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GOP Voter Apathy Cost Romney: Would have won with McCain's vote total
Hubinion.com ^ | 11/7/2012 | Hubinion

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:24 AM PST by jilliane

4. With overall voter turnout down, shockingly Romney got 2 million less votes than McCain! If Romney got as many votes as McCain, 59.6 million, he could have won.

The story of this election is voter turnout!


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GOP didn't capitalize on 10 million less votes for Obama in 2012. What happened to the GOP turnout?
1 posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:30 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane
What happened to the GOP turnout?

Precisely what we feared when Romney was the nominee, they stayed home in droves.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 7:47:49 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jilliane

I’m sorry....our candidate could have been Mickey Mouse, and any GOP voter who would not have shown up to vote for him over Obama either does not care about the country or needs to have their head examined.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 7:48:33 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jilliane

Romney lost Florida by 25,000 votes.

Unimaginable.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 7:48:33 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: jilliane

Liberal Republican vs Liberal Democrat = Democrat winning. Everytime.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 7:48:54 AM PST by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot.....)
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To: jilliane
What happened to the GOP turnout?

We peaked. Face it, we are becoming the minority.

6 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:01 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: jilliane

there are a lot more votes to be counted, so need to wait until all of those are counted, but yeah, GOP turnout was down. I believe the evangelicals stayed home by about 7% according to something I heard, probably due to mormonism.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:28 AM PST by wastedpotential (No witty taglines now - in mourning for the death of the America I once knew)
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To: jilliane

“What happened to the GOP turnout?”

I guess that “Massachusetts Moderate” thing didn’t sell.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:37 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: wastedpotential

“I believe the evangelicals stayed home by about 7% according to something I heard, probably due to mormonism.”

Yeah. That is why Obama carried the Bible Belt so handily.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 7:52:13 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: jilliane

Free shit trumps Liberty every time.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 7:52:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jilliane
We tried to tell everyone when Romney was nominated that this would happen and we were shouted down. Well, it happened. So the GOPe got exactly what they wanted and they had a few months of feeling "superior" to the rest of us. Now we're stuck.

I got so sick of hearing people jump on us, we were never the probelm, we voted for the creep, but the rest of the country that doesn't live and die politics were sickened by him. Rove and his co-horts need to be run out of town on a rail and we all need to stop watching FOXNews.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:19 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: jilliane
GOP didn't capitalize on 10 million less votes for Obama in 2012. What happened to the GOP turnout?

As per a June 21st UPI poll, ten percent of Republicans indicated they would not vote for a Mormon. Romney only lost by 1% of the vote. Do the math.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:31 AM PST by Joseph Harrolds
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To: jilliane
Did you realize that Obama, not just Romney, got fewer votes than McCain in 2008?

So who stayed home?

Let's look at this rationally. The Democrats went down 10 mil. They do that again, the Republican need only achieve what McCain achieved and they have a landslide on their hands!

I'd suggest Sarah Palin might turn cartwheels.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 7:54:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jilliane

Sadly, it looks like a lot of Republicans are now sitting home with Obama as their prez for the next four years, but at least their “spotless” voting record is intact. Better to sit home than vote for a less-than-perfect candidate doncha know. They sure showed us. They taught us a lesson, didn’t they. Yeah, well get ready, they’re going to be taught a lesson as well.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 7:54:24 AM PST by mancini
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To: jilliane

All day long, I heard (and saw personally once) about the massive turnout in Ohio’s suburbs.

It doesn’t make sense.

I wonder if my vote was even counted?


15 posted on 11/07/2012 7:55:22 AM PST by Clarence
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To: mancini

Can’t wait until Iran rolls out that first nuke, America’s credit rating hits C-, and the first EBT cards start to show a zero balance.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 7:56:48 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: muawiyah

She should have run then. It is her fault that she did not run for President not anyone else’s.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 7:57:19 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: jilliane

That’s what happens when you have 2 candidates that lots of people do not want to be president.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 7:57:24 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: dfwgator

