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Rick Perry’s Second Time At Bat
Red State ^ | December 4, 2011 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 12/04/2011 7:10:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Last night on Fox News’ candidate forum, Governor MItt Romney defaulted to quoting David Brooks from the New York Times. There’s why Herman Cain’s supporters will be looking at Gingrich and Perry.

In fact, last night a number of Cain’s Iowa staff moved to Rick Perry.

Rick Perry will get another look. He will get another look because while the grassroots and Republican voters in general are moving to Gingrich, conservative leaders around the country are rapidly running up their watch towers to light fires against Gingrich. They remember him from the 90′s and they don’t trust him.

Rick Perry is going to get a second look. Jon Huntsman made the fatal mistake of branding himself too moderate. He’ll get a look if people don’t like what they see in Rick Perry.

This now raises a huge red flag: is Rick Perry ready for his second chance?

I’m not sure Perry is ready. His debate performances have steadily improved. But there is a real problem for Perry. He needs to run a really flawless race and his campaign needs to send out some strong signals that they get it and will perform.

Rightly or, I hope, wrongly, I get the impression they still think it is their race. I think they still think they are biding their time. I think they still think they are fighting Kay Bailey Hutchison. I think if they don’t wake up soon and shake up, they are toast.

Rick Perry is going to get a second look. He is the most consistent conservative in the race. In fact, this should be his race to lose given his positioning.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: conservatism; economy; perry2012; statesrights
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1 posted on 12/04/2011 7:10:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Perry: Uproot and Overhaul Washington

The Perry Plan: Energizing American Jobs and Security

The Perry Economic Plan: Cut, Balance and Grow

Texas, Austin exception to gloomy retail picture

Texas Debt Clock

2 posted on 12/04/2011 7:12:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry sounded promising until he opened his mouth. I can’t support any amnesty friek or fanatical opponent of enforcement. Newt and Perry (and Huntsman) are the ones openly on the wrong side.

Oh, and I don’t like to be called racist, inhumane or heartless either.


3 posted on 12/04/2011 7:14:23 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry is the one. His flat tax, energy plan and jobs plan will set America on the right course again. He is pro-life and will close the border. He has the whole package and his campaign team definitely gets it.


4 posted on 12/04/2011 7:17:14 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: McLynnan

I would like to see Perry as the candidate as well..time for a change..or we are out of time..


5 posted on 12/04/2011 7:19:16 AM PST by aces
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

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6 posted on 12/04/2011 7:19:16 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m liking what I see and hear out of Perry. I trust him more than Newt.


7 posted on 12/04/2011 7:21:31 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry may win one primary state: Texas. Newt will sweep the rest of the south and west. Milt will win some northeastern states and maybe a few in the midwest.

I hope all of you Perry Fanatics don’t waste too much of your hard earned money on Perry donations.

Amerika will not vote for Bush III. We really didn’t like the last two.


8 posted on 12/04/2011 7:22:19 AM PST by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

Just for grins, take a look at post #6 above and help me understand how this is Bush #3...


9 posted on 12/04/2011 7:23:53 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Folks, please don't delude yourselves here; especially you Perry supporters. The template has been set by the Left, and they've proven they will indeed beat us.

Seems i remember a good many Perry supporters getting behind the Left-Wing smear job on Cain by Politico. Yep, many of you were saying: “These allegations against Cain are a distraction, he needs to drop out.” You see, to many of you, it really didn't matter if he was guilty of anything or not, it was simply that the allegations were made. To coin the familiar Leftist charge: “It was the seriousness of the charge.”

I'm hearing several Perry supporters say things like: “The media already went after Perry; there's nothing more they can bring against him.” Oh really? Nothing ever came about from the first four women in Cain's past. Did the media just go away and leave him alone? Heck no! They brought out a another woman with an equally seedy background.

If you Perry supporters thought the Leftist’s first attacks on Perry were harsh, you haven't seen anything yet. That will look like tiddly winks compared to what he's in store for should he surge in the polls.

I'm hoping to see the Perry supporters who got behind the Politico hit piece on Cain, to be be equally supportive when they shred your guy. The knife cuts both ways when you decide to lay down with these dogs in the media!

