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Nanny State Update: a State Grant to Spy on you While you Drive and a Ban on Another Snack
Cost of Government Center ^ | 2012-10-19 | [Staff]

Posted on 10/22/2012 10:07:51 AM PDT by 92nina

The nanny-staters have been busy this week finding every way they can attack your freedom.

Grant aimed at creating a force of peeping-toms: If you live in Massachusetts and Connecticut, watch out! The Department of Transportation has announced a grant for expanding these states’ ability to spy on drivers to make sure they are not texting while driving. Besides the obvious invasion of privacy, this money is wasted on preventing a behavior that is not linked to a marked increase in traffic fatalities. “The irony here is that the statistics really don’t bear out the ideas that these things are really as deadly as the federal government keeps telling us,” say a senior fellow of the Cato Institute. The government is spending thousands on creating a force of peeping-toms that will do nothing but peer into your car and pull you over if you do not behave the way they desire.

A ban on “hazardous” and “messy” snacks: No more Cheetos for kids at the LBJ Middle School in New Mexico. Another school has joined the crusade against allowing parents to dictate what snacks their kids can eat in schools. The school sent a letter home stating that this snack should be left home due to what the schools claims as “poor nutrition,” a cause of the spread of germs and a mess. The teacher who initiated the ban claimed it is a “health hazard” and a mess. One wonders what the next snack to be placed on the “messy” and “hazardous” list will be.

Purposed ban on people trying to make a living: St. Petersburg, Florida has decided to place many people out of a job for misguided safety concerns. The city is considering a ban on “sign spinners,” or people who are paid to stand on the road and advertise for companies. Council members claim that the safety of these sigh holders is there concern. However, one business owner says he knows of not a single incident where a sign spinner is harmed from being out near the street. Furthermore, one spinner, who was recently homeless, will end up back on the street if this ban is passed: “If they do that than if puts me right back where I came from.”

Another city to ban smoking outdoors: Despite overwhelming opposition from members of the community, Hopkinsville, Kentucky has banned all smoking in the city. Even worse this ban forces businesses to act as the soldiers for the mayor’s war on freedom. This is the most recent victory for the anti-smoking zealots, making Hopkinsville the seventh city in Kentucky to ban smoking city-wide.

Stay off your own lawn: In Irondale, Alabama, families will be banned from parking in their own front yards. In a 3-2 vote during a town meeting, the council banned parking in the front yard, with a $50 dollar fine for violating. In a show of arrogance, one council member said that if people actually opposed this, more would have shown up to the meeting that was announced 2 days prior and was held at 4 pm on a work day. Opponents rightly criticize this ban for it will disproportionately harm low-income and large families who need, in many cases, to park in their own yards.


TOPICS: Food; Government; Local News; Travel
KEYWORDS: connecticut; govtabuse; massachusetts; tyranny
This week's nanny state update: a new state program to spy on you while you drive and a foolish ban on Cheetos.
1 posted on 10/22/2012 10:07:55 AM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina
To be a democrat you have to believe:

1. That 13,000 of new government regulations of Obamacare are a good thing.
2. That socialism (government works).
3. That government bureaucrats controlling what we eat and drink they do it for our own good.

etc.

2 posted on 10/22/2012 10:10:41 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: 92nina
texting . . . a behavior that is not linked to a marked increase in traffic fatalities.

Seriously? Are you saying texting is a safe driving behavior? Spying is one thing. Lying to support your case is another.

3 posted on 10/22/2012 10:13:32 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: 92nina

To be a democrat you have to believe:

1. That 13,000 PAGES of new government regulations of Obamacare are a good thing.
2. That socialism (government works).
3. That government bureaucrats controlling what we eat and drink they do it for our own good.

etc.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 10:14:13 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: 92nina

I don’t mind police looking in to see if drivers are texting and driving. I hate the nanny state as much as the next guy but if you are in your car, people can look in through the window. If you are texting, you should be pulled over. There are many more nanny-state laws that bother me worse than this.


5 posted on 10/22/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: aimhigh

Wasn’t there a train engineer “texting while driving” who got his train derailed/collided a few years back in LA, killing a bunch of people?


