WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING

The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

[Fred Nerks]

...Clearly, Stanley Ann was excluding Obama from her U.S. Passport because he is now Indonesian.

And as an Indonesian, he cannot remain on her passport, so he arrives in Hawaii with an Indonesian passport in the name of Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah and it's no wonder immigration didn't hand him over to the Dunhams! Stanley Ann's married name was SOETORO. If the name on the passport was Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah, there was really nothing to connect him to Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro or Lolo Soetoro.

Another can of worms opens.

Immigration may have said to the Dunhams, come back when you can show me how this Indonesian national is related to you, and why we should allow him to remain in the US.

[rolling_stone]

It is normal for children to be removed from mothers passport..for example if child and mother are on one passport they must travel together child cannot travel seperately if they need to travel seperately each needs their own pasport.. I was removed at about age 7 or 8...
Kids travel unaccompanied all the time -overseas parents of divorced parents..there is a procedure for it despite what Sven says.

Sven also claims Soetoreo entered as a refugee but there is no basis for him to qualify as a refugee(what was he seeking protection from?)...he had two relatives, grandma and grandpa who took care of him and why would the INS turn him over to a stranger agency when he had competent relatives responsible for him, it doesn’t make sense.

Oh also airline employees are not going to let someone fly from a foreign country to the US without valid documents...so he must have had something

Minor Children Applying for Asylum By Themselves

Minor and Unaccompanied Minor Asylum Applicants

You may apply for asylum as a minor if you:

Are under 18 years old
Want to have your own case separate from your parents or spouse
You may apply for asylum as an unaccompanied minor if you:

Are under 18 years old.
Have no parent or legal guardian in the United States who can provide care or custody.
Were separated from your parents or legal guardians.
Entered the United States with a parent or other adult guardian but left the parent’s or guardian’s care.
Have a parent(s) that is deceased and there is no legal guardianship arrangement.
Asylum officers will decide your case if you are in immigration court proceedings or filed your application with an asylum office. You must attend your immigration court hearings and should follow the Immigration Judge’s instructions

[SvenMagnussen]

“Kids travel unaccompanied all the time -overseas parents of divorced parents..there is a procedure for it despite what Sven says.”

And there is a procedure for ICE agents to follow for Unaccompanied Minors with Foreign Nationality who are about to clear customs, as well.

Unaccompanied Minors departing International flights with U.S. Passports are not taken into protective custody by ICE agents. At it’s worst, the Unaccompanied Minor with a U.S. Passport is cleared through Customs and local law enforcement is called. If necessary, the state-based welfare agency will take the child into protective custody.

Obama was taken into protective custody by ICE agents before he cleared customs because he was Unaccompanied and did not have a U.S. Passport. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was one of two U.S. Federal contractors who took custody of foreign national children abandoned at border crossings in 1971.

Catholic Social Services of Connecticut maintained legal custody of Obama from 1971 until his 18th birthday. Madelyn Payne was awarded guardianship of Obama from 1971 until his 18th birthday. And Stanley Ann and Lolo were stripped of their parental rights in 1971 and could not claim him as a dependent on their U.S. Federal Tax returns because he was not their dependent. Stanley Ann and Lolo did claim Obama as a dependent for education expenses after his 18th birthday.

[Fred Nerks]

Ok, I daresay most of what you write is valid, but let’s reduce it down to something organic. The boy arrives in Hawaii and there’s nothing to connect him to the very people who are waiting to collect him at the airport. He has to pass through immigration, doesn’t he?
He can’t just get off the aircraft and stroll through the airport and jump into a taxi, can he?

Neither can you expect immigration to hand him over to anyone who isn’t connected to him.
And that goes whether he’s got a travelling companion or not.
And please remember, he had already been to Hawaii before that, at least once. Lia, the girl who claimed to be his adopted sister (she died suddenly not long ago) spent the summer holidays with the Dunhams - and Lia returned to Indonesia on her own, leaving him there, as she waved goodbye to the Dunhams, clutching the monkey-doll they had given her.
I think that’s possibly in 1969, he must have been there long enought to attend school, because there’s a photograph of him with Scott Inoue at Christmas, 1969, according to Scott’s mother.
So what was his name then and what kind of a passport did he then have, when his name was Barry Obama, according to Scott and his mother?

For immigration to allow him to pass through the airport in 1970 with the name of Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah without asking questions, is a potential for child-smuggling as I see it.
I’ll say it again. He looks like he arrived on his own passport and it’s in the name of Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah.

There’s no Soetoro name there, nothing to connect him to the name of the woman whose passport he left Hawaii on, and nothing to connect him to the man his mother married, under whose name he attended school in Indonesia, where his name is shown as BARRY SOETORO.

