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Talking to a Liberal on Election Eve
scottfactor.com ^ | 11/07/12 | Gina Miller

Posted on 11/06/2012 5:34:17 AM PST by scottfactor

On Sunday evening I called a dear relative that I have not seen for a number of years. He lives several states away, and we have not had the occasion to be together due to our busy, divergent lives. I love him and miss seeing him, although he is a die-hard liberal who fully supports Barack Obama (or whatever his name is).

When I called my loved one, so close to this critical election, I knew I did not want to discuss politics with him, because there is no agreement in our worldviews. I would have studiously avoided any mention of politics, but he broached the subject right away by asking me what I think of the upcoming election.

So, it began. I gently tried to point out to him (if there is a “gentle” way to point out) that Obama has distinctly communistic (or socialistic, if you prefer) policies of centralized government control of society. The conversation was fruitless. I refrained from citing a laundry list of the lawless, impeachable, even treasonous actions by this administration and only mentioned a few, which he refused to accept.

He had the leftist talking points down pat: blaming President Bush for everything; claiming opposition to Obama’s policies is due to racism; denouncing government subsidies for oil companies; denying that the federal government now has an ownership stake in General Motors after shafting the bondholders; declaring that homosexuals only want marriage “equality;” and insisting that conservatives are uninformed—especially those of us who question Obama’s mysterious past and his possible ineligibility to hold the office of President.

It is difficult, even heartbreaking, to have a conversation with someone who sees the world with such radically different eyes than you do. It is even harder when the person is someone you love and you wish could be free of leftist mind shackles. It was useless to state the facts of Obama’s record to him, because he honestly believes that conservatives do not know truth and facts, so wedded to his leftist ideology he is, and he simply denies that what Obama has done is wrong or in any way dangerous to America. He seems to believe the lies of the Obama administration and the lies about conservatives that the Democrat lapdog media feeds into American televisions and computers.

How could I tell him that since Obama’s installation in the presidency, conservatives have been rudely—and thankfully—jarred awake and are now among the most informed people in the nation? Well, I could say it, but he would not believe it. How do I know conservatives are among the most informed? Look at the Tea Party movement. Look at the massive Tea Party turnouts around the country in 2009 and 2010. Look at the blowout, mid-term elections of 2010. Look at the astonishing number of supporters who showed up for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day back on August 1st. These are examples of people who are watching with eyes wide open, who see what is happening with a lawless, anti-American administration inWashington. These are people who have made it a priority to be informed, to stay aware of what Obama and his minions are doing.

Counter that with the other side. Just look at all the depressing “man on the street” interviews of brainwashed kids at college campuses and clueless citizens on big city streets, or unwitting, guest players of Glenn Beck’s “Moron Trivia.” Look at “Obama Phone Woman.” Look at the deranged thinking displayed by the Occupy Wall Street idiots. I know these are anecdotal, but you still see many people are void of even the most basic knowledge of what is happening in the world around them, much less in federal, state and local governments.

The stark contrast between conservatives and liberals is the nature of their worldviews. The fundamentals of conservatism are godly values. The fundamentals of liberalism are godless platitudes. Conservatism is a worldview that cherishes our nation’s Christian foundation. It seeks the best for everyone, not equality of outcome, but equality of opportunity. Conservatism cherishes our God-given freedoms which are necessarily joined with personal responsibility. Conservatism demands good stewardship in our leaders, and it seeks to turn back the nearly unrestrained spending and power-grabbing by those in Washingtonin recent years.

Liberalism looks at government as god, while it denies God’s place in our nation. It thrives on envy. It seeks to “equalize” outcomes, which inevitably leads to the lowest common denominator becoming the standard. Liberalism is herd mentality; it shuns individualism and self-initiative. It seeks to shake off the healthy restraints of moral absolutes and sound reason. The policies of liberalism ultimately lead to tyranny.

I realize I am preaching to the choir here on the sites that carry this column, and I do not have to tell you how crucial it is that we get this anti-American, junior tyrant out of our White House on this Election Day. But, it remains that there are many people in our nation with the mindset of my dear relative, who do not perceive the real nature of liberalism, who support its horrendous goals of wealth “redistribution,” all-powerful, monstrous government and the silencing of those who speak against liberalism’s tyranny. These people do not look back in history, even recent history, and see the atrocious track record of liberal policies that fail everywhere they are imposed.

I pray, as I have for many years now, for my loved one to be free from the deception of liberalism. And the next time I talk with him, I will try much harder to keep the conversation away from politics and on, say, football and barbecue.


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To: scottfactor

A couple of suggestions - sometimes they help put a chink in their armour.

1) If Roe v Wade is repealed, what happens? Answer: the question goes back to the states as it was prior. Ask them if they really think their state would outlaw abortion, and point out that states are already free to define issues of life and death as they see fit (murder, etc.). Why are they against people having choices?

2) You can make a good case that the differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals want to force everyone, including those who disagree, to conform with their worldview by using the force of the state to shove it down their throats (either by outright coersion, or by confiscation or both). Conservatives largely just want to be left alone and are willing to do so to others. If their ideas are so wonderful, why do they look to the state first rather than trying to convince those who disagree? Are they so inept at explaining, or are the public schools they’ve run for decades that useless?


