Skip to comments.What exactly is "obstruction of justice?"
Posted on 07/29/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by TexasVoter
Hawaiian officials, including Deputy Atty. Gen'l. Jill Nagamine, refused to cooperate with lawfully sworn investigators from Arizona. Nagamine would not confirm that the birth certificate on the White House Website is the same as the document given to Obama's attorneys. Instead, she said that once a document is provided to someone by the HI Dept. of Health, "...they can do whatever they want with it."
(Excerpt) Read more at art2superpac.com ...
The details about the interview with Nagamine appears in the 3rd video down on the page.
I am pretty sure we have just been told. They did what ever they wanted with it...
That means editing it to fit their needs.
We know they did this.
Their refusal to turn over anything is a good indication that they have nothing to turn over.
Arizona has Article IV Section 1 power of full faith and credit access to the public records of Hawaii. If Hawaii refuses to comply, they are violating the Constitution.
Congress can step in and exercise its Article IV power to regulate the manner in which states share their public records, but Congress has not intervened.
Federal obstruction of justice statutes have been used to prosecute government officials who have sought to prevent the disclosure of damaging information.The problem is, of course, that Eric Holder would be responsible for prosecution, yes?
...and not much is being done about it.
Based on experience with previous Presidents, nothing will be done even if the House and Senate and Presidency are 100% Republican after the 2012 election.
I think it comes down to the definition of misprision of forgery and misprision of fraud. There is a legal responsibility to report what you know to be a forgery and fraud. It could be argued that since the long-form and COLB were not presented as evidence to anybody, that them being out there does not constitute fraud, but I think when something is presented in a press conference from the White House it constitutes a whole different level of integrity in question and there could be legal ramifications.
Bush never testified in court about WMD’s yet how much time and money was spent in trying to figure out whether he defrauded America by saying something untrue in a speech he gave to the country? Whatever was the legal basis for investigating that would also serve as the legal basis for investigating the forgeries as actual forgery and fraud and not just as presenting a hoax as a “joke” without legal ramifications.
If presenting a forgery and defrauding the American people from the White House is a crime, then the workers at the HDOH had a legal responsibility to report that crime.
Furthermore, a big issue right now is whether the HDOH people themselves have committed crimes including fraud and forgery. The HDOH employees themselves are reasonable suspects. Nothing in the law allows them to be protected from investigation of THEMSELVES, which is what is really going on here. And the whole purpose of UIPA, FOIA, etc is so that people can hold GOVERNMENT accountable. What did the HDOH know about the crimes of fraud and forgery, when did they know it, what was their legal responsibility, and what crimes, if any, have they committed? Those are PROPER issues that supersede individuals’ “privacy rights” according to UIPA.
As for HIPAA, I have read the release statement that I’m required to sign in order to get medical services at my local clinic. It specifies that the records can be released to law enforcement engaged in a criminal investigation and that my records have no privacy guarantees if needed to protect the safety of the President. Well... the acting President right now should Constitutionally be either Joe Biden or John Boehner, and if medical records are needed to protect them, then Kapiolani Hospital has a duty to release the medical records necessary to that purpose.
I am not a lawyer, but there are serious issues regarding the responsibilities of EVERYBODY who knew about this fraud, and I hope that some lawyers will weigh in on this.
I forgot to say, also, that the Federal General False Statement Act requires a person with knowledge to correct known misunderstandings when they involve an issue over which the federal government has jurisdiction. There is no question that Congress has federal jurisdiction over whether to accept the electoral vote, and they also have jurisdiction over whether to impeach a President for impeachable offenses - one of which is the capital crime of treason.
So even in that regard, the officials at the HDOH who knew that Congress misunderstood them to be saying that Obama has a valid birth record in their office and/or that what Obama showed the world IS what they have in their office.... had a responsibility to correct AT LEAST Congress’ misperception of what they actually claimed.
And that applies to people like the HI AG’s office, who is guilty of violating the Federal General False Statement Act if he said in an interview that the record they have is legally valid, if it in fact is not. I don’t think he used the word “legally” but did use the word “valid”. The best he could do would be to argue that he meant some other kind of “valid” besides “legally valid” - but if anybody in the federal government understood his statement as claiming the record is legally valid, then is legally responsible to correct that misperception if he knows about it.