If you were employed by the immigration department, would you hand the boy over...or would you be within your rights to demand that the people who are trying to claim him, really have a relationship to the child?

And now of course, you have to place yourself into the shoes of the Dunhams.

WHAT MIGHT THEY HAVE HAD TO PROVE THEIR BONA-FIDES? NOTHING! AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY THE KENYAN HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO HAWAII TO APPEAR IN COURT AND ESTABLISH PARENTAGE.

The basis for which the divorce documents which gave her custody and named the kenyan as father were probably used.

I’m tired of going around in circles. You still don’t know who his biological parents were. You don’t know when he was born. You don’t know where he was born.

I think he was classified as a refugee not because he was in any danger in Indonesia, but because that was the only classification available under the circumstances.

He might as well have been a stateless orphan.

HE HAD NOTHING ON HIM THAT IDENTIFIED HIS PARENTS. DID HE? THEY COULDN’T EVEN SEND HIM BACK. TO WHOM WOULD THEY HAVE SENT HIM? MR & MRS SOEBARKAH????

[Seizethecarp]

“Stanley Ann wrote the name of the individual previously included on the old passport in the Section to Amend (Exclude) the individual from being on the renewed passport.”

I don’t see Stanley Ann having done anything different than what she would have done if Barry was being excluded merely for now having his own separate passport.

As usual you have provided no evidence for all of your adoption speculation. The INS FIOA docs on Soetoro affirm that Barry was his stepson ONLY and NOT adopted.

[Fred Nerks]

...he had two relatives, grandma and grandpa who took care of him and why would the INS turn him over to a stranger agency when he had competent relatives responsible for him, it doesn’t make sense.

At the risk of repeating myself, that is the crux of the issue. The Dunhams couldn't provide evidence that they were in any way related to the boy.

[Fred Nerks]

...Catholic Social Services of Connecticut is a non-government, non-profit welfare agency that had contracted with the U.S. Federal Government to take custody of abandoned foreign national children.

Caught my eye, because it looks like that's exactly what he was. An abandoned foreign national.

[rolling_stone]

Of course they could, obie would have needed a notorized document from his parents as to who what when where and why...he ended up living with them, so aparently they convinced someone...airline wouldnt have let him on an international flight without it or a parent..they would have to pay to send him back if he was denied entry and excluded...

the illegal minor rugrats these days are not coming here on common carriers, except possibly as stowaways..no planes no ships...no trains..

Parental consent/permission letter

What should a parental consent/permission letter look like? Is there a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) form?

There is not a CBP Form letter, however, the parental consent letter should include: Who, What, Where, When, Why, and contact information for the absent parent(s).

Having the letter notarized is not necessary but highly recommended. For frequent border crossers, the letter should not exceed one year. It is recommended to have the letter in English.

[Fred Nerks]

He departed from Indonesia by all accounts, it was in 1970 apparently. What Indonesia required to allow a child with his own passport to travel, I have no idea.
Seems his problems manifested when he landed.
And I’m really sick of the whole thing, I do my best, but every time I say Bahnhoff, someone yells rhubarb, not based on anything in particular...just rhubarb.
German joke, sarc.

[Fred Nerks]

FOR THE RECORD:

BARRY OBAMA WITH SCOTT INOUE IN HAWAII IN THE THIRD GRADE, 1969

[bluecat6]

A blast from the past....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2689058/posts?page=186#186

Some other links on subject at hand:

http://kommoncents.blogspot.com/2011/05/did-ann-dunham-immigrate-to-indonesia.html

The one above had good images of pages from FOIA.

Also, I do not recall seeing this before:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_clW92NzmFvI/TGTGM8uTklI/AAAAAAAAECE/588qXnDMwBs/s1600/000-5.jpg

The INS entry document for SAD in 1971 (supposedly).

It only has her name on it. Nothing about Barry. Surprised?

Of course there is in consistency with this trip in the folklore and documentation.

From Kommoncents link above.

“On an unspecified date in 1971: Barack Obama returns from Indonesia to Hawaii alone, unaccompanied by his mother (Source: “Dreams from My Father,” p. 53). Obama asserts he hands his grandparents his U.S. passport upon arrival in Honolulu (Source: Dreams from My Father, p. 54).
Nothing in the released Freedom of Information State Department documents indicates Dunham Soetoro assisted her son in obtaining a U.S. passport in Indonesia after she amended her passport to remove his name. “

U.S. Department of State allows Dunham Soetoro to enter the United States on her expired passport No. F777788. The State Department exception form notes the departure from the U.S. related to the trip was the Oct. 1967 flight Dunham Soetoro took to Indonesia from Hawaii on Japan Airways.

