Posted on 05/03/2012 5:00:51 PM PDT by bravedog
Well, I am voting for Ron Paul in the Texas primaries. He is the only way to stop Romney. Hear me out before you zot me. I really think that this is the correct call.
First and foremost, we need to remove Obama from his throne. I think this should be our number one priority, and believe it or not, Ron Paul polls several points higher than Romney against Obama. I have been checking the polls, and it looks like youth and independents are flocking to Paul. Obama must go.
Second, Ron Paul is 100% pro-life. This is a very big deal to me.
Third, Ron Paul wants to pull troops from overseas and use those troops to patrol the border. I think this will save a ton of cash and patrolling our border will actually control illegal immigration. I think bankrupting the country through illegal immigration is more dangerous than Iran. Additionally, this foreign policy stance matches public opinion, as the public is waning on all these foreign conflicts. This would help us against Obama in the general election.
There are several things that most of us do NOT like about Ron Paul. Examples: gay marriage and legalization of drugs. However, Ron Paul points out that these are state issues and not federal issues. As much as I disagree with the legalization of drugs and gay marriage, he is right that these are not federal issues. Why do you think we needed an amendment for alcohol prohibition? If you think the federal government has this control then you have to believe that the federal government can do whatever it wants (i.e. Obamacare, EPA, etc). You are either for the Constitution or you are against it.
Ron Paul wants to cut a trillion dollars from the budget in three years. I have been voting straight ticket Republican for 20 years and I have yet to see a real reduction in government spending. Not only does Paul want to cut spending… but I actually believe him, after losing my trust in many of our Republicans before him.
As much as some ideas are contrary to my conservative beliefs, I think that these ideas are all pro-Constitution. I think that the Constitution is the cornerstone of our republic and we can’t pick and choose when to follow it and when to ignore it.
There is more (i.e. Federal Reserve)… but these reasons are enough. These are reasons enough to think that Ron Paul is a far better choice than Romney.
I don’t think that Ron Paul will win…. but until the convention, we need to show off the GOP and MSM that we are not happy for shoving Romney down our throats. I know most Texans don’t like Ron Paul. However, my choice is clear. I am voting pro-Constitution on May 29th.
All right… let me have it... (ducking for cover)
I don’t fault your decision to vote for Uncle Paul.
I’m writing my candidate as my vote won’t make a lick of difference. I’m in California.
I don’t much care for Ron Paul myself but more power to you.
Romney will lose anyway and we need as many people getting to the polls as possible to save the down ticket races.
Given that we’re now down to choosing between Socialist A and Socialist B, I’m forced to stop and give your idea some consideration. Now that Newt’s out of it, I have little place left to go in the Texas primary, except a write-in, protest vote.
ABO
Why not? I won’t make any difference anyway.
You really want the zot, dontcha?
And while you post so much zot-worthy crapola that I don’t have time to set you straight on; I will correct you on this...
“Second, Ron Paul is 100% pro-life. This is a very big deal to me.”
Paul IS NOT PRO-LIFE. If he was, he would support a Pro-Life Constitutional amendment. As it is, he is happy to leave life or death issues to the states. If a state were to adopt a pro-death position - Uncle Ronny would wet his Depends with delight over their decision.
IBTZ
If Newt’s name is on the Texas ballot, I will be voting Newt.
Third, Ron Paul wants to pull troops from overseas and use those troops to patrol the border. I think this will save a ton of cash and patrolling our border will actually control illegal immigration. I think bankrupting the country through illegal immigration is more dangerous than Iran. Additionally, this foreign policy stance matches public opinion, as the public is waning on all these foreign conflicts. This would help us against Obama in the general election.
You're running out of time for all you third partiers to get together and decide on your candidate........Otherwise it's just a big laughable cluster F'.........
But it's fun to watch, kinda like a bunch of busy little bees running around without a queen to serve. LOL!
I don’t think you should be zotted for expressing your opinion. But the crazy uncle who ruins Thanksgiving dinner every year just isn’t an option.
Yep and the truth of it is that Romney cannot defeat 0bama for Romney's lifelong political directive is the same as 0bama's and 0bama will eat him alive in the debates.
Romney can not defeat him.