Maybe, to get rid of any legal fudge room for these corrupt critters, we need to have federal officials ask them directly whether they are claiming that Obama’s record is legally valid, etc - so they can’t just claim that they didn’t know anybody misunderstood their carefully-worded public statements.
Somebody needs to ask Chiyome Fukino directly, “Are you claiming that there is a legally-valid birth certificate in Hawaii which conforms to legal evidentiary standards to establish that Obama was born in Hawaii?” And she should first be reminded that fraud is a crime, and failure to correct misunderstandings on issues of federal jurisdiction is a violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.
“I am pretty sure we have just been told. They did whatever they wanted with it... That means editing it to fit their needs.”
And that means forgery; and that means fraud.
Our White House is occupied by a usurper who presented, as evidence of his eligibility to serve as POTUS, a forged document, purportedly generated by state officials who now refuse to cooperate with investigtors trying to confirm the document’s validity.
WTF?! How is it that patriots on both sides of the aisle are not leaping to their feet to draw a line in the sand in defense of our Constitution?
Former Prosector of 25 years says:
1. Obstruction of justice is interfering, through word or deed, with the a lawful and valid criminal investigation of a court or officer of the court.
2. Protection of privacy is the legal requirement of the State or corporation to protect the private information of individuals.
Violation of either are/can be crimes depending upon the jurisdiction.
It’s also not a Federal investigation of Arpaio does it. It is also not a criminal investigation.
Just thought I would add this in. It is an anti-Obama song; “When Your Holding a Hammer, Everything Looks Like a Nail”. It can be downloaded or ordered on cd.
Have no power to do anything outside their jurisdiction.
Having said that...I'll share one of my theories with you in the same convoluted legal concept....
I'm pretty well convinced that the stock market is now manipulated under the laws of “national security”...all legally done under our Constitution....
(all donations of used tinfoil will be gladly excepted!....)
yea, I get that.
I need all the tinfoil I’ve got. lol.
You may be on to something.
“If Hawaii refuses to comply, they are violating the Constitution.”
Can we just kick Hawaii out of the Union and then, ex post factoly eliminate Hawaii as an acceptable place of birth for the Bummer? That way he can in no way be considered a citizen, let alone a ‘natural born’ citizen.
Note to all...Obstruction of Justice is the primary mission of the Department of Justice under the Bummer’s hand picked AG, Eric ‘the black’ Holder.
I do not believe in any of the birther stuff. He wasn’t born in Kenya, his parents did not need to be citizens, his father was not Malcolm X or Marshall Davis or Fat Albert. He is a natural born, all American commie, the kind our schools, universities, and movie theaters churn out by the tens of thousands.
That said, I can understand why he cannot wash himself clean of this. The simple fact is that a large proportion of Americans cannot relate to him. He does not share any of the basic American values that even liberal Presidents of the past shared. He doesn’t understand our culture, our Constitution, or our religion. He does not understand why we think we are exceptional or why we are so gosh darn set on capitalism and gun ownership. He is American by birth, but not by culture or worldview, and that is why people just instinctively feel he is not natural born, even if the facts indicate that he is.
Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Before you came along and set me straight, I thought there was something really, REALLY smelly going on with the "Obama" birth and life narrative.
I can't believe I've simply wasted over a year researching the issue.
Thanks again for your words of wisdom.
Do you think it is possible to be a natural born citizen of three different countries at the same time?
You may “not believe any the the birther stuff” but then you probably haven’t seen the Photoshopped birth certificate he presented and is still shown on the White House website. It is a complete forgery and a layered, manipulated document. I am a graphic artist and all one has to do is download the document from the WH website and open it up in Abobe Illustrator and Photoshop to view the fabricated fraud that it is. I counted 17 separate layers used to make up the final image.
If Obama is not trying to hide something about his birth certificate then why did he present such an obvious, amateurish forgery to the public? And it doesn’t stop with his birth certificate. His Social Security card is suspect too. Issued in a state he never lived in and initially issued to another person that is deceased. His documents are so bad, that he can’t pass the E-Verify system requirements that everyone in the country must pass to be legally employed. Why has he spent millions of dollars to hide his past from the public?
All of this is not by chance or coincidence. He or someone controlling his puppet strings is deliberately gaming the system. When someone deliberately hides their past, there is a reason for them to do that. And it isn’t because they have nothing to hide.
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