For all of you who stayed at home, for whatever reason, are you happy with the result? Do you think McCain was a better candidate than Romney? Was McCain more “principled”? Did he have a better resume? Did you stay home because Romney wasn’t “conservative” enough? Do you think Romney is “less Conservative” than McCain? Did you stay home because Gov. Romney is a Mormon? Whatever the reason, WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT! Simply, you turned down an opportunity to vote for a good man, with principles and a solid grasp of the economy. A “leader” with the working knowledge of how to delegate authority. Was Gov. Romney my first choice? Far from it, but for those who stayed home.....YOU BLEW IT! THE CHOICE WAS CLEAR! IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CHOICE YOU WANTED TO MAKE, BUT BY NOT PARTICIPATING. YOU LET THE COUNTRY DOWN.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 7:58:01 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: Clarence

>>I wonder if my vote was even counted?

Yes, and then it was edited.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 7:58:12 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: jilliane
Sorry, this is a false narrative and avoids the Electoral vote totals:

State - McCain '08 - Obama '12
NH - 317k - 355K
WI - 1,262K - 1,600K
FL - 4,046K - 4,129K
PA - 2,656K - 2,894K

Yes, some he may have picked up: IA, Ohio probably others.

This is not a complete list, but illistrates the point. No way Romney can win, if he does not take Florida.

BTW: Ohio is 2,674K vs. 2,672K, that is a .07% difference.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:04 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama Lied, Stevens died.)
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To: jilliane

Long time experienced political operators, common joe voters, all claiming that that the turnout was the biggest they had ever seen and yet the numbers were down.

WERE THEY ALL JUST IMAGINING THAT?

Something just does not smell right!!!


22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:04 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: jilliane

Not quite, there are still millions of uncounted votes (mail ballots) in CA, WA and OR, also provisionals in other states.

At the end, it will be Obama 62.5 mil, Romney 59.5 mil or close to that. Still, this is under McCain’s 60 million votes, or W’s 62 mil in 2004.

Demographically (starting with W’s numbers), there were 66-67 million GOP votes available for Romney. He did not get the base to the polls, and he should be judged as the weakest GOP candidate in recent memory (weaker than McCain, who actually performed admirably in hopeless conditions).


23 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:16 AM PST by ubaldus
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Will head doctors be covered under obamacare?


24 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:18 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: cumbo78

Don’t blame me, I voted for Romney. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was a poor candidate, like McLame.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dragonblustar

When I talk to Democrats, the majority are just like us, but they identify with Democrats because the republican’s have been painted as anti anti anti anti and not for anything.

Democrats offer free stuff, till this country hits the wall, we are on a course to watch this continue.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:53 AM PST by dila813
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Romney did what he needed to do. The GOP party is organized by a bunch of old country club farts planning elections over martinis. Been the problem with the GOP for years. They fight the Republican base and are inept at running campaigns.

See if the GOP House gets a spine....NOT.

All GOP convictions go out the door the day after the election. They will move left or sit on their hands in effort to hang onto their seats and declining power base.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:04 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: bella1

Maybe. I saw it as follows:

Socialist RINO versus Communist Democrat = Continued expansion of the Federal Welfare Entitlement Plantation.

IOW, whoever won, we would still be working for “The Man” in the “Big (White) House” at 1600 Plantation Avenue.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:04 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: jilliane
There were no lack of lines at many polling places.
I would not be surprised if several (R) votes were thrown in the trash or were somehow "replaced".
But yes, once again the media picked a weak candidate for us.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:40 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: rarestia
Romney lost Florida by 25,000 votes.

And Virginia by 100K.

So much for Scott Rasmussen's "data" that showed a 5.8% party ID advantage for the GOP.

This cycle, pundits were full of more sh*t than a Christmas goose.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 8:01:04 AM PST by ScottinVA (Pray hard!)
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To: AmericaUnited

>> Long time experienced political operators, common joe voters, all claiming that that the turnout was the biggest they had ever seen and yet the numbers were down. WERE THEY ALL JUST IMAGINING THAT?

Yes, there were imagining that. People see what they want to see, especially the political operators, who are paid to spin and pretend. The Dems saw the great signs in 2004, the GOP was spinning in 2012.

Perhaps Kerry-Romney can run a join loser ticket in 2016? But who is on the top of the ticket, and who is on the bottom?


