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To: Mycroft Holmes
I am a research scientist and I normally get paid for this kind of work. I am more than willing to to some Freep Open Source Science but I draw the line at graduate student gruntwork.

More pompous ass talk. I don't believe you take yourself that seriously, Sherlock! lolol

PS Not trying to start a pissing contest but you simply make people roll their eyes. Have a good day, friend.

154 posted on 11/16/2011 1:00:40 PM PST by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: citizen
No problem on the pissing contest. From another, later thread after getting the data from kevmo (thanks!) I wrote back to him:

Has anyone ever operated an E-Cat for an extended period of time? Say, till it stopped operating for some reason yet to be determined? If yes, is there data?

Some observations. The calorimetry appears to be generally awful. I'd throw right out all of the phase change ones simply because you can have non-phase change measurements that aren't subject to dispute. That still leaves experiments where the excess energy relative to the input is interesting without having taken a detailed look at the possible stored energy. A detailed look is possible since that data is provided. Better heat measurements would be nice.

On a PR note, I'd lose all arguments of the form "how could your fool n scientists". As a scientist I would say that we are fooled pretty damn easily as a class. Nature is subtle, not deceptive and we aren't inclined to look for the lie. If I were an investor and could send one guy to examine the apparatus it would be the magician Penn Gillette. I'd tag along too of course, it's Italy.

Another thing I'd lose is the Conan-Doyle quote. When I have actually found myself in that situation in the past, having though I'd eliminated the possible, it was usually a failure of imagination. The more common error is to fail to see a possibility as existing at all and thus miss it.

Generally I'd avoid all appeals to authority as a form of argumentation. Some of the data looks pretty good. What is needed is more and better data to make the case. I trust the guys currently running the independent tests to do them honestly. Cases of individuals committing scientific fraud occur often enough that I have personally seen more than one. Groups of three I haven't seen or heard of yet so I am in principal happy with three guys doing independent testing. Most likely they are not colluding. Are there any plans to do more tests with better calorimetry?

This ends the quoted section.

I have actually been paid more than once by more than one company to analyze new technology. Numeric analysis of the latest and best data is possible and would take 2-3 days of hard cranking to do it right. Based on about 8 hours of serious reading of the data presented if I were working for a serious investor I would recommend hiring a technically savvy magician to evaluate the apparatus.

I might crank the numbers on the latest experiment, but it really is 20 hours work to determine if they really have something from the data presented. Any freep who wants a piece of the heavy lifting is more than welcome to freepmail me.

155 posted on 11/16/2011 1:32:45 PM PST by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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