6 posted on 10/22/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: aimhigh

The government and Obama are the enemy and threat not texters.

To give these Marxists power over us for ANY reason is pure insanity. This is how they got the foot in the door and now what do we have this huge growing government at all levels.


7 posted on 10/22/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The media create fake threats constantly (as in the global warming hoax).

so then people say “Why they ought to do something, write a law”

So now they banned 100 watt light bulbs, soon cars will have to have ridiculously high gas mileage and they are destroying our coal , oil industries with the EPA all because of the fake threat of global warming.

And they do this constantly . Now we have to wear seat belts or they will harass us.

The only real threat is Obama and the government and the media. you all empower them and allow them to control your mind.

funny that i never had a texter wreck into me and so what if it does. guess you all are for Bloomber and Obama puttin texters and 32 oz soda drinkers in prison too. ridiculous

8 posted on 10/22/2012 10:23:27 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: 92nina

“these sigh holders is there concern”

And there may be a sigh ... from their sign-holders.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 10:25:06 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 92nina

>>this money is wasted on preventing a behavior that is not linked to a marked increase in traffic fatalities.

Fatalities? Perhaps. What about auto accidents? In the last 4 years, I have been rear-ended by a person texting and my wife was rear-ended by a person texting. I’ve been driven onto the shoulder by texters many times. I’ve seen texters startled by a red light turning green in the lane beside them and jumping out in the intersection on a red turn light.

If I had a choice between sharing the road with drunks or texters, I’d choose the drunks because at least they are looking out the windshield.


10 posted on 10/22/2012 10:25:44 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 92nina

“...a behavior that is not linked to a marked increase in traffic fatalities”

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The author needs to substantiate this. Personally, I think that “texting” very much contributes to automobile accidents, injuries and fatalities.


11 posted on 10/22/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Bryanw92

Well you should get Bloomberg and Obama to ban cars or humans so you will be safe.

Actually its government roads that are the problem.

with private roads then you could choose from among alternatives what kind of road and who was allowed on that private road , you know freedom , freedom of choice. the problem is not texters , it’s GOVERNMENT roads.


12 posted on 10/22/2012 10:28:37 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: SumProVita
Those who choose a little perceived security promised by government politicians over loosing freedom , deserve neither.
13 posted on 10/22/2012 10:31:02 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Democrat_media

I don’t think you can lump them together. Nanny state is banning light bulbs and soda. I’m against that. Those things hurt no one but yourself. Texting and driving is a hazard and a fairly obvious one — no one can be reading something and watching the road at the same time. It doesn’t bother me anymore than the police giving someone a ticket for any other violation does.


14 posted on 10/22/2012 10:38:12 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Democrat_media

I don’t happen to think that ALL laws are a menace to my freedom. Example: I like laws that require a photo ID to vote.

;-)


15 posted on 10/22/2012 10:40:36 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Careful....you’re using common sense.

;-)


16 posted on 10/22/2012 10:42:24 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
You trust government and government police to keep you safe from texters? How is the crime in the U.S.? So you want to give these government morons more power . This is their plan , they keep getting more and more power over us (more laws and regulations every week). What you don't have enough government yet? I say enough of government . government is the problem not texters or anything the media says. We have to stand up to the media and government not be fooled into giving them more power. their goal is total power and with each law you allow them to write ( for our own good of course) then you get them closer to their goal.

It's up to you to keep yourself safe.

17 posted on 10/22/2012 10:42:35 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: SumProVita

You trust government and government police to keep you safe from texters? How is the crime in the U.S.? So you want to give these government morons more power . This is their plan , they keep getting more and more power over us (more laws and regulations every week). What you don’t have enough government yet? I say enough of government . government is the problem not texters or anything the media says. We have to stand up to the media and government not be fooled into giving them more power. their goal is total power and with each law you allow them to write ( for our own good of course) then you get them closer to their goal. Yeah sure they won’t abuse all the power we are giving them over us of course government idiots are perfect angels. You people are against freedom .

It’s up to you to keep yourself safe.


