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What's Wrong With Music Today
NYC Talking ^ | November 3, 2012 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 11/03/2012 1:38:09 PM PDT by OddLane

It’s often said that art appreciation is wholly subjective. Aesthetic tastes naturally differ, de gustibus non est disputandem, etc… And if art is a matter of taste, and not subject to critical scrutiny, then so it is with music, which is simply a subset of art. In one sense, the people who posit this argument are correct. There’s no objective, non-arbitrary measure by which you can judge the quality of a musical composition, artist, or genre. In another sense, these people are completely wrong.

I hew to the Adam Carolla theory of musical appreciation. That is, there is a distinct, unmistakable cleavage between music that is good and music which, for lack of a better word, sucks. The problem is that today, for a variety of reasons, many cannot distinguish between the two. It explains why, whenever you enter a club, a bar, or a misguided friend’s party, your ears are bombarded with an unremitting stream of reggaeton, dub step, and execrable Top 40 hip hop and pop.

It’s why you will never hear a single by Iris DeMent, John Wesley Harding, the Carolina Chocolate Drops or any other musician/band who doesn’t make you long for the sweet release of death.

(Excerpt) Read more at nyctalking.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: americanrattlesnake; musicindustry; pop
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Had to get my mind off Hurricane Sandy's wreckage, so I decided to rant about one of my favorite subjects.
1 posted on 11/03/2012 1:38:18 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Junior Walker, Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke are all gone. Chuck Berry got old.


2 posted on 11/03/2012 1:41:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Red Cross says, Vote For Obama!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Not too old to rock.
3 posted on 11/03/2012 1:44:50 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane

Accompanied my wife to Kohl’s yesterday.

Had to go back to the car in order to avoid hurling over the worst vapid music I have ever been tortured with.

Well, second worst.

At least it wasn’t cretin IQ hip hop.


4 posted on 11/03/2012 1:45:41 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: OddLane; Scoutmaster

The Carolina Chocolate Drops emerged from the Charlotte Folk Society. They often play around here. I can’t get to like Iris DeMent’s voice, although Scoutmaster provided helpful video links.

As a symptom of my midlife crisis, I find that I’m liking the music my 16-year-old listens to: Seether, Evans Blue, and those people with “Miss the Misery.” Also the electronic buzzing stuff, which as a side benefit makes the baby sleep.


5 posted on 11/03/2012 1:46:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: "Nothing but debt, dependency, and decay." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: OddLane

Give me good old 50’s DooWop’s, especially ballads by the Channels, Five Satins the Dubs.......


6 posted on 11/03/2012 1:48:58 PM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: OddLane

Anyone listening to the radio looking for good music is an idiot...


7 posted on 11/03/2012 1:49:05 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Tax-chick
Really?

She reminds me of a modern Jean Ritchie.

Love the CCD-can't wait to hear some of their original music.

Seether is good.

8 posted on 11/03/2012 1:49:09 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane
Silver and Gold
9 posted on 11/03/2012 1:49:45 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (WINNING IS EVERYTHING!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

BTTT.


10 posted on 11/03/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Tax-chick

No Scandinavian death metal, lol?


11 posted on 11/03/2012 1:53:02 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: OddLane

Just saw your about page. RIP Breitbart. Was just corresponding with a friend about him. :(

I’ve hated music up until the last year or so. Now I’m really excited again about a lot of new artists. I feel like a teen again. I like Mumford and Sons, Young the Giant, Florence and the Machine, Adele, AWOL Nation and there are many artists with individual/a couple of songs that I like like the Lumineers, The Naked and Famous, Churchill, DeVotchka, Coldplay, Imagine Dragons and a few more that I’m forgetting. I think there’s a lot of creativity out there right now and genuine talent.

Oh, I saw New Order in October. That was a great blast from the past. Took two of my kids.


12 posted on 11/03/2012 1:57:10 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: OddLane

I used to listen to 80’s pop and “light rock” but I don’t really listen to music at all any more. I have found some reasons.... the lyrics are normally retarded these days.

I found some Korean songs to listen to, sometimes its better if you don’t understand the words. lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK8q7rS-Hjo&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLRTMGlgUYzfmrSLqme1dG9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOmVpQBFBk&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLRTMGlgUYzfmrSLqme1dG9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKVyOWOg9H8&feature=related

etc


13 posted on 11/03/2012 1:57:39 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Da Coyote

Every time I go to Kohl’s, I hear this song, and it makes me want to slam my head into one of the mirrored columns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

I don’t know how the employees stand it without going nuts. Last time, I got in the car and disinfected my ears with Heart singing “Straight On.”


