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Where's The Line America?
website ^ | 9/30/12 | Ken Ivory

Posted on 09/30/2012 12:21:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins

Utah is Leading America in taking back STATES rights...get YOUR State Senators and Reps to follow suit....


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KEYWORDS: propertyrights; statesrights
There is great info here....and great charts....Time to take back our rights is NOW.
1 posted on 09/30/2012 12:21:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins

Pete Hoekstra recently took some heat for saying that he’d like to see the 17th amendment overturned. I personally think it would be a major step in the right direction.


2 posted on 09/30/2012 12:25:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: goodnesswins

The line was crossed decades ago. The collapse is both inevitable and nigh.


3 posted on 09/30/2012 12:27:42 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: goodnesswins
If we are going to talk about that old thing called the Constitution we'd better come up to speed ASAP about Agenda 21..

You won't believe the stealth..

Ms Rosa Koire (Democrats Against Agenda 21) was a guest on a "nonpartisan" radio show very recently and did a terrific job exposing Agenda 21 and the literally hundreds of disguises it wears.. she is personable and an excellent presenter. Don't let "Democrats" turn you off.. she became a Democrat back when the Democratic Party was a traditional, patriotic political party and friend of America (my description).

Another very knowledgeable source is William Jasper ( the John Birch Society -- I remember the New American book stores which in the 1950s and 1960s were my talk radio and Internet. The comsymp, pinko progressives owned TV network news, most newspapers and magazines.) Jasper is also an excellent presenter and actually has been on this since being at the Rio conference in 1992 as likely the only conservative (truthful) journalist there.

The effectiveness of a patriotic organization is directly proportional to the amount of fear it causes progressives and the hatred it receives from progressives. I remember Robert Welch and the John Birch Society and how they drove the left beyond nuttiness.. that explains today's Rat Party.

4 posted on 09/30/2012 12:39:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I was reading that the city near me has lowered their standards to condemn houses more easily so they can tear them down and reduce the number of rental properties. I don’t recall the name of the program but it was another sustainability scam.

Seems that houses bought in the cities are most often bought to turn them into rental units.


5 posted on 09/30/2012 12:55:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Been all over that for a year...see www.ISPYRADIO.com
Ken Ivory says (I heard him speak yesterday) that if you mention “Agenda 21,” legislators as a rule, count you immediately as a weirdo....we have to find better ways to fight, and States Rights seems the better way....besides he says Agenda 21 was late to the party...this all started in the 1960’s by Jane Jacobs who wanted us all to live in places modeled after Greenwich Village....


6 posted on 09/30/2012 12:57:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: goodnesswins

Hum? I thought you were presenting a comparative study not all Utah all the time study.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 1:15:21 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: goodnesswins

The state assemblies are even more loaded with enviro-regulator commies who are harder to unseat. We’ll see freedom again, when we can see those “smokestack industries” so hated by them from nearly any place in every state.


8 posted on 09/30/2012 1:27:45 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: svcw

You thought wrong...and I probably didn’t make it clear. Utah seems to be the leader....Arizona seems to be working in the same direction, as well as others, but I don’t think any state has formalized their intentions as much as Utah.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 1:28:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: familyop

Tell me about IT! I’m in Oregon.


10 posted on 09/30/2012 1:30:03 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: goodnesswins

Ok, maybe. I did not see any comparison, just information about Utah.
I’ll look again.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 1:43:25 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

I didn’t post it as a comparison...so the only comparison you will likely find is the research you’ve seen elsewhere


12 posted on 09/30/2012 2:10:08 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: cripplecreek
The last time my dipwad Senator Bill Nelson (Rat-FL) visited our little town (5k) in north FL for a grip and grin, in 2010, I referred to Senators in general as three term congressmen, except they were far more pompous and dangerous due to six year terms. His eyes expressed for a split second a contempt I cannot describe.

The 17th was one of the progressive planks designed to corrupt a once free republic. It worked. Democracy and the administrative state are killing us.

13 posted on 09/30/2012 3:51:22 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Mitts father wrote an article condemning the John Burch Society and Goldwater who was endorsed by JBS. He walked out of the convention when Goldwater was nominated. I might be mistaken but I thought that Salt Lake City was an amnesty city.


14 posted on 09/30/2012 3:55:51 PM PDT by brightright
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15 posted on 09/30/2012 4:00:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jacquerie

While I’m not thrilled with the idea of the state legislature choosing our senators, I do think it held them more accountable to the state.

I do know that Michigan would have two republican senators today if it weren’t for the 17th amendment.


16 posted on 09/30/2012 4:03:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes I remembered it. I was a member of the JBS and campaigned for Goldwater. I am afraid the Tea Party will go the way of the JBS and be labeled as extremist to under mind their goals. Right now the dems. are doing it but I am afraid soon the GOP RINOs will join.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 4:13:58 PM PDT by brightright
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Not if you make the argument with them about Constitutional Government...and make them argue against it!!!!


18 posted on 09/30/2012 4:17:21 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: brightright

Yes I remember George Romney.. and the 1964 convention. I am still searching for that photo of Nelson Rockefeller at the podium giving the finger to Goldwater delegates booing him.


19 posted on 09/30/2012 5:00:59 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I believe Mitt and the RINOS will do the same thing to the Tea Party that was done to the JBS.


20 posted on 09/30/2012 5:05:44 PM PDT by brightright
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RE: I believe Mitt and the RINOS will do the same thing to the Tea Party that was done to the JBS.

Which will it be? Co-opt or destroy the Tea Party?

IMO Dick Armey tried and failed to co-opt the tea party movement.. there is precedent and some might argue that the California recall of Gov. Davis was a tea party effort. California Republicans co-opted the recall effort after months of opposing it.

Once it was clear that California citizens' recall-the-governor effort was going to succeed and there would be a recall election the Republican Party abandoned the support of the Democrat governor, stopped trashing the citizens, and elbowed the citizens aside and claimed the effort was theirs.

The RNC take over of the Tea Party movement failed, so on to plan B. There is precedent for that

You are right the Republican establishment in the past did not try to take over Goldwater and the emerging modern conservative movement; instead..

Nelson Rockefeller according to Stuart Spencer (Rockefeller's public relations head) said, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race."

21 posted on 09/30/2012 5:31:33 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I believe they will try to destroy the Tea Party. They will co-opt only if forced to. I think the attacks on Palin and other conservatives will continue and the GOP will continue to distance them selves from conservatives. This may be the reason Palin was not seen at the convention or at any rallies.


22 posted on 09/30/2012 6:05:42 PM PDT by brightright
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