31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:06 AM PST by ubaldus
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To: jilliane

Sorry to say this, but Republicans who did not show up to vote have to shoulder some of the blame of Obama getting re-elected.

Sitting around like bullheaded fools with a “I’ll show them” attitude and not voting for Romney. As a result, due to less turnout, their non vote was a default vote for obama. Sorry, but it really does come down to the math. Which is why they do the counts.

Just as with them not showing up for McCain, the only point they proved is they were too foolish to have even the slightest bit of foresight and see how bad obama hurts this nation.

Sorry, but I love my country too much. Romney was the only option to protect my nation from obama in the general election.

Also, all the tea party guys we got into the House in 2010. They have not been the conservatives they claimed to be (mainly by sticking Tea Party on a sign and having folks follow them like blind sheep). But they are still better than the alternative. So not voting for someone who may not be a tea party person, when the other option is obama, shows an inability to see the big picture.

People can flame me all they want, but last night proves me right. At some point people need to use some common sense.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:23 AM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: rarestia

GOP dropped the ball. Need to invest in ground game. Early voting has radically changed elections in America.

We are running TV blast the masses campaigns and we need to laser focus on our hip pocket voters.

Those margins were all doable. RNC dropped the ball.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:48 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Psalm 144

“Yeah. That is why Obama carried the Bible Belt so handily.”

I would beg to differ - he barely won NC, lost VA,(home of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell) and Ohio, which has a huge evangelical population in southern part of the state. I am an evangelical, and I had argued with many here in Ohio that a mormon would be better than the alternative, but many said there was “no difference.” I had hoped when Billy Graham gave his blessing that we would all turnout, but I don’t think we did.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:48 AM PST by wastedpotential (No witty taglines now - in mourning for the death of the America I once knew)
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To: ScottinVA

I don’t get Florida at all. Not at all.

The margin of victory in VA is a shock too.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 8:05:35 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: dfwgator

I wonder how many disillusioned Republicans voted Libertarian, Constitution or something else.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 8:05:45 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: jilliane

My wife and I were both unhappy (to put it mildly) with Romney. We finally voted for Romney after listening to Obama and his minions. I suspect others didn’t and just stayed home. The political fabric is irreparably torn and the progressives hold both parties. In the short term, there is no hope.

Hate of Obama prompted us to vote for Romney.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 8:06:05 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Perdogg
You sure misread that ~ probably why your boy lost so badly, but never mind. I mentioned the end totals as something to cheer Sarah in her consideration for running for President in 2016!

GOP-e and you guys would have trashed her to the point of distraction if she'd run this year.

Now that your approach to running against Democrats is totally discredited, she has an open highway ahead of her.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 8:06:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jilliane

Here is my theory.

After watching the Obamanation on the boob tube for a couple of years, watching giant spending measures, trillions added to the debt, passage of Obamacare, the downgrade of the USA, class warfare, the administration telling one lie after another with a straight face and no one calling them out, nothing but praise for the magic negro...

Many conservatives started tuning out. They started turning off their television sets and started taking their kids to the zoo, playing fetch with the dog, watching old movies, reading classic works of literature, camping, ANYTHING but watching the vomit-inducing scenes played out nightly before them on all things politic.

Those became much better alternatives than having to sadly sit and watch their country fade away or loudly curse at the talking heads.

They never tuned back in. Even when the presidential election rolled around, they paid no notice. Election day came and once civic-minded conservatives just shrugged and whistled a happy little tune as they went to work and thought about their upcoming fishing trip at the lake.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:46 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: muawiyah

My goodness. Stop worshiping her!

SHE DID NOT RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


40 posted on 11/07/2012 8:08:44 AM PST by Chong
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To: fatnotlazy

Look, Romney was not my first choice.. but our best guys like Rubio did not even enter the race..

folks, America has changed. someone said it above, we are the minority. that much is clear.

How does a leader get elected, stating “vote for me and I’ll give you less stuff”... with so many adult children in this country, that is just not going to happen.

Drive through any major city, or go to any ballgame, and take a look at the people of this country. They are all deeply effected by the culture of give me give me.. the g*d damn backwards baseball caps, hoops in their ears and noses and tattoos. And these are 35 + year olds, an age that used to be considered adult when I was a teen.

