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Scientific (Quantum) Immortality
The Freehold ^ | September 6, 2012 | Jonathan David Baird

Posted on 09/06/2012 10:51:02 AM PDT by EveningStar

I have long been fascinated by the idea that the universe is not actually a singular object but made up of a multiverse of infinite universes. Each of these Universes is seemingly branch off at every possible action or inaction. This idea is staggering in it’s immensity. It seems like science fiction and it has certainly been a staple of science fiction for at least forty years. It may have remained science fiction but fortunately I am not alone in believing this might in fact be possible.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: jonathandavidbaird; multiverse; multiverses; quantum; quantumimmortality; thefreehold; universe

1 posted on 09/06/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Since I define the Universe as the total of everything that exists, there can’t be other Universes.


2 posted on 09/06/2012 10:53:33 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: EveningStar

Nah, the Earth is an electron in the big universe. Our Sun is the atom. Humans are simply neutrons or maybe, at best, protons.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: EveningStar

Well, given the world today, I would say there are at least 2 although not parallel but at some stupid perpendicular angle and somehow they have merged.

It is the only way to explain the behavior of at least half the population.


4 posted on 09/06/2012 11:01:38 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: EveningStar

while I am ok with the “multiverse” infinite possibility concept, I am not so sure on them existing all at once.

I would tend to believe once an action/choise/observation is made then THAT reality is the one that is selected.

For this reason I think time travel to go back in time to change events is impossible because they already happened.

If you went back in time to kill Hitler some how you failed because he was not killed in the past. You might be able to go back and OBSERVE things, but if you did anything in the past we already know you did.

If you went back and said “Hi, I am from the future” it made no impact that we are currently aware of.

I also have my own pet theory that time RATE changes with expansion of the universe and at the end of the expansion everything goes back in reverse- hell is knowing all the bad things you did and they were all coming back for you to do again. When time is running backwards, you see the past as your future


5 posted on 09/06/2012 11:03:50 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: aynrandfreak
Since I define the Universe as the total of everything that exists, there can’t be other Universes.

I'm of the opinion that I'm the only thing that actually exists. Sorry.

6 posted on 09/06/2012 11:04:23 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
I'm of the opinion that I'm the only thing that actually exists.

FINALLY! SOMEONE TO BLAME EVERYTHING ON!!!! TOTALLY FREEPING EXSTATICALISCIOUS!

7 posted on 09/06/2012 11:08:05 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: EveningStar

How do I get to the universe where Obama was not elected?


8 posted on 09/06/2012 11:10:51 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: EveningStar

Schrodingers Cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCOE__N6v4o


9 posted on 09/06/2012 11:17:15 AM PDT by donna (Imagine women who honor men enough to not tempt them.)
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To: bkepley

You didn’t build that...


10 posted on 09/06/2012 11:20:11 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EveningStar
"As you age in a multiverse you are moving from one reality to another where you have avoided death more and more often. For that to happen the universe should become stranger the longer you live just to account for your continued existence. In fact as you become elderly this strangeness should increase to a point where you can be certain around 150-200 years of age that something is happening that you may not understand

This is exactly what happens in Virginia Woolf's Orlando.

11 posted on 09/06/2012 11:21:20 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: bkepley

It’s interesting to note that there is also a rotation rate to the entire universe. Ultimately, since the universe is infinite in all directions from where I stand, by definition it must revolve around me.


12 posted on 09/06/2012 11:29:02 AM PDT by steerpike100
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To: Wurlitzer
It is the only way to explain the behavior of at least half the population.

LOL So true!

13 posted on 09/06/2012 11:34:04 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: bkepley

“Since I define the Universe as the total of everything that exists, there can’t be other Universes.

I’m of the opinion that I’m the only thing that actually exists. Sorry.”

I was thinking the same thing. What an imagination I must have to think up the idea of someone else having the same thoughts...


14 posted on 09/06/2012 11:34:10 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: EveningStar

The problem is, when there is more than one possible action, and we choose only one, then that is the end of the story. There is no other “copy” of us that would choose the other option and create another timeline. It’s an interesting device in sci-fi/time travel stories, but in the real world, it’s ridiculous.


15 posted on 09/06/2012 11:36:29 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: EveningStar
Personally I believe in the string theory

12 string.

16 posted on 09/06/2012 11:44:57 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: EveningStar

Another suggested multiverse theory has some appeal. This is the difference between universes, alternatives, probabilities and possibilities.

Begin with a discreet event, say the flipping of a coin. It has two primary possibilities, heads and tails. Since the outcome of a coin flip can only be one of these, the “official” outcome becomes “real”. However, the other one briefly becomes a possibility that is just as real, so for a moment they both exist as possibilities simultaneously, then they re-converge.

In effect, this is a quantum state but at our level.

A probability takes this one step further, that of more than just three states of being: zero, heads or tails. So the Standard Distribution (bell-shaped) curve comes into play. In which the most probable result is in the middle of the curve, and the least probable, at its extremes.

This means that a mean result is “more real” than an extreme result. Yet eventually there is again a re-convergence, so a possibility is brief, and a probability is deeper and longer lasting.

An alternative is a fairly permanent situation, resulting in two, long lasting realities. Say a young man decides to become a ballet dancer instead of a US Marine. In effect, when he decides one way or another, he clones himself in reality, so that one side becomes a Marine and the other side a ballet dancer.

