Skip to comments.President Obama Wins Reelection - America Declines
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:23 AM PST by LD Jackson
First of all, let me congratulate President Obama on his successful reelection. I did not vote for him and I am not happy with the results, but he did win the election. As unhappy as I am, that is how America rolls. We have successful transitions of power, instead of the kind of violence we see in Libya, Syria, Egypt, etc. As sour as these grapes may be, I'll still take America over any country in the world.
Having said that, let me get to some of my personal feelings. I am still in shock that the majority of Americans want another four years of Barack Obama. We have had four years of dismal economic growth, even though he promised we would see an economic boom because of the money he was spending. That did not materialize, yet he wants to do it again. Again, the shock that the majority of Americans believe that is the path we need to take. Even though the exit polls showed a majority of voters believed we are on the wrong track, they gave Obama another four years with which to continue that track. That is a major contradiction that I can not reconcile, at least this close to the election. Other trends that worry me is how the turnout looked in some states, but that will also have to come later. I just don't have it in me to look at it and give a proper analysis.
Please forgive me for grumbling about what is taking place. I do not consider myself a poor loser, but I am extremely disturbed by what is transpiring in our country. The number of those who are on government dependency has continued to grow in the past four years and I see nothing to suggest that trend will reverse. Is this what Americans really want, a country where the government provides for so many people? Apparently so and that troubles me greatly. Where has the America gone, the country where everyone had opportunity and took it, instead of waiting on the government to give them what they need?
What will happen in the next four years is fairly clear. Here is a short paragraph from President Obama's acceptance speech.
You elected us to focus on your jobs, not ours. And in the coming weeks and months, I am looking forward to reaching out and working with leaders of both parties to meet the challenges we can only solve together. Reducing our deficit. Reforming our tax code. Fixing our immigration system. Freeing ourselves from foreign oil. Weve got more work to do.Does that sound familiar? It should, as it is the same refrain he was using in 2008, except for the part of having more work to do. I find it disconcerting to see him falling back on the same mantra of wanting to work across the aisle, when he has made it abundantly clear that he has no desire to do so. This is one time when actions truly do speak louder than words. No matter what he says, Obama has shown no inclination that he wants to work with Republicans. His idea of compromise is simple. They give him everything he wants and they get nothing in return. Unless he grants them a few obligatory spending cuts, ten years down the road. I see nothing good coming from another four years of the same song and dance.
President Obama has already stated it would be easier to work without Congress. He has done so, via Executive Order, numerous times. Now that he has no reelection worries, how far will he be willing to go to enact his agenda? And make no mistake, he has an agenda that will harm America. Some may believe he will be a normal lame duck President and work to produce a legacy worthy of the Office of the President, but I think not. He now has the flexibility he desired and I am afraid he will make full use of it.
What will a second Obama term look like? Examine his first term and then double down on that. He has nothing to hold him back, except for the Republicans in the House of Representatives, and I am not at all convinced they have what it takes to stand in the gap. Without new and bold leadership, I am afraid they will fold and capitulate, making it almost impossible to stop the agenda Obama will certainly put forward.
A regulatory nightmare is on its way and there seems little we can do to stop it. Obamacare will be fully implemented and forever entrenched in our country. Taxes are almost certain to go up and spending is almost certain to increase. The only thing I can see that can convince Americans real change is needed is a complete and total economic collapse. Until that happens, we seem to be willing to stay in a deep sleep, oblivious to what is transpiring in America.
When Barack Obama was campaigning in 2008, he promised to bring our country together, to mend the divisions that already existed. He has accomplished nothing in that regard, except to make it worse. America is more divided than it has ever been and much of that is due to his "us against them" rhetoric. He may be an American by birth, but he is not an American by spirit. A real American would not use such rhetoric.
I am truly concerned for America. I realize God is in full control and nothing happens without his knowledge. I also know that God sometimes gives us the desires of our heart, even if those desires are not good for us. I am afraid that is what is happening. We are getting the government we deserve.
My heart is breaking for the country I so deeply love (unlike Obama.) I am sad and scared. Now that he’s been re-elected, he can be fully unleashed.
When do the concentration camps open?
I feel just like you do right now...I’m so confused and let down...I just hope God blesses this country because it sure doesn’t seem the people will...what to do now, what to do now..
It will accelerate; that's the way Hussein wants it. Dependency equals control, and control -- power -- is the ONLY thing that soulless tyrant cares about.
He is a truly empty, hollow, amoral person.
God has turned his back on this country. We don’t deserve his grace and protection any longer. I’ve told my family they better get right with God, he won’t desert his people though
I lay this directly at the feet of the main stream media who never vetted this guy and then ran cover for every un-American thing he did in his entire life. Don’t forget - a nation that rejects God, rejects its salvation.
That's the plan. I will say it flat out: Barack Hussein Obama hates the United States of America and everything it stands for.
