enemy than the democrats. There's no question in my mind that Romney would have won easily with a balanced press.

Secondly, the democrats are no longer a civic party. Obama's campaign was based from day one on character assassination and lies, and the dems rallied to it out of a sense of resentment and identity politics. We are dealing with a very toxic, utterly cynical, and systematically dishonest opposition.

I think most people here understand that and I don't want to just vent. But we need to push our candidates and office holders into fighting back. Obama was largely insulated from personal criticism because of sensitivity about race. That can't happen again. We are going to have to become much more aggressive about calling out the liars. If it gets ugly, it gets ugly.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 3:29:50 AM PST by sphinx
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To: golux; All

All of you folks are missing the point about Rove.

Rove is Bush’s man. With Florida this close, you have to realize that they’re going to position JEB Bush as the person that we need to unite the party. The Party was not supposed to be turned over to Romney people nor Tea Party folks.

That is Rove’s mission.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 3:39:18 AM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: golux

I have not yet concluded that this election was stolen. I didn’t think much about it yesterday but now that the dust is clear something smells very fishy.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 3:57:22 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: golux

correction:

I have not yet concluded that this election was NOT stolen. I didn’t think much about it yesterday but now that the dust is clear something smells very fishy.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 3:58:10 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: golux

The GOP with their worthless liberal Republicans.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:01:58 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: bmwcyle

Newt Gingrich,Rick Santorum, Rich Perry, Ron Paul or Michele Bachman.
These are the people who forced a divisive primary that cost Romney precious time and money that ultimately cost the Republicans the election.
As long as the Republican candidates waste their time on social issues such as abortion and gay rights they will continue to lose national elections.
If they focus on fiscal matters, smaller and less intrusive government and a strong defense they will unite the country and have a winning formula.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:06:51 AM PST by ozdragon
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To: bmwcyle

Newt Gingrich,Rick Santorum, Rich Perry, Ron Paul or Michele Bachman.
These are the people who forced a divisive primary that cost Romney precious time and money that ultimately cost the Republicans the election.
As long as the Republican candidates waste their time on social issues such as abortion and gay rights they will continue to lose national elections.
If they focus on fiscal matters, smaller and less intrusive government and a strong defense they will unite the country and have a winning formula.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:06:51 AM PST by ozdragon
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To: golux

Te fix was already in. Rove was in on it.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:15 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: golux

blsme the idiots who didn’t show up to vote. Maybe they were brainwashed ny Nate Silver.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:21 AM PST by Homer1
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To: sphinx
the MSM is a more dangerous enemy than the democrats. There's no question in my mind that Romney would have won easily with a balanced press.

Agree 100%. Rather than spend countless millions on super PACs, big-money conservatives would do well to purchase some of the foundering TV outlets, newspapers, newsmagazines and the like, and use them in the same way that the libs have been doing.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 4:15:04 AM PST by Salvey
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To: golux

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by the commentators on Fox election night..made me realize..what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 4:16:46 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: ozdragon

Romney ran a nice guy campaign ignoring whole sections of the electorate...we need a conservative that can make conservative values sexy to the twitter millenials and latinos ...after they suffer economically for another four years they will come to their senses....Obama owns the economy lock, stock and barrel now and if past performance is any indication of future results he should screw it up loyally for a real conservative to rise up and fix it.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 4:17:47 AM PST by databoss
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To: sphinx

Nice job.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:25 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: sphinx
First, the MSM is a more dangerous enemy than the democrats. There's no question in my mind that Romney would have won easily with a balanced press.

With a balanced press Clinton-Gore--Kerry and Obama wouldn't have gotten a wiff of being president and the democrats would have been relegated to minority status long ago

In addition they marginalize real conservative GOP types and foister Rinos on us

Dumb asses in the MSM think nothing that is coming will affect them

They are compliant with nations falling to communism like Cuba-- China-- Vietnam and African countries regressing to tribal crap holes and now they are leading our own country to the same end
23 posted on 11/08/2012 4:19:45 AM PST by uncbob
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To: golux

We weren’t paying attention to the early voting fraud.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:40 AM PST by jersey117
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To: ozdragon
As long as the Republican candidates waste their time on social issues such as abortion and gay rights they will continue to lose national elections. If they focus on fiscal matters, smaller and less intrusive government and a strong defense they will unite the country and have a winning formula.

