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The politics of the Trayvon Martin case; a pot that's starting to boil over
The Examiner ^ | April 22, 2012 | John Guzzardo

Posted on 04/22/2012 5:33:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Regardless of where you stand on the Trayvon Martin case, the fact is that this case is more than just a criminal case. It is about politics; racial, economic, social politics. The racial attacks are heating up, and let’s add in some facts which have been accidentally omitted but are quite pertinent to this case.

First, Zimmerman is not just White, he is Hispanic. Second, Trayvon Martin was reported to have been beating down Zimmerman, striking several blows to the head, prior to the shooting. These two facts are not irrelevant. In fact, they are very relevant to the case itself. The first blows holes in the race-baiting that is going on. The second is a very powerful piece of evidence which will be used by the defense to exonerate Zimmerman with the Stand Your Ground law as a defense. The argument, that Zimmerman was in fear of his own life, does hold water when one looks at the picture of his bloodied scalp.

Add to this one other detail: Martin has been depicted in many ways as being a happy-go-lucky middle school student who was gunned down in cold blood by an overzealous vigilante. This is not the case at all. Martin, in reality, was seventeen years old, and fully capable of judging right from wrong. What was in his mind and heart at the time of his death we will never know, but the fact is that he was involved in a violent confrontation with Zimmerman. Martin was known for having issues with others in the community, and the pictures of him as a teenager, shown in a gangster-like hooded sweatshirt, has raised new questions about just “squeaky clean” he really was....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 04/22/2012 5:33:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OJ in reverse...


2 posted on 04/22/2012 5:36:34 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is about politics; racial, economic, social politics.

Yeah. No thanks to rags like you, Examiner.

3 posted on 04/22/2012 5:37:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They left out the bit where NBC faked the news. Zimmerman didn't “profile” Martin. It's clear from the 911 tape (the unabridged one, not the fake NBC version) that Zimmerman didn't even know Martin's race, when he decided to check further. (Martin was hiding his face in a hoodie.)
4 posted on 04/22/2012 5:42:18 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First, Zimmerman is not just White, he is Hispanic.

No one I know would ever use white to describe this. No one!

I only mention this because the only reason this $hit started at all is because the racebaiters thought he was white and then refused to admit they were wrong and use the brand-new term "white-Hispanic".

5 posted on 04/22/2012 5:46:09 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This reporter will be in danger for writing common sense and facts. There’s no room fot that kind of foolishness.


6 posted on 04/22/2012 5:47:05 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll say this, the evidence for Zimmerman’s guilt is ambiguous at best. Given this,there is a LOT of room for reasonable doubt. Anything else is mind-reading.

Unless new evidence comes to light, Zimmerman must be found innocent


7 posted on 04/22/2012 5:55:49 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Texas Eagle

The Examiner has done some very good work. Don’t assume it is down in the Obama cesspool with the NYSlimes, WaPo, ad nauseam.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 6:00:05 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poor ole crayon....


9 posted on 04/22/2012 6:05:05 PM PDT by Pirsig289
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Guzzardo speaks of Trayvon's "wrongful death" suit against Zimmerman. I assume he meant Tracy Martin's potential suit on behalf of his son.

He says that a critical detail we don't know is what was in Martin's mind when he was attacking Zimmerman. Would he be saying that if the races were reversed and if a white man started attacking a black man and was shot by the black man when he tried to grab the black man's gun? Would he care about what the white man was thinking?

At this point we can't know for sure that Martin attacked Zimmerman but everything points to that, including the wounds on Zimmerman's head and the eyewitness who saw Zimmerman beneath Martin.

10 posted on 04/22/2012 6:17:46 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

As I understand it Brian Williams pretended he was introducing Chelsea live at the beginning of her first “report” but it was actually recorded. NBC is notorious for distorting, or not reporting, the facts.


11 posted on 04/22/2012 6:17:46 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nope. It’s called to get something for nothing.....or looting...which ever comes first.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 6:18:25 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Terry Mross
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13 posted on 04/22/2012 6:20:24 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: IrishPennant

The black community was very happy when OJ got away with murder.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 6:24:08 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: IrishPennant

The black community was very happy when OJ got away with murder.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 6:24:20 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Texas Eagle

Don’t know much about The Examiner, do you ?


16 posted on 04/22/2012 6:25:33 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: The_Media_never_lie
And now they will not be happy until innocent Trevon has been dealt justice.

I was in a room full of mixed races when the OJ decision was aired...probably will be when the Zim verdict is announced too...

17 posted on 04/22/2012 6:36:30 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: IrishPennant
I was in a room full of mixed races when the OJ decision was aired...probably will be when the Zim verdict is announced too...

And what was the reaction at that time and in that setting?

18 posted on 04/22/2012 6:38:52 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

I was in a similar situation, and it was sheer bedlam, the cheering and high fives.

I turned and asked a plant supervisor with whom I was friendly and who happened to be black, what all the uproar was about, since it was pretty clear that he killed the woman.

She said they thought it was a great day in America, since a black man could now buy his way out of conviction just like a white man always could.

Not agreeing or validating, that’s just the unvarnished answer I got from a black coworker, whom I liked and trusted.


19 posted on 04/22/2012 6:48:23 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: IrishPennant

That is just HILARIOUS!! :DD


20 posted on 04/22/2012 6:49:07 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When combined with an election year, racial attacks against the President, and the blogosphere going wild with this case, you have all the necessary ingredients for a “tinder box” style incident.

This gratuitious insertion is the kind of factual sloppiness that makes one hate all journalists. I am aware of no "racial attacks" on the President.