14 posted on 11/03/2012 2:03:44 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: OddLane

There is plenty of great music being made today, you just won’t hear it on top 40 pop radio or over the PA in a restaurant bar.

It’s just that you’ve got to go find it now, instead of it finding you. Spotify, Pandora, iTunes, all manner of great singer-songwriters, niches that you’d never even hear about thirty years ago.

The day of big arena rock bands may be fading, but is seeing a musician or group you love in a club or smaller venue really such a bad thing?

I don’t think so.


15 posted on 11/03/2012 2:04:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Wyatt's Torch
there's a lot to be said for XM...
16 posted on 11/03/2012 2:05:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OddLane

I’m tellin ya, when Jolson died he took the music with him.


17 posted on 11/03/2012 2:05:26 PM PDT by Lacey2
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To: RegulatorCountry; Anoreth

No, I just can’t take the death metal. I want to hear someone singing something, even if it’s loud and hostile.

I like Alestorm when I’m going somewhere with Anoreth, though.


18 posted on 11/03/2012 2:05:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: "Nothing but debt, dependency, and decay." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: OddLane
It’s why you will never hear a single by Iris DeMent,

THAT I can live with.

19 posted on 11/03/2012 2:05:59 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Not if it’s Internet radio. Any kind of music you want and most of it commercial free.


20 posted on 11/03/2012 2:07:21 PM PDT by Lacey2
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To: OddLane
For starters, rap "music" is vile and feral. Hip hop is garbage. Most pop music is synthetic, auto-tuned vocal formula garbage. Classic rock is mostly great stuff.....but it does not count as today's music. Very few good bands out there.

You can stumble into great artists by listening to Pandora. I have found radical cello players, great folk artists, and incredible pianists. Mostly, I look for beauty in music these days. In beauty there is truth, and in truth you see the fingerprints of God.

21 posted on 11/03/2012 2:10:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dirtboy
Boo!

She's got true grit.

22 posted on 11/03/2012 2:12:21 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane

XM Radio, the Deep Tracks channel (27) is where I go to hear music that I used to hear on Detroit FM radio back in the late 60’s and 70’s. There are also the Classic Vinyl and Classic Rewind channels (25 & 26) that I use as backups to Deep Tracks.


23 posted on 11/03/2012 2:13:43 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
It could always be worse.
24 posted on 11/03/2012 2:15:50 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: beaversmom
Florence and the Machine is pretty good.

Some friends of mine went to one of her concerts a few months ago and had a blast.

25 posted on 11/03/2012 2:18:15 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane

I will be dating myself but I stopped listening to pop music around 1970.
Oh well, at least there was still the choir music at church.
Then last week, the church’s pastor announced the choir was being eliminated in favor of a “Keep it loud” rock.
We will be looking for another church.
I’m so thankful for remote controls with mute buttons.


26 posted on 11/03/2012 2:22:04 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: OddLane

Oh I would love to see her live. I came across this video of her live the other day, Dog Days are Over. Beautiful, beautiful voice, unique sound, interesting lyrics, and energy. Love her.

Florence + The Machine - Dog Days Are Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMuCME6Oewk&;


27 posted on 11/03/2012 2:23:32 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: OddLane

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120710.html


28 posted on 11/03/2012 2:29:01 PM PDT by unique1
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To: Wiser now
Ugh.

Sounds worse than the Unitarians.

29 posted on 11/03/2012 2:30:46 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane
I gave up on new music many years ago when the rap took over but there are signs of a recovery. This amazing song finally trickled down to me and impressed me quite a bit, could use more vocals from the woman though: Gotye - Somebody That I Used To Know
30 posted on 11/03/2012 2:39:55 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: OddLane

Iris DeMint’s voice makes me long for the sweet release of death. YIKES!!


31 posted on 11/03/2012 2:40:00 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: OddLane

Someone gave me a rather rational explanation why I don’t like any new “music” - there’s no melody. More precisely, the music most of us know and like, no matter what the style, consisted of SONGS. Songs have a beginning, middle and end. Most of what’s popular today doesn’t have that - it’s more like never-ending chants with no variation.