18 posted on 10/22/2012 10:44:55 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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I do not like the overreach, but texting is definitely a dangerous behavior while driving. I’m guilty of it myself, and have had a few close calls because of it, and am no longer doing it no matter how much I want to. I fully believe that texting is more dangerous than drinking (unless severely drunk). When you are drinking, you are still looking at the road, your reaction times may be diminished somewhat, but when you are looking at the road you at least have the opportunity to react. If you are not looking at the road you will not react, and you can easily start drifting to the left or right and not realize it.


19 posted on 10/22/2012 10:48:43 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: SumProVita
We have too much government (too many laws). We need to start reducing laws not giving these government idiots more power . you look to government to save you from this great threat of texters. so how are you not a socialist? I look to myself and the private sector for solutions . Plus the world has always been dangerous and for you all to expect government to make it perfect or better is ridiculous. 2 wrongs don't make a right. you can work by yourself or with the private sector to minimize any thing you consider a threat much better than government could. it's obvious you think government can do a better job of protecting you from anything than the private sector and yourself can.

I can protect myself from crime , I have security alarms , guns etc from the private sector. thousands of women and men and children have been raped and murdered because they didn't arm themselves ( some of them trusted gov to keep them safe).

20 posted on 10/22/2012 10:52:49 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: aimhigh

There’s a difference between texting being safe and it being dangerous enough not only to be illegal but for the state to pay people to look for it. There are a million car activities that increase the likelihood of crashes yet aren’t necessarily illegal, from conversing with your carmates to fumbling with the radio/cs’s to eating to leaning over for whatever reason. Is texting like these, or is it more like drunk driving? I don’t know. One thing I do know is we are irrational when it comes to new technology, and the antitexting movement might be a mania.


21 posted on 10/22/2012 11:05:21 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Bryanw92

If you trust texters more than drunks you are an idiot and don’t deserve to be listened to on the issue.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 11:07:19 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 92nina
Cheetos are good.

Worst ban we ran into when our kids were in gradeschool occurred when a nosey teacher discovered we always sent the kids in with fresh made french croissants ~ with chocholate chips, and sometimes with pate chaude.

The Vietnamese French bakery just down the street was on the right schedule.

The teacher told my spouse that such buns ~ SHE CALLED THEM BUNS ~ were not allowed because they were too flakey, and that she should come up with something other than Chinese food for morning snack!

I don't believe we complied. Now about life's lesson, when our youngest was visiting the Louvre several years back with a college group he found a kiosk based bread and cheese store in the vicinity and ate these fantastic lunches of fresh croissant with 2 or 3 kinds of cheese just now cut off a block by the proprietor. When too busy looking through the galleries he'd knock off a bowl of artichoke hearts ~ one of life's nicer surprises.

But buns? We never served just buns!

23 posted on 10/22/2012 11:24:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tublecane
If you trust texters more than drunks you are an idiot and don’t deserve to be listened to on the issue.

I cringe anymore when I see the word "drunks". Through years and years of activism MADD has gotten every state to lower the BAC level for "drunk" to .08. That's 3 beers for a 200 pound man and 1 beer for a 98 pound woman. Give me that over texters anyday.

MADD is now shooting for .05 BAC. That would mean that no woman under about 130 pounds would legally be able to have a single beer, drink or glass of wine. Not one.

24 posted on 10/22/2012 12:04:02 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tublecane

>>If you trust texters more than drunks you are an idiot and don’t deserve to be listened to on the issue.

Another text-and-drive person heard from! BTW, the person who texts and drives is the idiot. I was being a little bit facetious, but subtlety is lost on people with two-digit IQs, isn’t it?


25 posted on 10/22/2012 1:14:59 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: aimhigh; Bryanw92; SumProVita

Rereading the article, I do agree that the author should cite the source for the claim that texting isn’t a high accident factor. Interestingly, here in Virginia, texting is a secondary offence when driving.


26 posted on 10/22/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by 92nina
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To: 92nina

Found that Cato-Text quote in this article
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82605_Page2.html
Grant aims to help police tag texting drivers in the act


27 posted on 10/22/2012 3:04:12 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Democrat_media

I am quite self-reliant. My MAIN trust is in God.

