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1 posted on 10/30/2012 5:10:18 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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This is very true. The extent of the deception in Benghazi is just insulting and creepy. To feel that level of mistrust when lives have been lost is too much. The moderates and conservatives are galvanized, and the likes NY times is bankrupt, morally and economically.


2 posted on 10/30/2012 5:21:37 AM PDT by mgist
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Good post and cogent observation. ‘Pod.


3 posted on 10/30/2012 5:24:13 AM PDT by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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Newspapers and the alphabet networks are losing subscribers.
Can anyone guess why ?
4 posted on 10/30/2012 5:44:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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Thanks for the very thoughtful thread. There is nothing about The Media that is “Mainstream.” I call their revisionist profession the Liberal Agenda Media, (LAM), or the Censoring Liberal Agenda Media, (CLAM).

Individual CLAM was showcased in Debate 2 when the debate was “Crowleyed” by the Moderator.

Collusion CLAM is being showcased now by omitting mention by all of the cowardly bloody incompetence of Obama, “The Benghazi Kid.”

One of the errors that Marketing tends to make is to assume that “The Market” is unified, and thus one approach is effective for all. The reality is that there are 300 million of us with widely varying interests.

In the field of The Media, the counter-culture LAM appeals to the counter-culture segment of our society, and the information-oriented Media appeals to the “Just the facts, please” audience.

FOX News Network tries to be 2-dimentionally diverse by presenting “both” sides of the same coin. However, the reality commonly is that it is often the wrong coin, and “none of the above” is commonly the correct answer.

In business and Science, ideas are frequently tested. The same cannot be said for The Media. The slow drip, drip of declining paid subscriptions weakens in the long term, but does not hold The Media accountable in the short term.

I challenge you to propose a suitable, effective, accountability test for The Media.


5 posted on 10/30/2012 6:03:27 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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The NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post and the alphabet networks all compete for the Liberal eyeball, leaving the field entirely open to a competitor who tries to represent the interests the rest of the American people.

Fairly typical of the left and why their winning streaks peter out after a short time.

Several industries have gone through a liberal takeover with similar results. One of the more infamous examples is America's The Big Three automakers' fall from grace in the 70s, followed by companies like Honda, Toyota and Datsun/Nissan filling the void and taking the market that The Big Three had more or less willingly abandoned.

The Lame Stream Media and entertainment industries, along with public and higher education are some of the latest examples.

6 posted on 10/30/2012 6:09:39 AM PDT by GBA (Vote as if your Freedom depended on it...)
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Did Obama withhold Cross-Border Authority?

Please help me. I am trying as hard as I can to get out the word about cross-border authority. I just can't believe reporters don't know enough to ask the right questions! It's infuriating. Libya, as far as standing down the rescue, is 100% Obama's show, and nobody else's. Only he can grant CBA, not Biden, not Panetta, not Dempsey, not Hillary, and certainly not Ham in Germany.

The entire episode is explained perfectly inside the context of not granting CBA. The CIA QRF in Tripoli? No problem, send them on the local Tripoli station chief's say-so. He merely informs up COC that he has done so. CCs them so to speak. "This is what I am doing." Ditto if Predators were in country, no problem using them.

But the big rescue air armada streaming toward Libya right away after the alarm got to Stuttgart and Africom? That has to stop. I believe at the 5pm meeting with Panetta and Biden in the Oval Office, he said, "No outside military intervention," on the basis that the last report was the "lull" from the consulate, at about 1030 p.m. in Benghazi, when the attack appeared to be over and the situation stabilizing.

(As a soft exception, Obama may have authorized sending an unarmed Predator from outside of Libya, but I am thinking the two Predators were already in-country, and hence available to use within “no CBA granted” rules.)

"No outside military intervention" equals "no cross-border authority" and that constitutes "standing orders" until POTUS changes them. Nobody else can “un-decide” the POTUS decree. The rescue air-armada of C-17s, C-130s and SOF helos like MH-47 Chinooks and Pavehawks cannot proceed directly to Libya without CBA being granted, so instead they are all staged at Sigonella, Sicily.

USN ships are in position to "lilypad" helos for long over-water flights. Airborne tankers are coming into position. SOF forces in Sigonella are going over their gear for different contingencies. Fuming all night as officers keep checking in with operational commanders. "Hold in place, no rescue yet. We can't find the President, it sounds like," say the colonels to the majors and captains. 100s of military must know about this. I keep waiting for the conclusive whistle-blowers to come forward BEFORE the election. After won't matter, it will be for the historians.

Panetta is falling on his sword for Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, "The military doesn't do risky things" defense of no rescue. Panetta is destroying his future reputation entirely, to save Obama. The question is why? Loyalty?

Petreaus was probably "used" in some way early, about the supposed CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his PAO, "The stand-down order did not come from CIA." Well, what is higher than CIA? Only White House. Obama, nobody else. Petreaus is naming Obama without naming him.

Now, as far as Obama / Huma Abedin / Valerie Jarrett etc actually wanting Ambassador Stevens dead, to terminate the end of the very dirty Libyan arms to Syrian AQ programs, I can't speculate. Obama is not competent enough I'm thinking.

But for sure, the ambassador going to unsecure Benghazi on 9-11 of all days stinks to me of a setup. You can bet Stevens would have told the Turks, "No, 9-11 is not a good day for us," and stayed in Tripoli behind many high and thick walls. For him to go to dangerous Benghazi on 9-11 means the Turks totally insisted, but why would they care about the meeting date, unless they were in on a “hit” as the Judas goat?

Alternatively, ordering Stevens to meet the Turks in Benghazi on 9-11 may have come from down OUR chain of command. Stevens seems to have been wearing two hats as ambassador and CIA arms shipper. Moving between more-secure Tripoli, the Benghazi "consulate," and the CIA "annex." So orders to him might come down the State or the CIA commo channels, or both. I am unclear on his job title and true position, but either the CIA or State sends him final instructions. How this works with “dual-hatted” ambassadors, I haven’t a clue.

But Stevens meeting the Turks at the unsecure Benghazi "consulate" on 9-11 stinks to me of a deliberate setup. The Turks left the meeting and probably flashed their headlights to the attack team commanders lurking in shadows. A coded text, a word on a phone, meaning, "The ambassador is there, with minimal security: proceed with the attack plan."

But that is all pure speculation. What I know FOR SURE is that the big "stand down order" issue revolves around granting or withholding cross-border authority.

Every SOF officer and ops officer all the way up has this drummed into his head. We can make Obama respond to this question, even if reporters must shout it at him while he's doing storm cleanup photo ops. If the reporters KNOW enough to ask the quesion. That's why I am shouting all over the internet about CBA.

I can't believe cross-border authority permission is not one of the top discussion points about Benghazi.

That, and who "set him up" by sending him to Beghazi to meet the Turks on 9-11, with them leaving after dark.

And of course, down the road, was the military rescue-in-progress turned back because Obama actually wanted to make sure the consulate was wiped out? Is that why the spooks at the annex were refused permission to travel the under one mile to intervene? That would connect it all together, but for now, the best focus is on Obama either granting or withholding cross-border authority for the rescue.

Feel free to repost these musings of a long-ago SOF officer anywhere you please.


7 posted on 10/30/2012 6:15:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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This segment on Hannity last might made me cry. Please share with others. Thanks!

Powerful Hannity Show - 10/29/12 - Father of SEAL Ty Woods killed in Libya demands truth from WH

9 posted on 10/30/2012 2:34:25 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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