Importantly, there is some bleed-over in the case of an alternative reality. One of him becomes a Marine who truly loves to watch ballet; and the other a ballet dancer who fantasizes about being a Marine.

As far as entire universes go, there are likely a finite number of them, and some may not be physical so much as organizational, creating a framework for the “real” universes.


17 posted on 09/06/2012 11:51:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: EveningStar

Utterly ridiculous! The universe is not going to violate the laws of conservation of energy and mass just because we change our minds.


18 posted on 09/06/2012 12:06:42 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: EveningStar

If there’s really an infinite number of universes and possibilities, is there a universe where the Trix Rabbit is President?


19 posted on 09/06/2012 12:10:41 PM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: EveningStar

So we have an infinite number of potentialities, one of which is realized every moment by means of quantum “choices”. These scientists seem to be slouching toward deism against their will. All they’re missing now is a willful Creator to go along with this infinite potential and make these choices. Ironic, since the multiverse seems to have been conceived to avoid this very notion.


20 posted on 09/06/2012 12:13:55 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: EveningStar

I think it’s much more likely that there is something wrong with the quantum wave interpretation, than there is likely to be an infinite number of universes.


21 posted on 09/06/2012 12:16:46 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: aynrandfreak
Since I define the Universe
as the total of everything that exists,
there can’t be other Universes.

The Universe is that collection of points and particles
that can in principle interact with each other
by exchanging some particle (photon, graviton, etc.)

By definition in a “Multiverse” (whatever that is)
The collection of points are not able to interact
at any any level, and as such are separate Universes.
And are "unknowable" to each other

The Multiverse concept is a null hypothesis
as any other universes cannot interact with this one we are in, in principle.
Other Universes are Unknowable

22 posted on 09/06/2012 12:24:08 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: MNDude
is there a universe where the Trix Rabbit is President?

Certainly! In our universe he already won an election that allowed him to finally have some Trix. A universe where the election is actually for president and not for some Trix certainly wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility.

As I reflect on it, I'd bet he's doing a better job controlling spending.
23 posted on 09/06/2012 12:29:43 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: EveningStar
Ok. I think I understand what they're getting at regarding immortality. Each and every moment you have a chance of surviving and a chance of surviving. Therefore, you will always survive somewhere.

What about your age? I mean, can you argue that there was a chance you could have been born a day earlier? a day later? Could you have been conceived a year before when mom and dad just met and therefore be a year older?

Can you apply that same principle to your parents? Thus making you not only immortal, but existing at different ages and in different times?
24 posted on 09/06/2012 12:36:42 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970
chance of surviving and a chance of surviving

chance of surviving and a chance of dying.

silly rabbit.
25 posted on 09/06/2012 12:38:18 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Mr. K
If you went back in time to kill Hitler some how you failed because he was not killed in the past. You might be able to go back and OBSERVE things, but if you did anything in the past we already know you did.

In the "many worlds" theory, the act would simply switch you to a world timeline where Hitler DID die, and people WOULD know about it.

26 posted on 09/06/2012 12:47:58 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Mr. K
If you went back in time to kill Hitler some how you failed because he was not killed in the past. You might be able to go back and OBSERVE things, but if you did anything in the past we already know you did.

In the "many worlds" theory, the act would simply switch you to a world timeline where Hitler DID die, and people WOULD know about it.

27 posted on 09/06/2012 12:48:06 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: mmichaels1970
Can you apply that same principle to your parents? Thus making you not only immortal, but existing at different ages and in different times?

A recent experiment showed that quantum entanglement exists not only over space but also over time. It's possible to backdate events. These things are only possible if space and time are some kind of illusion. Einstein came to the conclusion that the past, present, and future exist simultaneously. We are somehow part of a timeless eternity.

28 posted on 09/06/2012 1:10:38 PM PDT by Reeses (An optimist believes the Republicans nominated their best. A pessimist knows they did.)
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To: mmichaels1970

“As I reflect on it, I’d bet he’s doing a better job controlling spending. “

Sadly enough, that’s probably true, lol.


29 posted on 09/06/2012 1:19:21 PM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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Let me see if I understand this; it is acceptable to posit - without proof - the existence of a multiverse. However, it is somehow unscientific and therefore unacceptable to believe in a creator.

Somebody help me out - have I got this straight?


30 posted on 09/06/2012 1:36:59 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Mr. K

Actually time rate has already been shown to change with velocity. Take two matched clocks put one in a plane and then fly around. After landing the two will show different times. The one flying around is slower than the one not on the plane.

As such you can assume (provided the big bang was an explosive expanding event) that the center of the universe has “aged” more than the outer reaches since it moved more slowly from the center and thus the time was faster than the arms which moved more quickly and the “clock” moved slower.

Personally I believe this and the bending of light from such great distances due to gravity lensing is the answer to why the calculations of universal mass require the addition of “dark matter” to make things balance out with the “increasing velocity” of the outer edges of the universe.


31 posted on 09/06/2012 2:26:01 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: EveningStar

Very weird stuff.


32 posted on 09/06/2012 2:34:44 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: jonno

No, that is a misrepresentation. The Multiverse concept is not represented as a foregone fact, a theory, or an hypothesis. It is instead a conjecture based upon the implications derived from the attempt to reconcile observations to the constraints of mathematics. From the theological point of view, it is an attempt to observe and describe the mathematical nature of what was created.


33 posted on 09/06/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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