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Barack Obama's war on America's fresh water supply: China is buying up Lake Michigan!
Coach is Right ^ | 8/7/2012 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 09/07/2012 9:12:24 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

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To: whattajoke
it speaks volumes when the majority of commenters on this thread actually believe there’s any truth to this ludicrous nonsense.

I actually thought this was a parody/satire till I saw it was the "coachisright" blog - they're a bigger bunch of imbeciles than Wing Nut Daily.

51 posted on 09/07/2012 11:07:40 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Mr. Lucky
The answers to these questions should be before Congress, etc,. It is now happening that 'Agenda 21', is preventing farmers from doing many freedoms they have enjoyed in the past. Private property is one of the prized laws in America. Still there are rules and regulations, limiting the same. Many I disagree with ... EPA protections of various types of prairie chickens or water creatures, or some such. Not all regulations are superior to the needs of the nation. Some are.

Are you communist? Marxist?

52 posted on 09/07/2012 11:15:53 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

Are you aware that water barrels are coming under scrutiny in many states, including Illinois?

Isn’t ironic that Illinois is exporting water, while making laws to prevent its citizens from conserving water?

http://www.harvesth2o.com/statues_regulations.shtml


53 posted on 09/07/2012 11:16:08 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: geologist
What? You think I'm a communist or Marxist because I object to the confiscation of private property rights?

OK, upon a more calm consideration, it's apparent that your comments on this thread have been satirical. You had me there for a second.

54 posted on 09/07/2012 11:26:53 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
OK, upon a more calm consideration, it's apparent that your comments on this thread have been satirical. You had me there for a second.

As I've mentioned before there are so many impossibly stupid blog posts out there (and FR replies, for that matter) it's increasingly more difficult to tell satire from idiocy.

55 posted on 09/07/2012 11:28:55 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

It’s called ‘free trade’.

Corporations are allowed to loot natural resources from citizens to enhance the economies of communist dictators.

That’s what ‘free trade’ is all about.

In the mean time China funds eco nuts to sue to prevent water resources from being developed in this country, hence the reason most of the west is on water rationing in the summer time.

In crooked globalist politics— both political parties offend and harm citizens!


56 posted on 09/07/2012 11:30:40 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mr. Lucky

Under the Constitution, individuals have rights, not corporations.

Corporations, like the environment, have no rights. American citizens are the only entities that have legal binding rights in a constitutional republic.

Your comment is very troubling considering Nestle isn’t even an American company anymore, but is demanding ‘rights’ as a globalist entity that harm American citizens.


57 posted on 09/07/2012 11:34:42 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mr. Lucky

Let me clarify for you.

American citizens have unalienable rights from the creator.

Corporations exist when the are granted charters from the citizens with the unalienable rights.

This charter does not transfer rights to non human entities as you pretend it does.

The charter can also be revoked by the citizens with unalienable rights. Which is what we should do to Nestle for violating the trust of the American people.


58 posted on 09/07/2012 11:39:32 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mr. Lucky

You could be a communist or Marxist because you are defending the collective(Nestle corporation) against individual rights.


59 posted on 09/07/2012 11:40:49 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Lazamataz

I just noticed a grain of sand is missing from Santa Monica Beach. I bet Obama gave it to the chinese.


60 posted on 09/07/2012 11:51:52 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: cripplecreek

Sound more like environMENTAL crap, rather than holding all the water for the Chinese. As an aside, how can some environMENTAList think y’all’s puny wells can suck all the water out of Lake Michigan?


61 posted on 09/07/2012 11:54:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Nestle is owned by its shareholders; the water is drawn from its own property (in Stanwood, Michigan, by the way; 50 miles from Lake Michigan).

So back to my question: what other resources rights should the government confiscate from private owners? How about those nasty lime stone quarries at Rogers City? The copper up in the Keweenaw? The iron in Ipsheming? The oil and gas in Isabella County? The fish that the Chippewa pull out of Lake Huron at St. Ignace?

62 posted on 09/07/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: hedgetrimmer
In the mean time China funds eco nuts to sue to prevent water resources from being developed in this country, hence the reason most of the west is on water rationing in the summer time.

That is really my biggest concern. I don't believe they're hauling massive bladders of water to China but they are more than happy to drive increasing restrictions here. There has been an ongoing fight up north over private wells involving Nestle where the company complained that the people were taking for free what they paid for and it was interfering with their ability to make money. After all, the the interstate commerce clause began with a similar situation with a farmer making his own bread.
63 posted on 09/07/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mr. Lucky

They are not drawing water from their property. They are drawing water from presumably federal jurisdiction.

What water rights are associated from the property they own on the lake front? Do they have federal water rights or federal use permits? If they are withdrawing water where multiple water use permits are granted, if their withdrawal affects others with water use permits then they must provide remedy to the others or stop.

Remember, a corporation is not a person.


