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Teaching 1st grader to read, "sounding it out" not allowed?!
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Posted on 10/25/2011 11:57:11 AM PDT by Gennie

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To: Gennie

Whole word or whole language is what they called it in California, most schools here were big supporters of this until after a generation of kids had graduated functionally illiterate, then they switched back to phonics. If you let them do this to your kid I’d say you’re guilty of child abuse at best, evil destruction of your son’s life at worst. Get him out of there as fast as you can as he is already brainwashed against you by following the teachers (governments) orders rather than yours. How soon before he starts informing on what you are doing in you own home?


61 posted on 10/25/2011 12:43:58 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Gennie

My three year old knows his letters and sounds, and as a result is now sounding out words. I’d love to take credit for his reading but I’ve been focused on homeschooling his older sisters. And therein lies the rub. Three year olds can teach themselves to read when given the tools.

If simply teaching your kids letter names and sounds can ge them to read, then do we really need headstart and reading specialists in schools? No we don’t. But if they keep reading some mystery that only trained indoctrinators, I mean educators can unlock the secrets to, then they can better justify their bloated payrolls.

Take a look at public school math texts. There’s no explaining the why just “memorize this and use it” leading to the whole “math is hard” and parents thinking they can’t help their kids.


62 posted on 10/25/2011 12:45:31 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Gennie

Hope you get a chance to digest all the comments on the thread as there’s lots of good info here.

I was one of those who picked up reading by having a good memory. My school didn’t teach phonics until 2nd grade and my mom didn’t understand why I couldn’t “sound it out”. I didn’t learn a lot of the rules until my friend homeschooled her kids. I now have a grandniece who has problems reading; one of the comments here has given me a hint where to explore for help for her.

The school’s “mind-control” is really at work; she won’t listen to anything I say, whether math or reading, because I’m not doing it the way the teacher does it. Notice how your son has picked that up already; make sure you continue to remind him that YOU are the authority over him (under God). Hitler started young on German kids!


63 posted on 10/25/2011 12:49:13 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: Gennie
what he learns in school is always supplemental to what we teach anyway.

Exactly why your child will be a successful scholar and thinker and why you will be the bane of your child's more "forward-thinking educators."

64 posted on 10/25/2011 12:49:53 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Gennie

Sounding out words works fine. Try this with your kids teacher and see if she can figure it out phonetically:

“Go ____ yourself.”

I bet she can even fill in the blank all on her own.


65 posted on 10/25/2011 12:50:41 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: NavyCanDo
Yep, it is Everyday Mathmatics. Here's an article my husband wrote last yeah about it -

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/reform_math_1.html

We've had extensive problems with this school, I don't know if you can flip through some of those articles on there or my past posts, I don't think I've even posted anything. The ironic thing is we're out here in central PA, Pensyltucky as it's coined...you wouldn't think it's a liberal haven that it is.
66 posted on 10/25/2011 12:51:54 PM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

Mrs. R2 is a 1st grade teacher. She has lost count at the number of “stategies” the school district has implemented over the years.

They are like the “flavor of the month”. Whatever is new and hyped up by publishers and high-level eudcators at central office is what the teachers are stuck with.

This summer my wife was sent to a weeklong workshop to be proficient in some new reading program. The district paid big bucks for her and her first grade team to attend this conference. Great. Except the Friday before school started? The district decreed that no.. That idea has been scrapped and instead all teachers will begin this “new and improved” cirriculum. One - as you might expect - they knew NOTHING about.

Anyway - try to to get too ruffled about this “no sounding out” crapola. That’ll probably be ditched soon in favor of some new crapola.


67 posted on 10/25/2011 12:52:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: grellis
It all comes down to parental involvement, and from what I have read here, you're doing just fine. Keep it up!

As a former public school teacher, I believe this is idea is KEY. Too many parents have relinquished the responsibility of training and educating their own children. That includes teaching simple concepts: manners, good conduct, personal responsibility, obedience, respect for self and others.

Too many parents have become so busy just trying to practice the many rules laid down by government and the pc police, as well as just making a living, that they have little time to do their real job. This is just part of the socialist/statist conspiracy. And yes, I truly believe that statement.

I'll take this another step forward. I truly believe evil is rampant in the world, and by destroying all of our basic values, Satan and his minions are winning the battle.

68 posted on 10/25/2011 12:53:32 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: Gennie

I would be tempted to send her a photo of my hand flipping the bird with the caption underneath, “sound this out.”