10 posted on 12/04/2011 7:26:40 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry’s strong suit is that as president he will wake up every morning and plan new attacks on overbearing federal regulators.


11 posted on 12/04/2011 7:27:39 AM PST by umgud
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To: heiss
Oh, and I don’t like to be called racist, inhumane or heartless either.

Rick Perry never uttered a word about "inhumane" or said "heartless."

Gov. Perry has sincerely apologized (didn't say "If you were offended...") for saying people "didn't have a heart" if they didn't try to understand why Texas has had to work around problems the Federal government has caused and refuses to fix. Rick Perry's frustration got the better of him because he has been a border governor fighting for a very long time to secure the border, and has done what can be done on the state level, has fought the courts and pleaded for the INTERNATIONAL border to be sealed, has put (to date) $400 Million TEXAS state dollars and boots on the border. He is the only candidate running who truly intends to seal the border -- and NO amnesty.

12 posted on 12/04/2011 7:27:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AdamBomb
Amerika will not vote for Bush III. We really didn’t like the last two.

While I know Perry is not perfect, I like the guy. I really do. But, I live, breathe and eat this stuff. Even I am amazed sometimes how much his mannerisms or voice reminds me of Bush. The average Joe could be easily convinced he's just like Bush and that this horrific time on their lives when they had houses, jobs, hope and cars should, never, ever be repeated.

13 posted on 12/04/2011 7:27:56 AM PST by riri
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Although opposed to his illegal tuition stance, some of his announced initiatives are about the best I’ve heard so far:

1. Get control of the border. I think he means it.

2. The energy policy he announced.

3. The post card/20% flat tax option.

4. The part-time congress concept.

5. Eliminate or significantly scale back departments of Energy, Education, and Commerce.

He is really ticked over 10th Amendment issues and I think he is serious about scaling back the scope and power of the feds over the states.

I think all of these


14 posted on 12/04/2011 7:28:21 AM PST by mtrott
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To: McLynnan

I wouldn’t say he has the whole package, but compared to the alternatives, he’s way ahead.


15 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:26 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: mtrott

And Rick Perry will stand with our allies and be a strong national security president.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: shield

Ping


17 posted on 12/04/2011 7:30:09 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: bigbob

I trust him more than Newt.

Same here.


18 posted on 12/04/2011 7:30:15 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Rick Perry never uttered a word about “inhumane” or said “heartless.” “

He said we don’t have heart. If you try to insist “no heart” is different from “heartless”, I give up. Whatever.


19 posted on 12/04/2011 7:31:00 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry is in my top tier. I think he would have a 50/50 shot to beat Zero, but I don’t think he can beat Newt. Whatever you think of him, Newt is a known quantity and cannot be redefined. Perry can.


20 posted on 12/04/2011 7:31:44 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: AdamBomb
I hope all of you Perry Fanatics don’t waste too much of your hard earned money on Perry donations.

Well, at least they haven't sent money to a candidate who isn't even in the race anymore.

21 posted on 12/04/2011 7:32:25 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good article. Thanks for posting.


22 posted on 12/04/2011 7:33:27 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: McLynnan
Perry is the one. His flat tax

What kind of "flat tax" has deductions? Sorry, you can call it a flat tax all you want to but it isn't one.

23 posted on 12/04/2011 7:34:14 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A comment I made over at Redstate:

One thing that seems to get lost is that it’s not just what the candidate says, but how he says it. The later is where Perry has – and continues – to fall on his face. I think some here get so hung up on the substantive that they forget the importance of the superficial. We are talking about the general electorate here. Many are not political junkies or policy wonks. So to them that superficial has a lot of impact.

I watched Perry on Huckebee’s forum last night. His performance – especially during his closing – was at times cringe inducing. It didn’t matter what he was saying. It was that he almost tied his tongue into knots at times. If you want to see exactly what I mean look at this video at the 1:55 mark where he talks about making congress a part time congress:

Link to Video

My reaction when watching that was “Come on man, spit it out!”

Another thing that is particularly grating is his pronunciation of legislator – legislaTORE.

This is not a rare problem with Perry and it’s a serious one, He will continue to perform like this because it’s part of who he is. If you don’t think that this will have a profound impact on the general electorate then you are fooling yourselves.