Especially people who don't look like him, whom he regards as subhuman.
Which means we must fight him twice as hard.
RINOS ARE LOSERS!
Bye bye, republican party, you had your chance. Thanks for losing America!
CONGRATULATING someone who has been actively working for the destruction of your way of life — and will now accelerate that process? This is insanity.
Only one thing to do now. Buy gold, buy silver, and buy ammunition. God help us.
Our Founding Fathers cast the pearls of this great nation to the swine that brought it down.
MSM, Matt Drudge and Anne Coulter who decided Romney would be our candidate.
Wonder how Coulter feels this morning?
I also very upset with talk radio. Rush is full of crap and Mark Levin is also full of it. I blame him for bad mouthing Romney for a long time . I will never listen again. I am finished. I had to console my 17 year old daughter last night who feels her future is gone.
Gold is at $1719/oz this morning. Any guesses where it is going? :)
Thanks, I feel better now (sarc)
A European style union with handouts for all doesn’t seem as bad as waking up this morning, in what feels like nazi occupied territory.
Well, we fought hard, tried to work with what we were given and prayed into the wee hours.
It’s biblical, it’s out of our hands right now.
Maybe God wants us to focus on HIM and not our failed leaders?
As you said, the result doesn't mesh with the reality on the ground, and the more reliable polling (including polls showing independents favoring Romney by a wide margin). Could cheating and fraud account for the difference?
And where did the Romney campaign go wrong? It seems as if they outsmarted the Obama people at just about every turn, yet lost.
Was there really a 'Rat turnout in line with the MSM polling estimates, or was it manufactured by cheating?
We’ll said. This is actually my first time here. I’m not American but I signed up out of shocked that Obama gets four more years! How did that happen? The entire thing is depressing. I’m sorry for America and naturally for the entire world.
Wasn’t it interesting that the most reported polling station problems occurred in swing states. Just another happy coincidence for hussein.
We are now out numbered and out voted by a few antbeds in urban areas that are so dense that they throw off the whole vote.
“First of all, let me congratulate President Obama on his successful reelection.”
I appreciate your civility—but I cannot join you in that sentiment. I am just too heartbroken this morning.
“I had to console my 17 year old daughter last night who feels her future is gone.”
Your daughter is wise.
The burden on our children is the worst part of this debacle. At the risk of repeating myself, it is heartbreaking.
Perhaps, with time, a phoenix will rise from the ashes; it is young people like your daughter who give me hope for the future.
She has great parents. Please give her a hug from me (I’m a 50 year-old mom with a 17 year-old son and 13 year-old daughter), and from, I imagine, the rest of the FReeper community.
Historically total votes for President simply don't drop ~ but that seems to be the case this year.
People are not happy. Time for me to get out my crates of red armbands and start selling them on the net. Someone got a grievance, show the world with a red arm band ~ $10 ~ such and so post office box ~ money orders only!
BTW, the vote totals will change as absentees are counted ~ someday. But I don't think anybody is hiding 10 million spare votes out there.
TURNOUT WAS DOWN nationally by 14 million (hardly a sign of massive fraud). Obama won by 9.5 m in 08, we should have had a 5m vote margin of victory. It wasn't fraud.
“When do the concentration camps open?”
There’s a chilling thought! Maybe they are going to build the furnaces, first.
After all-other ‘leaders’ with radically populist and polarizing agendas solved THEIR social problems by building furnaces!
I realize this is a really bizarre thing to say... but at this point, I feel that the word ‘impossible’ has been deleted from the lexicon and that I can expect ANYTHING!
Thank you :)
FYI, there is an FR thread about illegal aliens voting in Nevada.
There is positively NO merit in a government which is in place soley to guarantee the comforts of citizens who have been reduced to the state of fat lazy cattle, and who possess no sense of responsibility for themselves. This is an immoral state for human beings. This group of citizens has no pride in theselves as individuals or shame at being maintained by the state!
“...rationalist humanism amounts to the attempt to construct civil and political society from an ethical vacuum....” Capaldi
Manufactured is my guess. Romney did nothing wrong that I can see. If anything, he did not take the bait. I would be checking not only voters; I would be checking the SOS of each state before the commit felonies when signing off on this guy. It has been reported many times how Soros bought them off.
They didn’t allow the military to vote. Add that to the fraud list.
Why do you think so many Pubbies sat out the race and didn’t vote?
Were they evangelicals who didn’t like Mitt’s Mormonism?
Conservatives who didn’t like Mitt’s past stances?
I am so confused why anyone would sit out this election..
I agree with you that the military vote was suppressed by failures of state bureaucrats to mail out ballots on time. Several GOP congresscritters were complaining about that last week.
Yes, that's disgraceful and even criminal if it was deliberate and politically motivated on the part of the 'Rats. But as a single factor, I don't think it's enough by itself to account for the numbers we've seen.