Oct. 20-21, 1971

Dunham Soetoro departs from Jakarta, Indonesia, on Pan American Airlines Flight No. 812, arriving Oct. 21, 1971, in Honolulu, Hawaii, traveling on the exception granted by the State Department on Oct. 21, 1971, to use her expired passport No. F777788.

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So you have a claim in a book that he traveled ALONE from Jakarta to Hawaii. AND you have evidence that SAD traveled on October 20/21. At least the later has some evidence.

But the later has no sign of a child accompanying her. It appears its just - her. Also, since her passport expired on 7/18/1970 and was flagged upon entry in October 1971 it is pretty safe to say that SAD did NOT enter the US between July 1970 and October 1971. Given how hard it is pin things down this at least seems to indicate there was not ‘regular’ travel by the family back and forth to and from Indonesia.

So, no evidence of SAD traveling WITH Barry in October and he claims he traveled ‘alone’ and went through Japan on the way between Jakarta and Honolulu.

Some say if he traveled alone he could not be bouncing through other countries as he claimed. It must have been a direct flight from Jakarta to Honolulu - right?

Well, a slight problem with that. No commercial aircraft could make the flight directly in 1971. Jakarta to Honolulu is 6,709 miles as the crow flies. The longest range Boeing 707 - 3,735 miles operational range. How about a 747? They entered service in 1970. Well 747-100 operational range is only 5,300 miles. Quite simply there were no non-stop flights from Jakarta to Hawaii. How would a 10-year old traveling alone take an international flight that had a stop over? And not just a 1 hour on the ground stop-over. Changing planes or a long layover for full refueling would be a must.

The debate over ‘removing’ Obama from SAD passport in 1968 has one last fun twist. There is not evidence of him being ON her passport to start with. The 1965 amendment does not list him. There really is no evidence he was ever on her passport.

So other than a confusing mark out even the passport records fail to link this supposed mother and child.

[bluecat6]

Scott’s little memorabilia creates a real timeline problem.

Christmas 1969....

Here is another slightly less specific timeline problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html

While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10.

1970? 10?

Well again Obama was supposed to be in Indonesia in 1970. And via immigration records to almost certain that SAD did not enter the US between July 1970 and October 1971 since here passport was expired during that time.

But the story above has another anomaly - Obama would not turn 10 until 1971. In 1970 he should have been 8 and 9.

[WildHighlander57]

OK I went further back, to when they codified the various immigration laws into a more cohesive state. Its the McCarran Act, aka the 1952 immigration and nationality act. Pertinent section is Title 3 chapter 3.
Date and reference is 66 stat public law 414 June 27 1952.

Page 267 is where chapter 3 starts.

Synopsis of section 349 (a) (1) which deals with loss of nationality:

Nationality can be lost if the person got naturalized elsewhere by applying for it on their own.

Nationality can be lost if they got naturalized elsewhere on account of having an app done on their behalf by a parent.

Nationality can be lost if they got naturalized elsewhere on account of their parent getting naturalized elsewhere.

the above items will occur PROVIDED the following happens:

Parent nationalized elsewhere while the person was under 21.

Parent did a nationalization elsewhere on their behalf while the person was under 21.

The persons nationality WILL be lost if they don’t come back to the u.s. and establish residency before they turn 25.

Page 272 says that a person with u.s. nationality that is under 21 and is resident in a foreign state with a parent who loses u.s. nationality through section 350 or 352 will also lose their nationality if they get foreign nationality and don’t establish residency in the u.s. before 25 years old.

I will look at sections 350 and 352 and see what they say about the parent(s), and post later.

One of the copies of the act that I downloaded has amendments up to around 1997; I will pore through it to see what changes were made that may have affected a person born in 1961...

All of the above is applicable ONLY if the person were a u.s. citizen to begin with, (or maybe got naturalized at some point) before going abroad.

[Fred Nerks]

...The debate over ‘removing’ Obama from SAD passport in 1968 has one last fun twist. There is not evidence of him being ON her passport to start with. The 1965 amendment does not list him. There really is no evidence he was ever on her passport.

You got that right, welcome to the 'club' there's NO WAY one can make the documents fit either the myth of 'Dreams' or the stories told by obots who are trying to paper over the gaps.

Unless you see the passport she apparently had in July, 1965, of which we have been told no records exist because they were destoyed...

There's nothing to indicate she ever took him to Indonesia. And if she didn't, then who did? It gets worse. On some of her passport applications she's 5 foot five, on others she's 5 foot and a half inch. Did she shrink?

So other than a confusing mark out even the passport records fail to link this supposed mother and child.

And now you follow why one of the things I have tried to point out is that we have no idea when he left the USA and went to Indonesia? Or what his name was?