For this reason alone, Perry would get creamed in the general.

24 posted on 12/04/2011 7:34:26 AM PST by TBBT
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To: bigbob

Right. And you know Perry is truthful.


25 posted on 12/04/2011 7:36:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Artcore
Seems i remember a good many Perry supporters getting behind the Left-Wing smear job on Cain by Politico

I guess that's the latest fantasy we're going to read about incessently, even though you won't find evidence for a "good many" of anybody doing what you claim, much less "Perry supporters".

The distraction was how he handled the charges, not the charges. He just dropped out -- so apparently Cain himself found the charges and how he handled them too much of a distraction. Kind of odd to attack some other candidate's supporters for a decision made by the candidate.

I also have missed Perry supporters claiming there's nothing more to bring against him. It's like you are building straw men because it's easier to argue that way.

I would presume all our candidates, especially the strong conservative ones like Perry, will get attacked. It's how you HANDLE those attacks that is important -- like how Perry was able to easily deflect the "racist rock" story (except of course for Cain adopting it as a personal attack on Perry's "sensitivity").

26 posted on 12/04/2011 7:39:51 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bigbob
help me understand how this is Bush #3...

Here's how the MSM will play that card in the general election. Back to back soundbites on any give topic from each where the postion is similar. That will be followed by "They even sound the same." Dems will use similar tactics with the banner, "Wasn't two Bushes enough?" Not fair, but #justsayin

27 posted on 12/04/2011 7:40:26 AM PST by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: TBBT

All Rick Perry has to do is stand on stage with the “anointed” one and speak plainly.

I’ll take the truth, plain spoken, any day against the liar (who really is not an orator — please...) who has driven this country into the dirt on purpose.

All Perry has to do is point to Texas and then point to the Obama Administration and ask the American people for their vote.

Perry will be the nominee and he will go after Obama like each and every conservative is chopping at the bit to do.

And the voters will elect Perry in a landslide.


28 posted on 12/04/2011 7:42:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Servant of the Cross

You’re welcome.


29 posted on 12/04/2011 7:43:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CharlesWayneCT

When your support goes from 30 something to less than 10 % and your donations dry up, you pretty much have no choice but to quit.

That is a result of conservatives being gullible idiots.

Don’t put the cart before the horse.

How did conservatives “HANDLE” the attacks? They believed them.

Once again, conservatives failed to circle the wagons.

How shocking.


30 posted on 12/04/2011 7:46:47 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry deserves a second look. Republicans/Conservatives need to stop demanding we have a slick used car salesman as our nominee and look to a candidate who has some executive experience and knowledge.

In my opinion, that leaves Gingrich and Perry. Gingrich has a bad problem with making poor decision. That leaves Perry.


31 posted on 12/04/2011 7:46:49 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
All Rick Perry has to do is stand on stage with the “anointed” one and speak plainly.

The problem with your theory is that at first he has to be able to speak. And therein lies the problem.
32 posted on 12/04/2011 7:51:09 AM PST by TBBT
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sorry guys, but as we sit here this A.M. and post on this thread, the Left-wing attack machine is in full destroy mode with their sites set on Perry. I'll wager you stories (allegations) are being created right now.

Remember, Cain had nothing but allegations made against him, and he's history...finished...gone!

The Left have succeeded in two ways:

1) They've proven that all it takes is allegations (with no hard proof) to cast doubts in the minds of voters...especially conservative voters

2) They've learned that that they can entice conservatives to join in their hit pieces if it helps the other “conservatives” candidate.

To those who cheered Cain's decision to drop out of the race; you did so not realizing this spelled our doom for 2012. The Left have succeeded in not only removing Cain from the race, but also proving that mere allegations are enough to destroy our candidates.

When "conservatives" decided to join in and accept the Left's allegations on Cain (Media hit-Piece) our fate was sealed. Perry and Newt are next. The Media taste blood in the water. We can blame no one but ourselves. I cannot believe we just handed them the victory in 2012.

33 posted on 12/04/2011 7:52:22 AM PST by Artcore
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To: TBBT

Particularly grating to many of us is the superficial dislike of some to regional accents. Rick Perry has a west Texas accent, for heaven’s sake! I’d rather hear that than harsh New York or Boston accents.