Almost as absurd as the idea that Romney can actually defeat 0bama.
With the MSM behind 0bama it is going to be a massacre, "Romney's last stand" so to speak.
The next POTUS is not going to be Mitt Romney.
First- if he can’t even pull double digits in most primaries, there is no way to believe any polls he could beat Obama.
Second- Pro-life by butt. He is fine with the states letting people kill babies, he just wants to pass the buck off the Federal government’s shoulders.
Third- Paul want’s to pull our troops out from everywhere and reduce our military to ‘one or two nuclear submarines’, leaving us as helpless as France. He doesn’t want to put troops on the border. At that, he warned against militarizing the border and said the border fence is like the soviet iron curtain.
Fourth- Paul claims he want’s to cut trillions and trillions but in thirty years in office in the body of the government charged with doing that, he couldn’t even find his ass from a hole in the wall. He passed four bills in his entire career, all symbolic (medal for a baseball player in his district, making square dancing a national folk art, calling for collector coins to have currency value, and something to do with trollies). All the time, he is one of the leaders in Congress in requesting Pork. He is all talk.
Fifth- Federal Reserve, something else he has shown he is all talk on. He is in the position now, as chair of the banking and financing committee to do something and he has done jack and squat.
Paul is an old RINO who sometimes says some good things but when you look at his entire history, is nothing more than a fraud at best, and a political honey trap for anti-establishment types at worst.
Here in CA, I will vote all our down-ticket candidates/issues, but probably write in Palin or Cain.
Sorry but most of the youth just do not care bout the gays, were pro choice and some use drugs although I do not, but many many of us are mature enough to understand that our republic is under attack and the Fed must go as must our crushing debt and out of control entitlements these issues are paramount all others can wait or be decided by the respective states.
I will not vote for mittens EVER, if he gets the nomination I will write in Newt or Paul, if that gets zero reelected fine then the rest of country has committed suicide and I will be moving with my assets and 3 degrees to Australia or Canada to work doing Post Graduate research or mineral exploration. I would stay and fight but if this country is going to take it's own life I am not going down with the Titanic on principles alone when the sheep will not pick up arms to do such. If the time comes where the arms are raised I will be on the first flight back to unbury my rifles and join the fight but sadly no group of patriots has the balls to risk everything and be the first to raise arms and take a bullet for freedom, make no mistake the first group to pick up arms get slaughtered, but it is that outrage that sparks the fire for the millions of others to act. "Our founding father's would be shooting by now."
So you'll be voting for the Republican nominee then? Even when it's not Ron Paul?
I don’t think that Ron Paul will win
Correct.
However, my choice is clear.
I'm sure it is. Come on, you were going to vote for Paul no matter what. You don't need to try to pretend you've reluctantly arrived at this decision because Willard is the only other candidate remaining. You're not fooling anyone.
There is more (i.e. Federal Reserve)
You can always tell a follower of Paul, even if they are trying to conceal themselves, by their obsession with the Fed. I'm not saying there aren't problems or that it shouldn't be audited, but it's a dead giveaway every time that one is dealing with a paulbot.
If you believe in the Constitution that is the correct position.. There is the thing called the 10th amendment.
Paul was one step above Romney on my list when this whole fiasco started. Behind Cain, Santorum, Bachmann, and Ginrich... In that order.
Despite what he’s actually done, his detractors and supporters are such a mixed bag of nuts that it completely obliterates any truth there may be on either side.
Give me ANY other real conservative to vote for and I’ll do it.
You are not alone.
I spoke with the head of our precinct (Republican). She voted for Paul in the Primary to “send a message”.
I am considering how to use the vote that has been solidly republican since 1976. It won’t be cast for any
candidate who favors the killing of children or taxpayer funded killing.
You are a glass half empty guy. If you allow the states to pick abortion then you save lives. Right now: 50 states are pro-abortion by Supreme Court mandate. If states are allowed to decide to illegalize abortion then that is a huge step in the right direction. Constitutional amendment is next.
