Posted on 12/20/2011 9:22:48 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Another way to find the legal people? Wonder what information would have to be disclosed on the ID application? Since, by law, am required to carry state issued ID, and federal issued ID (social security card) why would it be necessary to carry another federal issued ID? mitt, go to the back of the line. Say what, you are exempt from obtaining the ID? Figures.
“You’ve got to crack down on employers that hire people that are illegal, and that means you have to have a system that identifies who’s here legally, with a biometric card that has: this is the person, they’re allowed to work here. You say to an employer, you look at that card, you swipe it in your computer, you type in the number, it instantly tells you whether they’re legal or not.”
Opening the gates to more Regulations when the ones we currently have on the books cannot be addressed as to accuracy is just foolish.
We don’t need more Regulations to create Security for our Nation. What we need is results. Don’t like illegals hired by Companies here? Close down anyone found hiring/employing them for 30 days. Sure - it would mess up the flow of manufacturing (ha!), but how many times would it take until the legal employees of said Company would not allow it in the future.
95% of Americans are spoiled babies who use the words “It’s not fair!” at least once a day. What’s not fair is expecting the rest of us to walk around like tagged cattle waiting for the slaughter because “they” said so. We “can’t handle” the results of not managing our own affairs - that is why we continue to vote for the “least worst” person to represent us.
Nice option.
Ping
I believe the argument is that citizens should not have to present an ID card to prove they are allowed to be here.
But some think we need to oppose an ID card because they don’t want to be required to carry it around. I think we could implement an ID card that wasn’t a requirement for carrying around, but is necessary at key points. And I agree with you that we already have ID cards for that purpose — you need a driver’s license when you want to be on the road, you need some sort of ID to get on a plane, you need some OTHER type of ID to get a job.
I think it would be useful to have a single ID for that purpose, but I understand why people fear it. I just don’t see that argument as a “conservative vs liberal” argument. It’s something we really need to work through, to see what the intended and unintended consequences of such a new ID would be.
As others have said, right now immigrants are required to have a card, and if they are pulled over without one, they can be put through deportation. The natural outcome of that is that while citizens do NOT need a card, if a police officer interacts with you, and has any reason to think you might not be a citizen, they WILL ask you for ID, and if you don’t have any ID, they won’t be able to distinguish between “citizen who doesn’t need an ID” and “immigrant who should have an ID and doesn’t”.
Unfortunately, technology has settled the question of tracking. It would take a monumental effort to live in a way that the government couldn’t pretty much know every intimate detail.
In one story I read, google actually pulled their facial recognition application because they found it was just too good, and it scared them — and if Google was scared of invading your privacy, you know it was bad, because they have no problem with driving by your house and publishing pictures showing your exact location and every expensive toy you might have sitting in sight, along with your children playing in the yard.
Next he will order Tattoo numbers on each person—Wrong move Mittens.
And they'll be high-speed, too!
Just about every place you go and shop these days wants you to be a club member in order to get discounts not to mention the other means of information gathering. Ace Hardware Rewards card, Barns and Noble, Best Buy, Open Road Tolling; smart phone applications, you name it.....especially banks banks banks.
This is not just used to give discounts, but to gather information on you that can be sold to the highest bidder. The more information the more predictable you become.
The danger is when government becomes very interested in this information and the line between corporate and government becomes blurred.
This information gathering has become predatory and will only get worse.
We have have just cause to be concerned about National ID Cards, because they have commonly been used to facilitate tyranny around the world.
Romney's opponents for the GOP nomination should ask him to elaborate on what he intends here.
Thanks for the ping.
If you get stopped driving a car without a license, did you know you are allowed 24 hours to produce the license and avoid a ticket.
If the occasion arises and you are found without ID then just go home and get it. If they won’t allow you to do that, then it won’t matter because we have already went over the cliff.
This is the same logic as gun control. Dump laws and restrictions on the law biding... Please God, NOT Romney...
Israel has a national ID card. Thus far, nobody’s had their rights trampled on because of it. Because of other things, sure, but not a national ID card.
I don't contend that their is a 100% correlation between national ID cards and government repression. Israel has its own reasons for using it, undoubtedly based on very real and immediate national security concerns.
But as an American, I think that that a national ID card opens up another possible tool for government to repress its citizens. In a time when there is much legitimate concern in the US about the expansion of federal government power domestically (the TSA actions at the airports, as one of many examples), the idea of a national ID for all does not evoke positive vibes.
Romney needs to be confronted about this. There is no justification for it at all.
Between RomneyCare and this crap, Milt proves beyond any doubt that he’s MORE statist than most Rats.
And he may be the GOP POTUS nominee.
yay......
Remember the old cliche from the WW2 movies: “Your papers, please.” Romney wants to empower his own version of the Gestapo or KGB? What kind of moron is the “smartest Republican in the room?” He’s just like his buddy Barry, The One.
No more Clintons. No more Bushes. No Newts. No Mitts. I have spoken! :)
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