Now here's something that's intuitively impossible to explain by anything but compromised vote recording and/or tabulation: Romney got 2 and half million fewer votes nationally than John McCain did four years ago. (Just heard that on Rush Limbaugh's show.) Now how can that be explained in view of the obvious enthusiasm displayed by the very large crowds, etc., compared to McCain? There was no comparison between the two.
When do the concentration camps open?
And who is going to open them?
Romney won the military vote 3 to 1. After Obama left Americans to die in Libya, they are even more anti-Obama.
Then factor in a 100 million hunters/ firearms owners, many who are police ex police ex military etc and just who is going to end up locked up if they try that shit?
Sounds about right, but the total military vote was suppressed. Please see posts #s 33 and 35.
Voting machines were voting Obama when Romney was selected. That was all over the place. How many votes was that?
This is a discouraging outcome. I don’t know how anyone could vote for Obama this year. There is a Milky Way size debt, continued high unemployment, a rising Arab Spring with a decidedly radiacl Islamist tilt, and a President who’s more interested in celebrity than policy. Is there anything he’s been successful at?
The fact that we almost won provides a small spring of hope. As of now, Obama’s popular vote margin is only
60,132,028 to 57,432,727, far from a mandate. The Republicans waged a national campaign while the Democrats ran a state-by-state campaign and that brought them the electoral vote. Conservatives not only held the U.S. House of Representatives, but may increase our margin. The outcome in the U.S. Senate races are entirely due to poor candidates on our side (especially Missouri and Indiana).
The American people who make their choices intelligently need to hang in there for another four years and hope that no U.S. Supreme Court justices retire.
Please, it is not Matt Drudge and Anne Coulter’s fault.
The President for Life.
Many people would go willingly, especially if they didn’t have basic needs being met.I’ll bet Obama tries to establish the shadow paramilitary force that was talked about during his first term.
They sure didn’t help
read post 58—
Please be more specific. What type of technology regarding the voting machines are we talking about? Electronic touch screens? Or something else?
Also, in what states do you know of complaints along these lines? I know this happened in Colorado during early voting, but haven't seen articles about other specific instances - yet.
I saw that Allan West's people are complaining about voting irregularities in Florida, where he is down by 2400 votes, though absentees (including a lot of military, I'd assume) haven't come in yet.
Early voting was reported at all time highs and everyone was talking about the long lines yesterday. Amazing, huh.
Most people wouldn't notice. When they get to the end, they just hit enter and leave without a thought. Just like most people don't bother checking their reciepts at the grocery store. They "assume" it's right, sign their name and are out the door. There's no way of knowing what happened once the votes got into the system and were counted.
You hear only of the overcrowded places, not of the empty ones.
Better minds than mine are trying to make sense of this.
My take is that Obama is a larger than life figure - a personality that has assumed the status of cult leader. Can you imagine anyone but Obama being able to pull this off? Biden, Reid, or any of the other dinosaurs in that party?
Despite all his failures, there are still a lot of people out there who project on to him what they want to see. Young people see someone cool and hip who they like because their parents and grandparents do not like. Minorities see him as the ultimate revenge on white people. Minority women see him as the husband and/or Dad who stuck around. Women in general see him as a caring Dad and husband and quite frankly I’m sure a lot of women think he’s sexy. Working class men believe he swooped in to save their livelihood a la the auto bailout.
Democrats have offered goodies to all their core constituencies during the past four years. Despite what they can see out there with their own eyes, they choose to disbelieve what they see in favor of believing everything Obama says. It’s him and his sycophants against the world. They’re a tight, cozy coterie that lives in their own bubble of truth. They are also the most self centered and self absorbed group of people to ever emerge as a majority in the American electorate. They care nothing about the greater good of this and future generations. They care only about what they have been told they personally deserve and are entitled to. The Me Generation has taken over our electorate and the Democrats have their finger dead center on the pulse of this group.
Romney was the Grinch who was going to steal Christmas. Obama was the coolest, hippest Santa that ever lived.
I don’t care how sound and well stated your arguments are, they will fall on deaf ears if you have an electorate which is only concerned about what they can get, not what they can give. And whose thoughts extend only as far as the next text message they receive.
Republicans will never be able to give out more than Democrats do. That’s a losing battle.
Like it or not, we’re going to have to come up with our version of Obama as far as being hip and cool goes (not his deceptiveness). We can’t run another Grandfather.
The goose that laid the golden egg is slowly being strangled to death. But Obama is King.
“The American people who make their choices intelligently need to hang in there for another four years...”
My FRiend, what makes you think they’ll be anything left in another four years? This election was it.
Maybe they’re a shovel-ready project. Maybe they’re opening tomorrow. Maybe they’ll never open, but something else will that hasn’t been done before. Whatever is going to happen next, it isn’t America any longer. Leave America. It’s already left you. Australia, Israel, New Zealand, Antarctica, wherever. Go there. Don’t stay.
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