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The only religion that my patients see me practice is medicine [and secular humanism]
KevinMD ^ | November 1st, 2012 | Jennifer Gunter, MD

Posted on 11/02/2012 11:14:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

When I was the director of undergraduate medical education for OB/GYN at a Midwestern university (a state school), it came to my attention that a medical student was refusing to have anything to do with contraception as it was against her religion.

So I spoke with her. I explained that over the course of her career she would undoubtedly see people from all walks of life with a myriad of religious and or personal practices. I explained that medical care is not about fulfilling any personal need beyond the need to help.

I gave the example of a doctor who is a Jehovah’s Witness. Refusing to order a blood transfusion would be both unethical and malpractice.

I had an OB/GYN who practiced the same religion discuss how he felt that he could prescribe contraception and still honor his Church.

None of this mattered. In her eyes prescribing contraception was an affront to her religion.

“What if you don’t council a patient about condoms and she gets HIV?” I asked.

No answer.

“Do you think it’s ethical for a woman to take time out of her day to come for a well-woman exam and not leave with the contraception that she wants and needs?”

Silence.

“What if that woman leaves your office without birth control, gets pregnant, and is then beaten to death by her partner as pregnancy puts her at increased risk for domestic violence related homicide?” I persisted.

“My patients will know I won’t prescribe birth control or discuss condoms. They will get the Creighton method,” she said.

“How? Will you have a sign? Will your receptionist tell every patient who calls?” I asked.

If the answer had been, “I realize my personal belief system puts me at odds odds with the standard of care so I’m headed for pathology,” I would have commended her for her insight and given her a passing grade with a note about her contraception issues on her transcript.

But she responded that she was going to be a family doctor.

I spoke with the Chief of OB/GYN and the Dean of the Medical School. They agreed that refusing to be involved in any way with contraceptive or safe sex counseling should result in a failing grade on the clinical component of the rotation.

They agreed, that is until she lawyered up. A public fight about teaching contraception would just be too much, you know?

Shortly thereafter I resigned as the director of medical education for OB/GYN and left for a different state.

If a doctor can refuse to discuss contraception, essentially proselytizing to patients, then we should not be surprised that some pharmacists will refuse to dispense it and be protected by the law.

Ask yourself, do you want your own health care provider to consider their own religious or personal beliefs first before offering you medical care? If so, then everything is up for grabs. Everything. From blood transfusions and addiction medicine to fertility therapies and weight loss therapies because it all depends on how you interpret any given scripture.

The only religion that my patients see me practice is medicine. Anything else, in my opinion, is malpractice.

Jennifer Gunter is an obstetrician-gynecologist and author of The Preemie Primer. She blogs at her self-titled site, Dr. Jen Gunter.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: academicbias; antitheism; culturewar; napl; religiousliberty; secularhumanism; sexpositiveagenda; thepowerofprayer; thoughtcrime
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"What if the baby I prevented would have grown up to cure AIDS?" See, I can play pull-it-out-of-my-*ss too! Apparently freedom of conscience only applies to those who agree with Dr Gunter.

In a few years I will finish pharmacy school and have the honor of explaining to these people why giving Vicodin prescriptions to alcoholics is a bad idea.

1 posted on 11/02/2012 11:14:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
Not standard NAPL fare, I know, but the sheer arrogance of these would-be health-care czars has me so frustrated that I'm ready to bite the head off of a live rat.*

[*No rats were harmed in the making of this rant.]


2 posted on 11/02/2012 11:20:47 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
But on the bright side, the story has a happy ending. The student wouldn't be railroaded, she pulled a trick the progs typically use by lawyering-up, and the left-tard resigned and went to practice somewhere else. Presumably the liberal is now practicing medicine in a state where no person of conscience would live if they didn't have to, and the student is practicing medicine with patients who share her ethics.

It's the beauty of Federalism.

3 posted on 11/02/2012 11:22:11 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Post Hoc, ergo propter hoc," is no way to reason through life, son.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You are going to be a pharmacist?


4 posted on 11/02/2012 11:24:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: FredZarguna

At the very least, I hope the doc is no longer in academia. Medical school is hard enough.


5 posted on 11/02/2012 11:25:20 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Just be honest and transparent. Patient can then decide if they are okay with it.


6 posted on 11/02/2012 11:26:49 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

“She blogs at her self-titled site, Dr. Jen Gunter.”

I went to her site...VERY enlightening. Her most recent entry argues that Romney/Ryan are not pro-life. One of the reasons? They aren’t in favor of MANDATORY organ donation. Not an opt-out instead of opt-in system, but mandatory. That’s bleeping scary. Not unexpected, but bleeping scary.

Plenty of other rot on the site, too.


7 posted on 11/02/2012 11:27:18 PM PDT by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: ansel12
You are going to be a pharmacist?

Yep, although what kind of pharmacist I'm not yet sure about. (Hopefully a good one.)

8 posted on 11/02/2012 11:28:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

So, is Dr. Gunter by trying to keep the young MD from practicing her medical specialty guilty of imposing the same self restricting judgement on the young MD that she is accusing her of doing?

i.e. if you don’t agree with my opinion then I will limit your ability to exercise your opinions.


9 posted on 11/02/2012 11:28:44 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Slings and Arrows
You are going to be a pharmacist?

Wish you the best! Going to include natural stuff as well?

10 posted on 11/02/2012 11:30:33 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: Tennessean4Bush

No,no - you misunderstand. Patients making their own decisions is only OK if they make the right decisions. Otherwise, they have to be told what do by Dr Jen and other people who think like her.


11 posted on 11/02/2012 11:31:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Per her subtitle under her name on her blog:

“WIELDING THE LASSO OF TRUTH”

my addition (as she interprets it!)


12 posted on 11/02/2012 11:33:03 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Got it in one. The authoritarian definition of freedom of conscience: “I am free to exercise my conscience, and you are free to exercise my conscience.”


13 posted on 11/02/2012 11:34:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Wow, Doktor Gunter fires off loaded question after loaded question. And then tries to pass herself off as logical. How can this doktor be credible in any way?


14 posted on 11/02/2012 11:34:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DemforBush

Dr Jen would get along well with Michael Bloomberg and David Kessler.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 11:35:48 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: jwsea55

Nutraceuticals are included in the curriculum. Some are safe and efficacious. Others...not so much.


16 posted on 11/02/2012 11:38:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: tired&retired

Doesn’t surprise me at all to find out she’s a Dom. ;^)


17 posted on 11/02/2012 11:39:49 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I love Pharmacists, they are experts, and they are the cross between an MD and an army medic to those of us that are wise enough to ask for them for advice and recommendations, and that can't afford doctors.

Pharmacists are straight shooters, problem solvers, in the ever more evasive, slippery, and remote, world of medicine.

18 posted on 11/02/2012 11:41:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Olog-hai
Wow, Doktor Gunter fires off loaded question after loaded question. And then tries to pass herself off as logical.

It's Proof-by-Intimidation.

19 posted on 11/02/2012 11:42:04 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"In a few years I will finish pharmacy school and have the honor of explaining to these people why giving Vicodin prescriptions to alcoholics is a bad idea."

You know as much as I hate to get serious about anything (ever) I feel compelled to point out that apart from the addictive consequences of such prescribing, there's a *huge* medical reason as well.

Alcohol + Acetominophen = Liver Damage (real quick like) and very likely real quick death as well.

It's a kind of chemical synergy thingy.
20 posted on 11/02/2012 11:42:25 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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