You are correct in that we have far too many laws, some of which are ridiculous. This does not mean that ALL laws are ridiculous. I trust in God, my good (and defensive) driving skills and I LIKE a law against texting...because it WILL reduce my chances of having to deal with an inattentive idiot behind the wheel.

That does NOT make me a socialist....not by a long shot.

You said: “You people are against freedom .” (sic)

NO, we are for common sense. Your generalization is illogical.


28 posted on 10/23/2012 6:31:32 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
There is NO compromise with evil(government) . We say enough, you shall not pass(no more laws).

You people have no idea what this struggle is about.

This is a struggle between collectivism and individual freedom.

On the one had you have the government and on the other an individual . Is it a wonder we have 2 parties? and other countries do too.

The socialists statists always come up with some “perfect” sounding justification to take more of our freedoms. Do you not see their goal? It is to make us slaves , to empower the government.

It is their ( the statists/socialists) goal to tilt the balance even more to the government. what chance do we have if a city hall , an IRS decides to target us? an individual is small already and you want to empower government and government idiots more? every week there are more laws and regulations at all levels of government and you don't see this as a problem yet texters are? See the government and the media ( the democrats) pit us against other Americans be it the rich ( their original threat) then it's textters or whatever , there will be another manufactured threat next week etc.

Let's take the example of crime ok? I can as a thinking individual can use the freeedom remaining in the free market to make myself safe by buying guns, fences, security alarms , carrying a gun etc. as our freedom goes as they will take our guns then how will we protect ourselves ?

So let's take the great threat of texters: ok what if I drive more carefully or less or get a safer car , or learn about defensive driving ? no you would have the government protect you from texters and that would give you a FALSE sense of security ( as the many who didn't carry a gun and got tortured raped and murdered by criminals did) and you wouldn't drive more carefully . look this is just of the top of my head and I'm sure you will ridicule me for grammer etc. but I am very busy and writing fast.

29 posted on 10/23/2012 6:59:20 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Democrat_media

You people have no idea what this struggle is about.

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I beg to differ. I know VERY well against whom we struggle.

Ephesians 6:12 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.”


30 posted on 10/23/2012 3:58:18 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Democrat_media

So let’s take the great threat of texters: ok what if I drive more carefully or less or get a safer car , or learn about defensive driving ? no you would have the government protect you from texters and that would give you a FALSE sense of security

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You are making quite a few false assumptions.

I DO drive both carefully and defensively. I do NOT depend on Government for my personal safety from a person who texts while driving. I have NO false sense of security. I have excellent auto insurance and a safe car. I am a realist. I DO, however, want a law in place that punishes one who texts while driving....because that person puts all of our lives in greater jeopardy.

I also like the law that requires a driver’s license. :-)


31 posted on 10/23/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
It's the idea that government is the solution that is the danger.

When we allow government to get the foot in the door then they take the whole thing. We are already past the tipping point (or close to it ) to tyranny and socialism.

Obama has added 11,000 pages of government regulations, 13,000 new pages of government regulations in Obamacare alone that will be implemented next year. At all levels of government they are writing laws and adding regulations on us chocking businesses and destroying our freedom. The only power government has is to crack down on “law breakers” you are empowering government for a media created threat. The media create a million threats (everything from fast food to big sodas , even gasoline is destroying the planet they say. So now did you know that cars will have to soon meet ridiculous mileage standards,at a NATIONAl level they have even banned 100 watt incandescent light bulbs and are pushing these curly bulbs that have mercury in them (the insanity of government). I'm not even sure but I think that all incandescent bulbs will be banned soon. where will it end ? this is why they passed 2700 pages of laws of Obamacare . If we give up on texters or whatever your fav threat is then it makes it easier for them to pass something you don't agree with like Obamacare. They even force us and car companies to put in seat belts yet all the sheep comply . you agree with that seatbelt too?

The individual is small and powerless against the government . so is a private business. but you are for empowering this government even more? This is a fight between individualism vs collectivism .you cannot be for empowering government without being a collectivists( socialist). They even put that film maker in jail for making that innocence of Muslims movie. the IRS can crack down on anyone one and even more so with Obamacare.

32 posted on 11/02/2012 12:22:28 PM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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