If your choice of candidate is based on how they pronounce words, it’s your loss.


34 posted on 12/04/2011 7:55:29 AM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: TBBT

Particularly grating to many of us is the superficial dislike of some to regional accents. Rick Perry has a west Texas accent, for heaven’s sake! I’d rather hear that than harsh New York or Boston accents.

If your choice of candidate is based on how they pronounce words, it’s your loss.


35 posted on 12/04/2011 7:55:43 AM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: TBBT

Particularly grating to many of us is the superficial dislike of some to regional accents. Rick Perry has a west Texas accent, for heaven’s sake! I’d rather hear that than harsh New York or Boston accents.

If your choice of candidate is based on how they pronounce words, it’s your loss.


36 posted on 12/04/2011 7:55:48 AM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Charles,

Please talk to me in a few weeks when the media begin their assault on Perry. No matter what Perry does or says, charges will be made that he handled it poorly. It really won’t matter if the Left-Wing hit pieces are true or not; it will only matter how he handles it...right? Well, here’s a reality; a good many folks (with the media’s help) will observe that Perry’s not handling the allegations well. My guess is, folks like you and other Perry supporters will then resort to: “Yeah, but these are bogus allegations!” Remember, Cain wasn’t afforded the benefit if these allegations were true or not; nope, it was “how he handled the allegations” that really mattered...right?

As I said, the criteria that folks like you set for Cain will be Perry’s (and any other surging GOP candidates) doom.

I’m really looking forward to you using the same criteria when analyzing Perry. Somehow, I just know when the Left go after Perry it will “different.”

We are indeed screwed in 2012.


37 posted on 12/04/2011 8:07:28 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Double Tap

Exactly.

Perry’s opposition is working overtime to bury the facts about the surging Texas economy and Perry’s national policy rollouts.

He’s ready to pare back big government and many on both sides of the divide don’t like that one little bit.


38 posted on 12/04/2011 8:07:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Artcore

The MSM has been brutal to Perry — they’ve made him out to be a mean, racist moron. It’s been so over the top, I’m surprised you’ve missed it. They had to “Quayle” him ASAP and not give him any traction. Well, now the rubber is going to hit the road again and conservatives are going to reassess Gov. Perry, look at his record, see what the Left has tried to hide and learn the facts.


39 posted on 12/04/2011 8:15:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

While not a Rick Perry fanatic - and I live in Texas - here is how I see it.....

Rick Perry is for America.

Newt is for Newt.

Just sayin’......


40 posted on 12/04/2011 8:17:26 AM PST by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Donkey Odious

You said it exactly as it is.


41 posted on 12/04/2011 8:32:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“The MSM has been brutal to Perry — they’ve made him out to be a mean, racist moron. It’s been so over the top, I’m surprised you’ve missed it.”

Oh, I didn't miss anything; I'm simply saying that this will be considered child's play compared to what's in store for him. Make no mistake, the Leftist’s are high-fiving each other, and laughing at the GOP at Cain's withdrawal.

“Well, now the rubber is going to hit the road again and conservatives are going to reassess Gov. Perry, look at his record, see what the Left has tried to hide and learn the facts.”

Actually, here's what's going to happen: the media will run any type of dirt (allegations) in Perry's past. Remember, it won't matter if it's credible or not; it will be the “seriousness of the charge” and how he handles it that will matter. The Left have already proven that this tactic was successful with Cain...why would they change strategies now? I'll wager they'll go after Perry even harder than Cain.

You see, “his [Perry's] record” really won't matter when the assault begins. That's the purpose. These Leftwing hit-pieces keep the candidates off message, and cast doubts in the voters minds. After the assault begins, people won't be asking; “What are his positions on the issues?” No, instead, just like with Cain, the questions and concerns will be: “He's not handling these allegations well.”

You see, when the media were able to convince “conservatives” to go along with their trashing of Cain; they set the template for what would be the fate of all other surging GOP candidates. Cain also helped ensure our defeat by willingly dropping out of the race. He solidified to the Left that they are indeed still able to destroy our candidates.

Truth no longer matters; only allegations and how one handles them is all that counts. Trust me when I tell you; the Left will utterly destroy Perry. We've allowed the Left to do this to us.