21 posted on 04/22/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: packrat35
I only mention this because the only reason this $hit started at all is because the racebaiters thought he was white and then refused to admit they were wrong and use the brand-new term "white-Hispanic".

A rolling freight train takes a while to stop. I wonder when Ozero becomes "white-black"?

22 posted on 04/22/2012 6:58:40 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Thanks for the information.

Around the time of the verdict, I was in a grocery store and saw one black checkout clerk say to another, nodding, "He [meaning O.J.] did it." There was consensus that he was guilty.

23 posted on 04/22/2012 7:13:20 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: IrishPennant

Likewise, me too. I asked my good friend, why would you want OJ to get away with murder? He said, its about time a black guy got away with something. This is what 90 percent think.

Zimmerman’s goose is cooked. The question I have, is why did he get out of the car?


24 posted on 04/22/2012 7:17:47 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: IrishPennant

Likewise, me too. I asked my good friend, why would you want OJ to get away with murder? He said, its about time a black guy got away with something. This is what 90 percent think.

Zimmerman’s goose is cooked. The question I have, is why did he get out of the car?


25 posted on 04/22/2012 7:18:04 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Accidentally omitted”????

Uh... no.


26 posted on 04/22/2012 7:45:22 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

NBC, ABC and CNN ALL outright lied about Zimmerman. All 3 are in CYA mode like a cat trying to cover up it’s excrement.


27 posted on 04/22/2012 7:46:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I went to the link, they have pulled the story! Left in it’s place is a personal note from the author who has obviously been threatened and has decided to lay off from reporting for a few weeks... WTF?


28 posted on 04/22/2012 7:53:49 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: JDoutrider

A diffficult but necessary decision

I have decided to take some time away from my writing online for a while. It would seem that one of my friends has made an interesting point; that I am treading into waters in which I have no business.

The fact is, bloggers, writers, reporters all take risks, and oftentimes those risks make enemies. That said, really do not feel it necessary to endanger my family because people take things out of context, so I am going to take a huge step back, reassess my approach to how I report, write, and opine, and I will be back on within 2-3 weeks.

I appreciate all the feedback provided by everyone, and all my readership, but at this moment in time, I believe it best if I re-evaluate my approach to things in my life. There have been a great many things which have gone wrong, and I believe this has affected my ability to rationally analyze things I would otherwise be able to analyze quite effectively.

This is the second time in three weeks I’ve had to write such a piece. It seems I’ve become really good at making those who matter in my life angry at me. I only hope this time I’m using for reflection makes me a better writer.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-politics-of-the-trayvon-martin-case-a-pot-that-s-starting-to-boil-over#ixzz1spQh6oRx


29 posted on 04/22/2012 7:57:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is about Trayvon “Fight Club” Martin, isn’t it? ;-)


30 posted on 04/22/2012 8:35:47 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Zimmerman’s goose is cooked. The question I have, is why did he get out of the car?

Perhaps he was not willing to live in fear of hoodlums who do whatever they please to him and his neighbors.

31 posted on 04/22/2012 8:37:45 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: The_Media_never_lie
To some with reasonable minds, it may appear that George Zimmerman got out of the truck in response to a request from the 911 dispatcher:

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

IMMEDIATELY after the operator asks for the direction of flight, Zimmerman leaves his vehicle. Less than one second after the question is asked, you can hear the door open and the beeping from still having the keys in the ignition. That's about as direct a response as you'll ever see. It's at the 2:05 mark in the call:

32 posted on 04/22/2012 8:54:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Zimmerman didn’t “profile” Martin. It’s clear from the 911 tape (the unabridged one, not the fake NBC version) that Zimmerman didn’t even know Martin’s race, when he decided to check further. (Martin was hiding his face in a hoodie.)

Zimmerman is sitting in his truck. It doesn’t seem like Martin was trying to hide his face in a hoodie at all.
911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.

911 dispatcher:

Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

911 dispatcher:

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:

Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:

That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.


33 posted on 04/22/2012 9:27:44 PM PDT by anglian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The link no longer goes to the article above.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 1:24:26 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like someone said something his editor didn’t want to hear. He will now be re educated at The Sharpton Institute of Yellow Journalism.


35 posted on 04/23/2012 1:30:04 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: anglian
Martin was wearing a hoodie, which did conceal his face.

If you listen to the recording, you might get a different impression than you would from just reading the transcript (I did). When the dispatcher asks whether Martin is white, black or hispanic, Zimmerman pauses for a couple of beats before answering. He then stresses “looks” — indicating (to me, at least) that he still wasn't sure; but wanted to provide an answer to the dispatcher.

I made a particular point of listening to the 911 recording; because, the doctored 911 clip NBC played seemed to be such convincing proof of profiling. The actual recording gave me the opposite impression.

36 posted on 04/23/2012 1:52:50 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Then isn’t logical to ask why Trayvon went out to buy candy and tea - if Trayvon hadn’t gone out this never would have happened likewise if Zimmmerman hadn’t gotten out of his car this wouldn’t have happened. Both actors were acting legally leading up to the confrontation and the important facts are how the confrontation occurred and thereafter what did each participant do?


37 posted on 04/23/2012 2:22:24 AM PDT by monocle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet



38 posted on 04/23/2012 3:21:02 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: anglian

“Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.”

Young black males often do this as an itimidation tactic to scare people into think they are armed, since it is their custom to wear their pistols without holsters and in the front waistband.


39 posted on 04/23/2012 7:14:34 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: packrat35

white AND (Zimmerman) JEWISH


40 posted on 04/23/2012 7:24:23 AM PDT by capt B
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To: anglian

The mystery of the 7-11 and the Skittles


41 posted on 04/23/2012 4:38:45 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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