64 posted on 09/07/2012 11:59:50 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Unfortunately the environmentalists do get involved and further cloud a real issue (Which isn’t China buying huge amounts of water)

That doesn’t mean that Obama and friends aren’t doing all they can to screw us bitter clingers.


65 posted on 09/07/2012 12:05:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: hedgetrimmer

The point is that the Great Lakes has 6.9 QUADRILLION Gallons of Water. It’s not possible to measurably change their water level by selling bottled water taken from them and transported in boxes by containership.

Buying bottled water is imbecilic for anyone, of course, so to me it’s a huge win to rip off foreign countries buying bottled water at a huge markup.

The posted article is so impossibly idiotic it’s tough to cover all of them, but another is yet another effort to blame Obama for something that 1) Can’t possibly have ever reached his level for decision and 2) started during the Bush administration, anyway.


66 posted on 09/07/2012 12:08:30 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: hedgetrimmer
Nestle's plant is in Mecosta County which isn't any where near Lake Michigan. Mecosta County is in the watershed of Lakes Michigan and Huron, but then again virtually the entire State of Michigan is in the watershed of one of the four upper Great Lakes.

If the federal government owns the right to confiscate the mineral rights on property owned by Nestle, it holds the right to confiscate the property of each of us.

67 posted on 09/07/2012 12:09:05 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: geologist

“They most assuredly are America’s land...”

Your problem, as I see it, is that that the means of production is privately owned. All of that food is owned by someone and the owner’s are free to do with the fruits of their labor and capital as they see fit. How do you propose to keep all this food in America? Are you going to limit property rights?

“Many are the ones that would sell it all for money.”

So you propose to give the food away? I guess you also know the correct price for selling food and just how much is needed and by whom.

Your system goes by the name of Communism.


68 posted on 09/07/2012 12:26:56 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: cripplecreek

I think I have more water in my stock tank than is at issue here.


69 posted on 09/07/2012 2:34:37 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle; Strategerist

Nestle better be careful. Selling to the Chinese will come back to bite them- soon the market will literally be flooded with cheap knock-offs...


70 posted on 09/07/2012 2:39:01 PM PDT by philled (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: Mr. Lucky

You of course, don’t know if the corporation owns mineral or water rights to the property.

You of course do know that if someone is taking water from a state or federal body of water, that is different than drilling a well on a property with water rights in the deed.


71 posted on 09/07/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: FreedomNotSafety

A corporation is not ‘some one’. A corporation is not a person.

A corporation is a collective. The problem we are discussion is in fact global communism, as the globalists only recognize corporations as their constituents instead of individuals who in the past were the sovereigns with respect to our government.

Please get over the false claim that ‘someone’s’ rights are being violated. Corporations are not persons! They are business collectives that exist because the sovereign citizens grant them their existence.


72 posted on 09/07/2012 3:41:25 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Strategerist
The point is that the Great Lakes has 6.9 QUADRILLION Gallons of Water.

The POINT is national sovereignty, actually. We are not a sovereign nation when free traitors take over our natural resources to profit themselves and harm sovereign citizens. They have broken down the rights of citizens one by one with their global communist programs of 'free trade' and agenda 21. When a citizen is barred from using a state or federal body of water, but a corporation can, that is the problem. It is corruption and vile global communism.
73 posted on 09/07/2012 3:44:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mr. Lucky
The fish that the Chippewa pull out of Lake Huron

Ha ha. Funny you should bring up the unconstitutional 'state within a state' the federal government grants the indian tribes to make a point about unalienable rights for corporations. Ha ha.
74 posted on 09/07/2012 3:48:32 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: cripplecreek

Great points.

Too bad these globalists can put a logical thought together to understand what is happening in the country.


75 posted on 09/07/2012 3:49:51 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
The real value is under the lakes in the vast Antrim gas field but our congress in all its wisdom declared it to be off limits to even slant drilling from shore.

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76 posted on 09/07/2012 3:55:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Apparently they are pulling water out of the aquifer that is affecting the lives and properties of downstream landowners whose property used to have streams running through them and/or wells.

People here are arguing that global corporations have more ‘rights’ than citizens with long standing use of state waters downstream from their operations.


77 posted on 09/07/2012 3:56:55 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mr. Lucky
So back to my question: what other resources rights should the government confiscate from private owners?

Nestle is a 'private' owner now? I thought you said it had shareholders and shares were traded on the stock exchange. Nestle is a business collective, not a person.
78 posted on 09/07/2012 3:58:49 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Oldpuppymax
That makes me so mad! I remember reading at the beginning of her pResidency that he had assigned a Great Lakes czar. Now I know why. I think there was something else he was trying to do with the Great Lakes to our detriment, but I have forgotten.
79 posted on 09/07/2012 3:59:38 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: cripplecreek

Those chinese funded environmentalists again?