At that, this is one of those areas where Paul's philosophy is fatally flawed. Paul actually believes the 10th Amendment gives States the right to trample on individual rights, even like the 2nd Amendment. In other words, he believes rights aren't inherent but are only allowed at the whim of some governing body. (he has written about this on Rockwell's site regarding Kelo (property) and McDonald v Chicago (2nd Amendment). In both cases, he sided with the States trampling on individual rights.)
In Liberty Defined, he basically took the same approach that Romney makes for Romneycare, that the States can be free to 'experiment' with this as they see fit. He said in no uncertain terms he is fine with an individual mandate on the State level.
Paul's philosophy is almost worse (flawed Federalist) in that it creates 50 tyrannies with no protection of individual rights. Something true federalists never would support.
I agree with Goods on almost every issue. Why can’t we have a popular vote for him? Pisses me off. If I wasn’t in a swing state, I’d vote for him.
Congressman Paul has my vote. I wanted Newt but will settle for Ron. I’m not as much a libertarian as Ron.
Congressman Paul has my vote. I wanted Newt but will settle for Ron. I’m not as much a libertarian as Ron.
Bingo!
go ahead and waste your vote...
Ron Paul supporters are as kooky as he is...the guy’s ship sailed and he forgot to get on board.
this was his third try so he is OUT...
I think a lot of Ron Paul’s platform rock... but I saw him in a Paul vs. Paul debate with Krugram... I think on Bloomburg and Ron did come across as the crazy uncle, he should have been able to trash Krugman... but Ron just sat there and tossed talking points out. Obama would would stomp him in a debate if that’s all he has to offer.
Ron is going to have a lot of delegates in Tampa. I suspect he is going to make Romney life miserable... which makes me chuckle.
I have to admit... I’m not seeing how conservatives kept Socialist O or Socialist R out of the Oval Office. And I’m very depressed that Socialist O is likely to get re-elected. I’m mostly starting to focus on two things. Surviving until 2016 under Obama and making sure 2016 is the last time I have to worry about something that.
That was my plan when Newt dropped out too, but I don’t want to encourage him to run as a 3rd party candidate because that could give 0 a 2nd term. So now I’m leaning toward leaving the top slot blank, or voting for someone who’s already dropped out but is still on the ballot. We have those computerish voting machines in Houston, is it even possible to write in a candidate?
After everybody has dropped out, I think I’m voting for Paul as well. If Paul drops out, I’ll probably write a name in.
That's not what I asked. I already know you are voting for Ron Paul in the primary. I asked, specifically, if you'll be supporting the actual Republican nominee in the general election.
Incorrect. Palin trumps Paul.
Palin has never been a candidate, and you know that. Your original post to start this thread made it sound like after much consideration, and because Romney is the only other candidate left, that you decided you needed to send a message to the GOPe and vote for Ron Paul. The truth is, he's been your candidate all through the primary and your still working to get him some extra delegates.
Yep, you got me on that one. The Federal Reserve is robbing us blind and destroying our currency.
Meh. It's a bit paulbot issue, I know.
A flying saucer on every rooftop.
Newt is still on your ballot and votes still count.
I suppose that's something to consider, even though he's dropped out.
In case you've never read it:
"THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution"
There is the thing called the 10th amendment.
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And??
As I said. If a Pro-Life Amendment was added to the Constitution, that would override the 10th.
LOL, sure. Paul is a fringe candidate, the more people know the less they would like him in an actual general election. Republicans are not going to vote for a guy who thinks Bradley Manning is a hero and a patriot, that it's cool if Iran gets nukes, etc. Democrats are not going to vote for someone who wants to dismantle the welfare state.
The Republican candidate will likely have the best chance.
Likely? Somehow I think if Paul decided to run as an independent you'd find a reason to vote for him even if he was going to get nothing but the typical 3rd party fraction of the vote.
I actually like Paul now and I know he would be better than Obamney.
Well, I think Ron Paul is a kook. I really like half his policy ideas and find the other half to be lunacy. However, if you are successful in miraculously getting him the GOP nomination, I WILL vote for Ron Paul over Obama.
Ron Paul has to many enemies to win the Nomination at Tampa.
Ron Paul already has won 4 State Primaries, and needs to win just one more to qualify as a Nominee Candidate at the Tampa Convention.