42 posted on 12/04/2011 8:34:51 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“The MSM has been brutal to Perry — they’ve made him out to be a mean, racist moron. It’s been so over the top, I’m surprised you’ve missed it.”

Oh, I didn't miss anything; I'm simply saying that this will be considered child's play compared to what's in store for him. Make no mistake, the Leftist’s are high-fiving each other, and laughing at the GOP at Cain's withdrawal.

“Well, now the rubber is going to hit the road again and conservatives are going to reassess Gov. Perry, look at his record, see what the Left has tried to hide and learn the facts.”

Actually, here's what's going to happen: the media will run any type of dirt (allegations) in Perry's past. Remember, it won't matter if it's credible or not; it will be the “seriousness of the charge” and how he handles it that will matter. The Left have already proven that this tactic was successful with Cain...why would they change strategies now? I'll wager they'll go after Perry even harder than Cain.

You see, “his [Perry's] record” really won't matter when the assault begins. That's the purpose. These Leftwing hit-pieces keep the candidates off message, and cast doubts in the voters minds. After the assault begins, people won't be asking; “What are his positions on the issues?” No, instead, just like with Cain, the questions and concerns will be: “He's not handling these allegations well.”

You see, when the media were able to convince “conservatives” to go along with their trashing of Cain; they set the template for what would be the fate of all other surging GOP candidates. Cain also helped ensure our defeat by willingly dropping out of the race. He solidified to the Left that they are indeed still able to destroy our candidates.

Truth no longer matters; only allegations and how one handles them is all that counts. Trust me when I tell you; the Left will utterly destroy Perry. We've allowed the Left to do this to us.

43 posted on 12/04/2011 8:34:57 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Artcore
Remember, Cain wasn’t afforded the benefit if these allegations were true or not; nope, it was “how he handled the allegations” that really mattered...right?

I don't remember that at all. I'm a Perry supporter but when the women first came out I was one of the first saying to wait until all the facts came out. After the second, third, and forth accuser came forward I kept my mouth shut because I STILL thought there needed to be proof. And I was furious at Cain at the time for blaming Perry! An unjustified accusation, but still kept my mouth shut.

44 posted on 12/04/2011 8:35:41 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bttt


45 posted on 12/04/2011 8:48:53 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: varina davis

No one had a problem with Perry’s regional accent when he burst onto the scene at the very top of the top tier, did they? It wasn’t until he had to articulate his positions in debate that he floundered. Don’t go getting all defensive and regionalist. We’re (almost) all Americans here. Perry’s West Texas accent has little to do with his current predicament.

Perry has a terrific record in TX, from what I can tell, but he has to be able to articulate it clearly in any damned accent if he wants to be POTUS. It’s really that simple.


46 posted on 12/04/2011 8:55:31 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Artcore
...Truth no longer matters; only allegations and how one handles them is all that counts. Trust me when I tell you; the Left will utterly destroy Perry. We've allowed the Left to do this to us.

The truth does matter. Your defeatist postings on this thread will not keep Perry from fighting on as he already has. He has weathered the non-stop attacks and stayed out there meeting the people -- who like him and his proposals.

47 posted on 12/04/2011 8:56:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: shield

A long list of accomplishments and/or claims. Yet, conspicuously absent any stance on illegal immigration. You could add the obligatory “wants to close the border” but then again, I guess the in-state tuition thing is out of the bag already, huh....

NO SALE!


48 posted on 12/04/2011 8:59:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Artcore
Thankks for your post. It's good to know what the Romney camp is thinking! You guys are the ones who should give up. Romney will NEVER be President! He can't carry the South and no Republican can win without the South.

If you guys cared a whit for this country you'd tell your Ken doll candidate to drop out.

49 posted on 12/04/2011 9:00:39 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Unquestionably Bachmann is a more consistent conservative than Perry.

Perry’s fine with an authoritarian approach to “save lives” if his backers want a Gardasil mandate. He’s a TTC globalist if that’s what his backers want as well. And don’t get me started on illegal immigration.

Bachmann has weaknesses of her own, but conservative inconsistency and big-time cronyism are not two of them.


50 posted on 12/04/2011 9:04:48 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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