69 posted on 10/25/2011 12:53:42 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: KarlInOhio

I am often surprised that Shakespeare learned to read before phonics was invented.


70 posted on 10/25/2011 12:56:01 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: Gennie
Okay, the second page you posted has me giggling...what's up with the second strategy--"Get your mouth ready"? Ready for what? A big piece of pie? Surely not to sound it out! It's almost as if these instructions and strategies are deliberately designed to confuse.
71 posted on 10/25/2011 12:56:12 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Oh, I am, and actually it’s nothing I didn’t already know as we have an older daughter in school and were prepared for issues when he went in last year...we have 4 kids, only 2 are in school at the moment. I hope nobody thought that I was planning on actually LISTENING TO the ludicrous suggestion that “sound it out” should not be used, because we already told him they may not teach him that in school but he WILL be doing that at home. I was just curious as to who else is having these issues because right now the principal already has a file about us.


72 posted on 10/25/2011 12:56:37 PM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie
I would discuss this with the teacher and see if you can get an explanation that makes sense. It certainly seems counterintuitive because obviously there are also many words that you can sound out. But maybe teachers occasionally know a little more about getting kids to read than the average adult. Perhaps sounding out words slows down and discourages new readers and there is some other way of getting to the same point which is more successful and faster.

I think the note makes more sense if you leave out the first sentence. I don't think the teacher is saying that a student learning to read will learn nothing from sounding out words. That is just not one of the strategies they want the kids to follow when they are first learning to read.

So I would suggest being open to the idea that maybe students can learn to read faster without focusing on sounding out (at first). If the teacher can't give you some idea that this is true and that her previous students have become good readers, or if her explanation sounds nutty, then maybe you'll have to think about finding some other option for your son.

73 posted on 10/25/2011 12:58:31 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Disambiguator

—I may have to check it out as a possible supplement to our homeschool.—

That is exactly how I see it, as a suplement. I have been told that MIT also has something like it. The higher up you go in grades, the more challenging it is to find something like this that is really effective, but through JR High at the very least it should be no problem at all.


74 posted on 10/25/2011 12:59:47 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
While this page tend to spout the usual "right wing nazi" pablum, I have found some interesting comments worth repeating.

Grammar schools and high schools throughout Germany now had National Socialist teachers of questionable ability forming young minds in strict adherence to the Party motto: "The supreme task of the schools is the education of youth for the service of Volk and State in the National Socialist spirit." They taught Nazi propaganda as truth and had their young students recite it back from memory.

(snip)

Nazi scientists, educated before Hitler, complained they were hindered in developing new super-weapons by the recruitment of graduates from the Nazified school system. German Army leaders also complained that young officer candidates displayed "a simply inconceivable lack of elementary knowledge."

They didn't even know enough to capitalize the first letter of a proper name. But for Hitler, these shortcomings really didn't matter. The school system now produced what he needed – unquestioning young men ready to obediently serve the Fatherland unto death amid Nazi slogans such as: Believe, Obey, Fight!


nazi teaching
75 posted on 10/25/2011 1:03:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Gennie
If you keep your son in a school that does not teach phonetics=based reading, you are making the mistake that I did, and will sentence your son to a lifetime of inefficient reading. When our sons were small, I moved my family around, over several states, to advance my career. All of our sons except one went through schools where phonetic-based reading was taught. One son, our next to the youngest at the time, went to a school where he was taught to read using word units, or something like that. He is the only poor reader of our sons. He struggled hard to get his bachelor's because of his poor reading skills. He was in one reading course where all he had to do was read a book on the Vietnam war, then take the final. He flunked the course.

None of this is his fault. I bear the brunt of responsibility for leaving him in a school that did not teach phonetics-based reading. I hope you don't make the sae mistake I did.
76 posted on 10/25/2011 1:04:20 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“My morbid curiosity leads me to wonder what it is that Miss Blank considers a “reading strategy”.”

I’ve been pondering that one, too.


77 posted on 10/25/2011 1:04:46 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: Gennie

Your child’s school should be shut down. By the way, how’s the math program? Just as incomprehensible as the reading program?


78 posted on 10/25/2011 1:05:52 PM PDT by goldi (')
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79 posted on 10/25/2011 1:08:26 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Gennie

I’ll dive into that article when I get home from work. Good luck to you, dealing with public schools is a struggle.


80 posted on 10/25/2011 1:12:25 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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