21 posted on 11/06/2012 6:19:31 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: scottfactor

Personally I will not associate myself with any lefties and IMO they are traitors to this country. I don’t care if they are friends or family. This is war and our country as we know it is at stake, and anyone who votes for Barky or defends that leftist crap is the enemy. Period.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 6:28:18 AM PST by VP82254
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To: scottfactor

All my liberal friends have long since given up and self deported......I don’t miss a one of them!!!


23 posted on 11/06/2012 6:31:23 AM PST by ontap
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To: Maceman

Arguments like that are useless. She’s a lawyer and is connected to the Dem party in Minnesota. Abortion “rights” is one of her big issues. Might as well be arguing with a brick wall. Her husband, on the other hand, while still a Dem is highly switchable. He doesn’t like Obama, but he doesn’t like Romney either. I’ll keep working on him.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 6:36:39 AM PST by driftless2
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To: madmominct
It's even worse for getting "news" to anyone under 27 in this Country.

Most of these sneering idiots are adoring fans of the lying jerk and democrat, Jonathan Leibowitz AKA Jon Stewart.

Their shared narcissism and stupidity are why I have a hard time associating or otherwise acknowledging anyone in that particular age group.

25 posted on 11/06/2012 6:47:18 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: VP82254

Amen!


26 posted on 11/06/2012 6:48:20 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: estrogen

No, it’s not just you. And the hardest part is that there is no conversation, no back and forth, no thought process. Just point A, point B, etc... and if you even show hard evidence of how they are wrong, it’s like the brain just hits ‘reset’ and they start over again. It’s actually odd.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 6:51:45 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

You should read Dr. Lyle Rossiter’s book about the connection between democrats and mental illness.


28 posted on 11/06/2012 6:57:30 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: MomofMarine

” I cannot believe a successful entrepreneur could be so blind.”

Maybe getting hit by upcoming Obamacare taxes and regulations will make him see the light.


29 posted on 11/06/2012 7:14:17 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Prole

Unfortunately, many of the people we watch, listen to, and read are Liberals. It is generally considered that a forum generally for people in their 20s is a Liberal forum based upon the age demographic. And yes, like older Liberals, they can be so arrogant and elitist in their ways of thinking. It is so predictable and so cliched whenever I hear somebody entertaining me get into some kind of Left-Wing political argument.

And than we have the professors who teach people in my demographic(I am 26 years old, BTW) who are generally Liberal if they espouse their political views. I had a professor, last semester I think, who kept on making offtopic political remarks about how “brilliant” Obama is. Everyone laughed with him but me, and I finally took action.

One day while he was so self-absorbed in his rant about how Obama is too smart for people, I started making a few noises with my pencil. He looked at me and said that he could tell that somebody is ticked off. So he asked my opinion, and I said that this is not the proper time or place for it to be made. He agreed with me, actually, never brought up politics again and apologized to me five times.

Now, I have a professor who seems so ideologically in the bank that every day of class feels like a massive migraine having to listen to him rant and rave about how bad US foreign policy was, how destructive Capitalism is. Unfortunately, if you are not too well informed than it is easy to be turned to his side of the argument since he tosses in factoids along with his ideological biases. None of it seems related to the subject I am taking and I am in there just to get a degree.

So, in conclusion. I know that it has taken me a lot to say this but it takes a steel will and stubborness to be into what my age group is and to brush off any political disagreements with ease. I know little to no Conservatives in my youth-ridden environment at the place I work at, and I just shrug off any political statements they make on FB. That is all I can say. Oh and I don’t watch the Daily Show. I hate Liberal biases.


30 posted on 11/06/2012 7:15:18 AM PST by Merta (Like Joe Jones, but in reverse, I talk too much.)
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To: scottfactor
It thrives on envy.

And envy comes from vanity/pride, thinking too highly of oneself, too much self-esteem. People are too quick to take personal credit for all the gifts and blessings that were given to them. To improve things we don't need a self-esteem movement but a self-humble movement.

Many times false self-esteem develops as a protective response to painful events during childhood: an absent father, witnessing other children receive gifts for their birthday and Christmas. This certainly explains O'Bastard's hardcore leftism. To this day the O'Bastard household bans birthday and Christmas gifts for their children, and if the O'Bastard could he would ban them for yours.

Pride leads to envy which leads to hate which leads to theft, destruction, murder, war, and most of the evil in the world. A plus side of this defect of human nature is it also drives human evolution at a much higher speed than natural selection. We owe our high intelligence to the special environmental pressure of envy, which pushes human development along at high speed while leaving other plants and animals untouched. During tribal warfare, the left side of the bell curve is more likely to get killed off. Unfortunately the bell curve spontaneously reforms and the cycle of violence repeats forever at a self-regulating pace.

Don't hate the envious, but do buy a gun. Nothing has suddenly changed or will change about human nature.

31 posted on 11/06/2012 7:21:10 AM PST by Reeses
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To: VP82254

I agree. Anyone who is a Lib/Dem has been removed from my life. I cannot respect anyone who is at best ignorant, evil, or more likely just plain stupid. Life is too short to be associated with people who cause you stress or make you ashamed that you know them. I cannot interact regularly or respect anyone who is a Democrat.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 8:19:57 AM PST by BizBroker (Democrats know nothing. If they knew that they knew nothing, that would be something. But they don't)
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To: scottfactor

No one chooses the family tree they are born into, but they damn sure can prune some branches.


33 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:36 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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