This would greatly upset the GOP-E, but probably not Romney as he has always been clueless about how many voters really dislike him.
Although Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination in Tampa, he can along with our help create the proper environment for an OPEN CONVENTION in Tampa.
Then the Open Convention delegates can draft a REAL Republican.
My favorite for Republican Nominee is Sen. Jim DeMint, R-Sc.
Sort of a round-about way of bypassing the Romney/Obamalite/GOP-E sinking ship, but here is how I see it:
1.) Vote in large turnout numbers in the remaining Primaries, for Ron Paul as an ABR vote, (Anybody But Romney), especially if you vote in the May 29 Primary in Texas.
2.) Work and Lobby for an Open Convention.
3.) Draft Sen. Jim DeMint as the Republican Nominee.
BTW, Jim “says” that he does not want to run, - - - “at this time.”
BTW, BTW, an Open Convention will upset the Liberal Agenda Media, and their political consultants who already (in their minds) have Obama re-elected.
Me, too. But Jim has already said (last year) that he won't run. He feels he can be more productive in the Senate getting conservative legislation passed and promoting conservative Senate candidates through his PAC, Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF).
Plus, his second Senate term is up in 2014 and he has stated he won't seek a third term.
Think about the contradiction of the two paraphrased statements from Sen. DeMint: 1.) ‘I want to stay in the US Senate’; and 2.) ‘I will leave the US Senate in two years.’
Could it be that DeMint is preparing to be a Presidential Primary Candidate in 2016?
We need to draft him in 2012 and avoid the sorry Romney years if Romney wins!
IMHO, Romney will loose by a hair to Obama which will require that Obama be immediately IMPEACHED in order to save our Republic.
Obama or Obamalite, the US Federal Government will not have it’s, and therefore our, financial house in order by 2016.
Thus, political resolution of the main problem: OVERSPENDING BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, may not be achievable in 2016.
Hence, it is IMPERATIVE that we have an OPEN Convention in Tampa so that Sen. Jim DeMint can be drafted, albeit kicking and screaming, to be the Republican Party Nominee for the Office of the President of the United States of America.
I have outlined above how voting for Ron Paul as a Primary wedge against Romney could lead to an Open Convention in Tampa.
Since Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination, he would serve as our last best wedge hope of defeating Romney AND the GOP-E in an Open Convention.
Primary Candidate Ron Paul is the last non-Romney Candidate left standing between the GOP-E’s Romney, (= probable loss to Obama in November), and an Open Convention of a Republican that can soundly defeat Obama.
A “win” over Obama is not enough, Obama MUST lose in a LANDSLIDE!!!!!!
NONE of the Primary Candidates have shown that they have that potential.
It is time for an Open Convention to choose the best Presidential Candidate.
It is time for us Conservatives to turn out in massive numbers in the remaining primaries, especially in the big electoral delegate states such as Texas, and vote for ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY!
Ron Paul needs only to win one more State Primary to qualify as a Nominee Candidate, and therefore is our best chance for an Open Convention to select a GREAT Nominee, such as Senator Jim DeMint.
I think Senator Jim DeMint would be our best choice, but first we must work to have an Open Convention in Tampa.
What say all of you?
What part of Jim saying he does not want to run do you not understand? Are you planning to FORCE him to run?
FWIW, Jim is my Senator. He and I had a one-on-one conversation. I asked him about this. He was very humble. Said he appreciates my confidence and the confidence of hundreds (thousands) of others that want him to run. Insisted he does not want to run. Said he can influence more from his Senate seat and the Senate Conservatives Fund. Pretty clear to me. He said nothing to me that he hasn't said publicly a number of times.
IMHO, we'd better spend our time getting local, county and state conservatives elected/reelected. And work to keep the House and take the Senate. If we have a solid majority in House and Senate, it will matter less who the president is. Obviously I'd prefer for that to be a Republican. But if nobama cheats and frauds his way to reelection, having the House and Senate will put a serious damper on his plans.
I applaud your post and agree with it 1000%. I wanted to let you know you are not alone here.
In the interest of full disclosure, I’m probably going to vote for Romney. I’m registered in Ohio, I suspect it will be close.
In an ideal world I’d be voting for RP.
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