32 posted on 11/03/2012 2:48:21 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Lacey2

I rarely cuss but that is DAMB right!


33 posted on 11/03/2012 2:53:23 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: OddLane
I was a Performance major in college. Then along came this new major, Music Industry.
No comment on that.
I did miss out on a few gigs because I refused to join the union.
34 posted on 11/03/2012 3:00:06 PM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: OddLane

Whatever.


35 posted on 11/03/2012 3:00:47 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: OddLane

I’m sorry, but IMO she has about the most grating voice going. And I listen to a wide range of music.


36 posted on 11/03/2012 3:04:34 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: OddLane

Those dadburned beatniks what with their jitterbugging and gitfiddle music... why, in my day we would walk 14 miles to listen to the circus calliope when it came to town... and we wore an onion on our belt because that was the style back then...


37 posted on 11/03/2012 3:05:36 PM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: OddLane

“Far out Johnny well I heard him say, stretched out back on the waterbed...Bluegrass music is a thing of the past and the same for rockn’roll. So I loaned him two or three dollars and he gave me the latest news... and left me here with a Rolling Stone and the Steam Boat Whistle Blues”

—”SteamBoat Whistle Blues- John Hartford (Aereoplain)

So, FreeperFolks here’s two examples of contemporary solid
music:
Lonesome River Band (Sammy Shelor Banjo Winner w/ Steve Martin): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6yPxxnmCac
Song written by the great Larry Cordle (Murder on Music Row)

AND, “Privateering” new from Mark Knopfler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM2IELQilSQ
“Lay with pretty women and drink the demon wine,
to hear the roar of thunder off a shore that isn’t
mine... Privateering.

It’s out there— gotta look. Deo Vindice. (and Go Mitt)


38 posted on 11/03/2012 3:06:51 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: OddLane

Then there is what is considered “good” music, and what I consider two keys to guaranteed success: (1) Pretentiousness, (2) Avangardism. See examples linked below. (I am afraid this “diva” will soon be fashioned as a new Streisand and we’ll never get rid of her. And why Chris Thile, as good as he is, got the half a million $ genius grant as if he were a starving artist, I dunno.)

http://acltv.com/episode/the-civil-warspunch-brothers/


39 posted on 11/03/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: OddLane

LOL.....thanks a lot, my speakers just blew up in righteous indignation.


40 posted on 11/03/2012 3:17:11 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Anyone listening to the radio looking for good music is an idiot...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Our classical station is pretty good, and our jazz station plays jazz sometimes. But thanks anyway.


41 posted on 11/03/2012 3:17:27 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

;0)


42 posted on 11/03/2012 3:17:57 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: dirtboy
People say the same thing about Kasey Chambers.

I think their voices are unique, but I know they get on some people's nerves.

43 posted on 11/03/2012 3:26:24 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane

Pretty much everything, starting with the complete banishing of any semblance of a melody.


44 posted on 11/03/2012 3:39:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Chode

True but that’s not “radio radio”... ;-)


45 posted on 11/03/2012 3:41:40 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: OddLane
I'm really tired of Rap-Crap, as I call it.
The only thing more vile is GERMAN rap. Ugh!

46 posted on 11/03/2012 3:42:18 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Lacey2

Very true. I was referring o commercial OTA radio.


47 posted on 11/03/2012 3:43:03 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: John S Mosby
Steve Martin is a lot better than I anticipated.

Not a world class musician, but after listening to some of his stuff on Oscar Brand's Folk Song Festival I came away pretty impressed.

48 posted on 11/03/2012 3:50:54 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
agreed, that's why there's so much to say for it!!! 8^)

i haven't listened to regular radio in the car for years and prolly never will again as like you already know, it's a wasteland...

49 posted on 11/03/2012 3:51:23 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OddLane
And if art is a matter of taste, and not subject to critical scrutiny, then so it is with music, which is simply a subset of art.

According to Aristotle, man is the rational animal; his mind is the source of his distinctive actions, including his creative ones. The process of creativity, in this view, does not consist on gaining a mystic insight or in reacting to a neural twitch; rather, it is a form of thought. If so, the thought of artists, scientists, and other cultural creators would be like that of men in other fields; it too would be guided by a method, by a mode of integration. So the creators of really lousy music such as rap and hip hop are guilty of defective methods of thought.

50 posted on 11/03/2012 4:13:32 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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