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New blockbuster paper finds man-made CO2 is not the driver of global warming
The Hockey Schtick ^ | August 30, 2012 | Unknown

Posted on 09/01/2012 8:23:02 PM PDT by Rocky

An important new paper published today in Global and Planetary Change finds that changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature and that "CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2" The paper finds the "overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere," in other words, the opposite of claims by global warming alarmists that CO2 in the atmosphere drives land and ocean temperatures. Instead, just as in the ice cores, CO2 levels are found to be a lagging effect of ocean warming, not significantly related to man-made emissions, and not the driver of warming.

(Excerpt) Read more at hockeyschtick.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
The original article and its authors:

"The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature"

Ole Humluma, b, Kjell Stordahlc, Jan-Erik Solheimd

The blog gives a link to the article, but to view the article at the link, you have to pay $39.95.

1 posted on 09/01/2012 8:23:04 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Rocky

Heresy! Heresy! Burn them! Burn them!


2 posted on 09/01/2012 8:31:05 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Sparticus
What do we do with witches? for $400, Alex.

/johnny

3 posted on 09/01/2012 8:32:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rocky

Al “Woody” Gore is not amused.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 8:33:01 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Rocky

This is actually old news. Watch on YOUTUBE- “The Great Global warming swindle”.


5 posted on 09/01/2012 8:39:34 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Rocky

changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature and that “CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2”
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seriously, is there anyone here without a PhD in climate, who didn’t know this (and much more!), literally years ago ?


6 posted on 09/01/2012 8:40:03 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rocky

Anyone who took a basic middle school-level science class before 1995 knew this already.


7 posted on 09/01/2012 8:40:03 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Sparticus

8 posted on 09/01/2012 9:08:45 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Monty Python and Mel Brooks are my philisophical heros. Most of life can be compared to those works.

'Gentlemen, we have to protect our phony-balony jobs!'

/johnny

9 posted on 09/01/2012 9:12:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rocky
Ole Humluma, b, Kjell Stordahlc, Jan-Erik Solheimd

I'm cool with Ole, Kjell, and Jan-Erik, since I once worked for a Swedish company.... but who the heck is b?

/johnny

10 posted on 09/01/2012 9:15:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have fine taste.


11 posted on 09/01/2012 9:15:51 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Rocky

Bttt.


12 posted on 09/01/2012 9:17:49 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Rocky

Ping so I can find it later to irritate my neighbor.


13 posted on 09/01/2012 9:27:26 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL. I didn’t notice that there were footnote references after their names. It should have read:

Ole Humlum, Kjell Stordahl, Jan-Erik Solheim


14 posted on 09/01/2012 9:28:41 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Rocky
Anyone with a basic understanding of absorption spectra and quantum mechanics knows AGW is complete bull. Unfortunately, most Americans don't even know what those words mean, let alone the concepts involved.
15 posted on 09/01/2012 9:32:52 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Rocky
Very long discussion of that paper at the WUWT link below. Lots of posts by the AGW acolytes. Their entire theories now are just theoretical with no observational data to back up any of their theories.

Important paper strongly suggests man-made CO2 is not the driver of global warming

Also this article below is very enlightening. The way they have been determining the daily temperature has even had problems.

Errors in Estimating Temperatures Using the Average of Tmax and Tmin—Analysis of the USCRN Temperature Stations

Very difficult to understand climate physics without using actual physics. Heat content needs to be known every hour of every day. Then you might get a clue as to what possible long term trends exist.

16 posted on 09/01/2012 9:44:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Rocky
An important new paper published today in Global and Planetary Change finds that changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature

Saw a chart that showed that, here on FR, at least eight years ago.

17 posted on 09/01/2012 11:03:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Rocky

Fidel Castro is the cause of Glowbull warming....


18 posted on 09/01/2012 11:15:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TigersEye
Saw a chart that showed that, here on FR, at least eight years ago.

Yes, what has been said for years is that the ice cores reveal that increases in atmospheric CO2 appear after increases in temperature. In fact, this paper acknowledges that with:

Instead, just as in the ice cores, CO2 levels are found to be a lagging effect of ocean warming...

But while the ice core analysis deals with large temperature swings, and a lag of several hundred years for CO2 increase, this new paper apparently deals with recent temperature changes (which would be very slight changes by comparison) and lags of less than a year in CO2 changes. I haven't read the actual article because I don't want to pony up the $40, but that seems to be what the blog is saying.

19 posted on 09/02/2012 5:06:25 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; AdmSmith; ...

Thanks Rocky.


20 posted on 09/02/2012 7:04:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: piytar
Anyone with a basic understanding of absorption spectra and quantum mechanics knows AGW is complete bull

The absorption of IR photons by CO2 molecules is well understood at the macro level. It's the same as with partly cloudy skies at night. As clouds go over reporting stations you can actually see the temperature stop dropping then continue when the clouds move off. Same as a greenhouse which stops convection but also absorbs and reemits heat. It's easy to test by tying a space blanket way up in a tree (so that there is no convection stopping effect) and sleeping under that versus sleeping under the stars.

At the quantum mechanical level it is considerably more complex. Photons may not be absorbed and reemitted the way we think they are.

21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:29:21 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Rocky

OK, thanks for the correction. I would think the ice core data would be more significant and more definitive than any short term observations though.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 8:37:24 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Rocky
An important new paper published today in Global and Planetary Change finds that changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature and that "CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2"

This has been known all along.


23 posted on 09/02/2012 12:23:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Rocky

Bump for later.


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25 posted on 09/02/2012 3:58:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Rocky
Ole Humluma, b, Kjell Stordahlc, Jan-Erik Solheimd The blog gives a link to the article, but to view the article at the link, you have to pay $39.95.

That's steep for online content...

26 posted on 09/02/2012 6:07:33 PM PDT by GOPJ ("If you want to know who controls you, find out who you are not allowed to insult."TravisMcGee)
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To: sauropod

tues


27 posted on 09/02/2012 6:09:09 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Rocky

These scientists must be new at this “study” stuff. They obviously didn’t realize that if they find out there really is no problem, they won’t be eligible for more federal study money for this doomsday “problem.”


28 posted on 09/02/2012 6:24:58 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think the article has new information. It isn’t talking about temperature vs. CO2 eons ago. It’s talking about recent information. I think it is another nail in the coffin of CAGW.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 7:49:02 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Rocky

Not that you’d know it from listening to the Republican candidate for president of the United States;
“Mitt Romney:

I am not a scientist myself, but my best assessment of the data is that the world is getting warmer, that human activity contributes to that warming, and that policymakers should therefore consider the risk of negative consequences.”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=obama-romney-science-debate


30 posted on 09/05/2012 11:25:19 AM PDT by trumpetvine
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