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There are no winners in war against moderates
http://www.kearneyhub.com ^ | May 5, 2012 | Cokie and Steven Roberts

Posted on 05/05/2012 3:57:17 PM PDT by Maelstorm

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To: kosciusko51
The problem with labels is that they are all encompassing (at least to the people who make them). But in fact, of course, there are huge variations in opinion on almost everything. You could label me a Christian, and be right, but does that mean that I have exactly the same thoughts on applied theology as the local pentecostals, or methodists? Of course not. But the label lumps me together with them, and even (to some people) with Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Unitarians.

Similarly, there are lots of people who call themselves "keynesian economists", but they range from total believers to people who admit that "supply-side economics" has a case too, through to folk who just admit keynesian economics has a point ot two going for it. Nor is this solely a matter of individual variation, because people argue over what the basic definitions are. What some people call "progressive", others call "socialist", and some no doubt call "reactionary". I admit, without the labels you would have to explain in detail what you meant, but I would argue that might not be too bad a thing. It might prevent a lot of misunderstanding, after all.

There's a further problem with labeling, and that is that certain labels become irretrievably linked to one another, but some kind of political osmosis. Thus, labels like "conservative" are linked to "NRA", "pro-life", "religious right", "republican", "capitalist" and "anti homosexual" (amongst many others). It has now got to the point that identifying yourself by one of those labels automatically (in the minds of others) gets you assigned to all of the others. But of course Conservative is a very broad term. Some are social conservatives, some are fiscal conservatives, to others political systems are what most needs to be addressed. Most would no doubt go along with many of the things on that list, but they wouldnt major on them. Few suited business investors are picketing abortion clinics. Some republicans ARE gay.

Does this matter? Well yes, because when labels are applied to people in that way, it denies their individualism and prevents them thinking through what they really believe, and that leads to trouble. Lumping people together into nice, neat little socio-economic groups is what leftists major on. This kind of thing stunts reasoned debate as well, which ultimately works to the detriment of the republic.

51 posted on 05/07/2012 4:26:02 AM PDT by Vanders9
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So, if I understand, you oppose labels not for the denotation, but for the connotation.

Whether you like them or not, labels are necessary. And how a label is used by a person say as much about him or her as it does the person being labeled.

For instance, if an author uses the word "vigilante" to describe a person using a gun for protection, I already know quite a bit about the author's frame of reference when it comes to guns and gun control. In fact, that is still more information than I get on the "vigilante".

So, not only are labels helpful, but how they are used says a lot about the speaker.

52 posted on 05/07/2012 9:06:16 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Maelstorm

Jason Altmire and Tim Holden are “moderates” b/c they voted against Obamacare? Mike Ross of AR did the same thing after helping pass Obamacare out of committee and then voting against it. Ross was smart enough to quit, I guess these 2 weren’t.


53 posted on 05/08/2012 9:42:40 AM PDT by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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Where are the Democrat moderates? They place the most partisan radicals on so-called important thoughtful committees like Judiciary and Foreign Relations whereas GOP always puts their moderates and “statesmen” on such. They get mowed down by the Kennedys, Turban Durbin, Kerry, Leahy


54 posted on 05/08/2012 6:24:11 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Maelstorm

Davis was a good NRCC chairman but he needs to shut the hell up, all he does is trash conservatives now. He just ignorantly sounded off on the gay thing.


55 posted on 05/10/2012 10:21:28 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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