80 posted on 09/07/2012 4:00:11 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: cripplecreek

I kmow for a fact that there are two river basins in NC that are missing from this map. I own property in one of them and have been seeking to nip the idiotic county commissioners in the bud as far as a fracking ban, not that they possess the actual, legal authority to do so, but it turns public sentiment against it, which can lead to problems with actual authorities.


81 posted on 09/07/2012 4:00:50 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

As fa as I’m concerned we could power Michigan with hydroelectric from the hundreds of existing dams (Which the enviroweenies want gone) and treat the gas under the lakes as a cash crop.


82 posted on 09/07/2012 4:07:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“The water is being sold at a “240 times markup,” that is, well over 240 times its production costs. “

Americans buy all kinds of bottled water with the same markup. How is this any different?


83 posted on 09/07/2012 4:47:23 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Corporations are created in law and are not real people and exist only to further the grants and rights that given to them by a government.

But property rights do not cease to exist because they are exercised within a corporation. Whether food is produced by an individual or within a corporation it is still owned by individuals. Are you saying you would force a corporation to keep its food in the US but not an individual?

So if all of our food was produced by individuals you would not restrict them from selling all of it to the Chicoms if they so desired to?


84 posted on 09/07/2012 5:43:15 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: entropy12

This is a shell game. The anti-American ideology is used to hide simple crimes wrought large.


85 posted on 09/08/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by Mmmike
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To: FreedomNotSafety; Mr. Lucky; stars & stripes forever
I am a conservative. I believe in private property rights, gun ownership, desiring limited and gradual immigration, not having the government controlling our life, not spending more than is coming in, and a multitude of other issues.

Did you like how Hitler did it? Controlled the German people? We are supposed to learn from History which was /is the point of Russia taking all the wheat from the Ukraine and letting them starve to death by the millions. God help us all.

Agenda 21 is coming, already has some changes in effect. Have you looked it up and checked out what they are intending to execute in the near future? They (government progressives) want us out of our cars, they pretty much have already changed education. No history of America, founders, forefathers, excised God out of everything they can one by one. If we sit and believe the government will do the right thing, then we obviously have not paid attention for the last years. The public is pretty much brainwashed and with 49% of the people not paying any taxes, what chance is it they will ever not vote for the Democrats, whom they mistakenly believe is on their side of things for the poor? Hillary is now promoting 'world government'.

"1984" is upon us. Step by step and incrementally we have walked into the trap set for controlling us(the American people)

. What will we do if the president declares himself President for life," like Chavez did?

“what we have here is a failure to communicate ...” It is as if we are speaking/expressing in foreign languages.

Have a nice day. God is with His peoples.

86 posted on 09/08/2012 10:45:23 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

Russia stealing wheat from its farmers, and later the land as well, is no reason to pass laws forcing private individuals and companies to only sell the goods to Americans.

You have completely confused freedom with communism. What you propose is the very thing you seemed so troubled by.


87 posted on 09/08/2012 6:58:58 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
What I am saying, and is likely to happen is our current government is not headed by those that love America, Americans, or our Constitution, and are passing laws and regulations, and making new agencies, and hiring thousands more government workers and giving them all raises. All this has occurred during the last 3 1/2 years and is continuing still. In other words driving America deeply in debt plus giving monies away, as fast as possible by many means. Obama does not care about the people. He is a Marxist or a Communist. He seems to want to tear down and break America so that America will no longer be the leader of the free World, but as Russia was during the Revolution/ when the Communist's took over.

It will happen that another nation will buy our food crops right out of the fields. The crops will be shipped where ever and Americans will starve. That is the point. Are you fine with this happening?

During the second world war there were shortages of gasoline, sugar, shoes, coffee, grease, etc., there were collections of metals, scrap iron, Rules were set in place and rationing stamps provided to limit a person's purchasing power. A nation does not sit and let there food all leave and starve all the people. It could happen. As I mentioned it happened in the Ukraine.

This year there has been a serious drought and the corn crop has been greatly blighted. As a result gasoline is up, many, many food items in the groceries are up and there is a shortage of corn products. Tortillas, etc. It does not make sense to use our food to make ethanol. It is not good for the car engines, etc. It is complicated ... yet we must look ahead to how to keep America a great nation. I am not Communist nor do I like or believe in Communist forms of government. If you want one move to Cuba or Russia. God bless America.

88 posted on 09/10/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

You are utterly confusing two issues. Russia was a communist state that took the land from its farmers. Then they employed the farmed on collective farms which belonged to the state. This resluteda in mass starvation. The problems was the crop belong to the state so why snould anyone labor to grow it?

Now you propose allowing the state to control who the crop is sold to. If I own my land and grow the crop the I should be free to sell it to whoever I want. Anything else is communism and enforced slavery. You propose having the government dictate who the crop can be sold to. That’s means you are behaving like the communist.


89 posted on 09/10/2012 12:36:12 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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