There's something seriously wrong with the entire Indonesian/Soetoro story. The image of the little family on the couch is a compostion. It's a FAKE, and why would they need to do that?

WND INDONESIA TIMELINE

[little jeremiah]

You’ve brought up excellent points (as always). The main point that so many miss is that: NOTHING FITS!! There is not one “narrative” that fits the facts that are known. SOmething always has to be jettisoned in order to cram the current “theory” of Steaming’s actual life into whichever theory people believe in.

Again, as always, the best method is to stick ONLY to what is known, and possibly what can be solidly as possible inferred from those known facts, and jettison the beliefs that do not fit.

This way the real unknowns are made clear, and no false assumptions made. His parentage IS NOT PUBLICALLY KNOWN! It is obvious the Kenyan 0bama is not the father, and to anyone who has even paid a bit of attention to some of the reserach on this site, it is clear that SAD is not the mother.

You’d think more people would be asking “Well, who the hell is he???? Where did he come from?”

[Fred Nerks]

Our research group realized a long time ago it's more productive to begin from the standpoint of 'let's acknowledge how little we know' rather than 'look at me, see how clever I am, I know it all' - and if you start from there, it's hard to go wrong.

For example:

Where was that 'graduation' photograph of Stanley Ann Dunham taken? Why was the page with her image cropped so that the other students on that page cannot be recognized?

Why has no one come forward with a 1960 yearbook from Mercer Island high School? Are none of the students who were on that page with her still alive? The school says their copies of the 1960 yearbooks were stolen...

Her Uncle, Charles T Payne was deputy director of the library at the University of Chicago...is that where she was, and is that why we can't find her at Mercer Island High school, other than a few small groups (french club) for example, into which she might easily have been inserted?

She visits Susan Blake with a child about three weeks old, and doesn't know how to change a diaper. Might that have been because it wasn't her child? Susan says she borrowed a car from a friend of her mother: who was that friend and when was that? She tells Susan she's madly in love with a black man from Kenya. But no one has seen her in Hawaii. (But there is a photograph of the Kenyan at a social gathering at the Nachmannof's in the 'early sixties' and sitting next to him is a girl identified as ANNE/USA. She's not Stanley Ann Dunham)

And meanwhile, Mary is baby-sitting a seven month old for Anna Obama in the boarding house where Anna Obama is listed in the Polk for 1961.

We first see the boy with SAD when he's about two years old. Might that be because she never had her photograph taken with the child she cared for as an au pair? (Nanny?)

What was she doing (if it was her) holding what looks like a five or six month old in a photograph that was shown on page 18 of the publication 'Muhammad Speaks' and when was that photograph taken?

Just ask any one of these questions to start with...and it's down-hill all the way for the myth from then on...because the obvious conclusion seems to be - there was an Ann Obama in Hawaii, an Anna Obama in Seattle with a child in January 1961, and she wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham.

But we do have a photograph of the two little boys and one just happens to look like his father would have been the kenyan student, and the other is definitely zero. (Now cometh the resident critic to tell you the boys are Mark and David Ndesandjo, but take my word for it, they are NEITHER MARK NOR DAVID. And that's why Mark removed the photograph from his webpage, after he tampered with it, trying to change their appearance and colour.

Trust no-one, believe nothing. Don't even believe me. Just keeping asking questions.

And one of the questions to ask might be, is that the Barack Hussein Obama 11 on the right, who is shown on the birth index for Hawaii which appears to be for 1960-1964...although it's the only index folder from the HDOH at the library from which the date range has been removed?

[Fred Nerks]

FYI:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2955775/posts?page=156#156

[WildHighlander57]

In the two pictures of the two boys, look at the picture on the left.

The head of the kid on the right looks lime it was stuck on there.

Real weird.

Whole lotta photoshopping going on.....

[WildHighlander57]

lime s/b like

[Fred Nerks]

...The head of the kid on the right looks like it was stuck on there.

OK, now pretend the boy on the right has his head on straight...and then ask yourself, who might he be? (Don't let the silly pose distract you.) The tampering has more to do with trying to make the two boys appear more alike in SKIN TONE. The tinted image which appeared first, shows the boy on the right being much darker than the other...

Above are three images of obama, the fourth, tinted image comes from the 'two little boys' image...the four are THE SAME CHILD.

So who is zero sitting with? Is that BHO2 whom Mary baby-sat in January 1961, the boy who was seven months old in August?

And might zero be the younger child, whom Stanley Ann Duham showed to Susan Blake when he was three weeks of age - at a time, as Susan said, she had just returned from somewhere there were forest fires...in late summer, 1961.

If all you can see is a tilted head, you're being fooled.