It’s arrived folks. I used to be afraid for this country, but no more, it’s too late for that.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 8:11:39 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: jilliane

Geez people the GOP got over 55 million votes, there just wasn’t enough of us and if you been paying attention you know the demographics of the country has been changing, more hispanic voters, more women voters and the same old liberal commie voters. Where were all these big mouthed independent voters that alway badmouth the GOP? They voted for Obama again. When Obama finnally has amnesty then we have to deal with all the illegals with their socialist educations leanings, women will vote democrat and most of them vote based on looks and charm not the issues. And I don’t even have to explain about blacks, that is obvious.
Stop badmouthing the GOP and accept the fact that there are not enough conservatives to elect the kind of person we want to see in office.

Hispanics will almost alway vote Democrat, There are fewer white males


42 posted on 11/07/2012 8:12:55 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: dragonblustar

What happened to the GOP turnout?
We peaked. Face it, we are becoming the minority.

And we can’t just “crap out more kids” and hope for the best because they will be indoctrinated...

People may think I am crazy but the only hope for conservatism and libertarian ideals is to be come extreme pro-life, and pro-science at the same time. What do i mean by this, well we need to embrace cloning, but with the caveat that it comes with “neural pattern copying” technology. That is the ONLY way to effectively bypass the indoctrination system that has been setup.

We clone ourselves and declare that clones have the same rights as a natural born while the clones are programmed using the neural patterns of rock ribbed small government conservative people....

Of course this tech would be avail for use by the other side....

We are doomed...

We need to start funding private moonbases, maybe Gingrich was right....

This planet is done, stick a fork in it, or a rock travelling at 25,000mph from the moon courtesy of the harsh mistress.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:13:07 AM PST by GraceG
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To: jilliane
"What happened to the GOP turnout?"

I could have sworn they were in line with me at the polling place yesterday. Normally I can vote in five minutes and be out; yesterday the place was mobbed, and I had to wait in line for an hour and a half. Talk radio was full of accounts of historic turnout in red areas.

I'm not getting it. At all.

44 posted on 11/07/2012 8:13:50 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: jilliane
The GOP got beat because it hates Conservatives and their values, it gave its base a flip-flopping Massachusetts RINO candidate whom they could not support without holding their noses.
45 posted on 11/07/2012 8:13:50 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: AmericaUnited
it's all easily explained ~ redistricting.

Some precincts were combined ~ some were divided to fit those lines just so. Not at all surprising to hear about the enlarged precincts getting more folks ~

My precinct shows a 50% voter increase over 2008. However, it's the same as it was during the 1990s during an earlier districting scheme that put my neighborhood in the evil Rep Moran's district. We were just put back into that district, so we end up with about the same number we had back then.

The precincts with fewer voters than last time aren't news ~ but they exist!

46 posted on 11/07/2012 8:14:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

GOP didn’t capitalize on 10 million less votes for O.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 8:14:21 AM PST by jilliane
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To: jilliane

This is huge mystery to me if true. I didn’t like Myth in 08 and I didn’t like him in the primaries. But I voted for him. Sitting on the sidelines while the other team is scoring b/c a candidate fails some purity test is just crazy.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 8:15:44 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Chong
She didn't run. She was smart to not run with that crowd running the party. Romney lost even in the face of a Democrat presidential election voter fall off of historic proportions.

We are speaking of the future anyway, and I don't see you on the list of party stalwarts anyway.

49 posted on 11/07/2012 8:15:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Clarence

I know what you mean. I know what I saw with my own eyes and it doesn’t add up. I saw far fewer signs but R/R outnumbered the imposter at lease 3/1. I saw lines at my rural polling place that I had never seen before. When I visited Chicago a week before the election, I did not see one Obama sign or bumper sticker. Four years ago the same places were full of them. I saw polling places with Obama murals and Black Panthers outside of polling places. I heard of GOP poll watchers, 70 of them, being thrown out of Philly polling places. I heard of a an Ohio election judge being unseated because he was allowing unregistered people to vote. This election was stolen and lies prevail. Pray for our country.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 8:16:08 AM PST by Josephat
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