If you don't think the social fabric of the country is entwined with its economic and foreign policy direction you are not seeing the overall problem

Same left wingers are leading the charge in ALL three areas
25 posted on 11/08/2012 4:25:37 AM PST by uncbob
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To: golux

Did Rove run any mention of the fact that once it’s clear Obamacare can’t be repealed because the Senate will be controlled by the demo-coms .Obama Taxes for Obamacare will begin at the stroke of 12 am 2013 and there won’t be any chance to modify them...

Any guy who advises his boss not respond to phoney charges which became a major issue is a POS.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 4:29:57 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: EnquiringMind

The trick is to turn your state house into a bastion of Republican/Conservatives. Relief from FedGov oppression will start at the state level. We have to fall back to the state level and then start nulifying. Governors need to be important again.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 4:39:08 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: golux

I was thinking of another name that begins with “A”.

He is the Biggest Loser—the GOP needs to dump him.

I can’t get to the remote fast enough when he comes on the TV.

We won in 2000 by 535 votes after six weeks of legal contests.

We won in 2004 because we won in one state, Ohio, by 12,000 votes.

Heck of a job, there, BrownNose!

Take the whiteboard and stick it where the sun don’t shine!


28 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:15 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: golux

Rove the conservative BACKSTABBER made an estimated
50 to 100 million dollars on this election.
Like Romney, a profit was made — as they screwed America.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:15 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: golux

I don’t know if it was Rove that killed Romney.

But if Rove had anything to do with the strategy to contest 23 D Senate seats while protecting only 10 R seats, with this result, he should never be allowed near a strategy meeting again.

I’ve been very very depressed over Romney’s loss, even though it’s my own stupid fault for believing that Romney was something he clearly was not.

In fact, I’ve been SO depressed that I haven’t even paid attention to the Senate catastrophe, which is much, MUCH worse, first because it’s for six years, second because it was so promising, and third because it shows, in a cross-sectional, national way how badly f***ed up the GOP strategy/recruitment/organization functions really are.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:49 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: ozdragon

BULL S&$T


31 posted on 11/08/2012 5:05:56 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: tsowellfan

Yes... This one really doesn’t make sense. What I don’t understand is how all of Obama’s events drew tiny handfuls of yawners whereas Romney’s drew swarms of wildly enthusiastic citizens. It just doesn’t seem to make sense.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 5:07:12 AM PST by golux
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To: golux

I agree with you 100%. And I am NOT one of those who participated in pulling apart polling data and discrediting it. I took the polls at face value and told everyone we should keep fighting like we are 10 behind.

Not that they were wrong to not believe the polls. My point is, I was not skeptical enough to say “don’t believe the polls” even though I know that they’ve been known to skew them in the past.

That said, I am skeptical about these results for the reasons I have stated, the ones you just stated and from what others have said as well.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 5:12:06 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Jim Noble

We really cannot be sure it was not stolen.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:55 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: sphinx

Magnificent and dead on.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 5:24:46 AM PST by alrea
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To: databoss
Romney ran a nice guy campaign ignoring whole sections of the electorate...

Bingo! And who was first on his list to ignore? The Tea Party. He excluded the Tea Party from his convention. He did nothing to bring Sarah Palin in to support him. He did nothing to bring Ron Paul supporters, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum or Cain in or their supporters. They all outpolled Romney at some point in the campaign.

Gone. Missing. Ignored.

Then we have the number one problem of the establishment Republicans and elected Republicans ..... cowardice. Romney had no fear going after Gingrich and Santorum, but was afraid (cowardly) to attack Obama. He left all his best arguments on the floor and replaced those with vacuous comments of 12 million jobs and turning the country around. Well, a majority of voters, admittedly bamboozled by the media, thought the economy was improving. What was Plan B?

Zip, zero, nada. The GOP has to be gutted and rebuilt on constitutional conservativism, out to attack the special insterests, cronyism, lavish government.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 5:39:58 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: sphinx

“I have no interest in circular firing squads.”

Then you should not support Karl Rove. He is king of the circular firing squad.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:41 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("You're doing a whale of a job there, Christie.")
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I support candidates and causes, not consultants.

If I find myself in the same camp with Karl Rove next time around, fine. If not, fine. I’m not going to lose sleep over who hires Karl Rove next time around, or who chooses to take (or not) his advice. He is a hired gun. No point in turning him into a boogeyman.

If Rove ended up working for your preferred candidate four years from now, would you abandon ship?


38 posted on 11/08/2012 7:11:28 AM PST by sphinx
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To: sphinx

No, and I see your point. I too support candidates and causes, not consultants.

I just wish that blowhard would go away, he is useless.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:21 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("You're doing a whale of a job there, Christie.")
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