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When Immigration is the Issue, Bachmann's the Only Real Conservative
Reaganite Republican ^ | August 18, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 08/18/2011 5:11:21 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

In grading the 2012 GOP field, none but her and  Cain even manage a passing grade... it's sad

This from an organization that promotes  common-sense immigration policy:

Michele Bachmann:   B -

"Rep. Bachmann earns an Excellent rating because her actions and statements have clearly opposed mass legalizations and have been recent."

Herman Cain:   C- 
Mitt Romney: D
Sarah Palin:  D
 Rick Perry:  D-
Jon Huntsman:  D- 
Newt Gingrich:  D-
Ron Paul:   F
Gary Johnson:   F
Rick Santorum:   F

Of course we all know were the other side stands: can't get any lower from the viewpoint of those patriots who demand our borders and laws be respected...

Barack Obama   F-

More/links/references/pics at Reaganite Republican, inc. a useful scorecard that spells it out with links to each candidates positions, statements, proposals, and platforms re. legal and illegal immigration.

Chalk up yet another issue Michele Bachmann owns... just sayin.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; bachmann; conservative; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; noscamnesty; pimpmyblog; republican
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1 posted on 08/18/2011 5:11:27 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Why dont ou post some of the high points for each one

Im interesting in how you got those scores for Sarah Palin and Herman Cain..


2 posted on 08/18/2011 5:17:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Reaganite Republican

Because she actually has executive experience running or living in a border state?

I’m sure she’s a fine woman but, let’s not get carried away.


3 posted on 08/18/2011 5:18:16 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Reaganite Republican
What is the objective criteria you use to grade the candidate?
4 posted on 08/18/2011 5:18:28 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Maybe some of these candidates should take a page from President Eisenhower’s playbook. Of course that is, if they’re not part of the group(s) that profit from exploiting illegals.


5 posted on 08/18/2011 5:18:49 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

30 million illegals in America are enough to fully populate more than 50 congressional districts. Add their numbers to legal democrats and consider how many more seats the democrats will own in a decade.

The fact is that the GOP is doomed to extinction within 20 years if something isn’t done right now.


6 posted on 08/18/2011 5:22:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Probably based on her path to citizenship stance. Scamnesty under any name is still scamnesty.


7 posted on 08/18/2011 5:25:34 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Reaganite Republican
This from an organization that promotes common-sense immigration policy:

Actually, that's from Numbers USA which promotes the approach to not only eliminate illegal immigration but also eliminate all legal immigration as well. They are more of the extreme, hard line measurement- which is why you find them failing a lot of good Conservatives. While they have mellowed out a lot lately, and they are a good resource for the illegal immigration piece, it is important to understand their history. One of their founders was Algore's buddy whose purpose on ending immigration was environmental. You can still find papers on their website promoting eliminating all immigration and even promoting abortion as a population control method to 'save the environment. For example, this.. and this

8 posted on 08/18/2011 5:27:06 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Reaganite Republican

This is an issue Bachmann has always been clear and has led on. Steve King is also good on this issue.

Hard to top her on this issue. If they beat around the bush and hawk that pathway baloney, it means they are weak on this issue.


9 posted on 08/18/2011 5:32:05 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Reaganite Republican

It is about time people started to realize that Bachmann us the only real conservative


10 posted on 08/18/2011 5:32:56 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: CGalen

During the primary she is the only one so far! She deserves all the support we can giver at this time.


11 posted on 08/18/2011 5:34:58 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

In 2009, Palin appeared on Greta’s show and said she agreed with McCain on the issue.

That would get you a D or worse.


12 posted on 08/18/2011 5:35:05 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Reaganite Republican

Michele is the best by far on this issue.

Most of the others are in the dismal-to-pathetic range.


13 posted on 08/18/2011 5:35:47 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: wolfcreek

My observation is that pols in border states tend to be the absolute worst on illegal immigration. Too many votes and too much guilt.

Perry, for example, has a dozen big red flags waving on this issue.

Bachmann’s not my candidate, and the poster should post the direct link to this scorecard, not a link through his/her blog.

But I give Bachmann her due: she’s the only candidate so far who has spoken out consistently on illegal immigration and hasn’t played games in claiming amnesty isn’t amnesty or avoiding talk of amnesty by focusing just on ‘closing the border first’.


14 posted on 08/18/2011 5:36:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: wolfcreek

Sounds like you’ve got another dog in the fight, Wolf

I’m still looking at Perry and have not endorsed Bachmann yet, fwiw


15 posted on 08/18/2011 5:36:28 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Tennessee Nana

Palin:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/sarah-palin.html

Cain:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/herman-cain.html


16 posted on 08/18/2011 5:38:51 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: indylindy

“This is an issue Bachmann has always been clear and has led on. Steve King is also good on this issue.

Hard to top her on this issue”
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Amen


17 posted on 08/18/2011 5:40:48 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
Sarah Palin “was” against amnesty but for the “path” but she had been influenced by the McCain staff.

Actually,she hasn't really given a recent opinion—in fact,being an Alaskan there wasn't much of a problem with it except for a few rascally Canucks sneaking in from the Canadian Yukon.

Need to hear what she says about it now.

18 posted on 08/18/2011 5:44:11 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("11/4/2008: The day America elected a pyromaniac in the middle of a fire storm.")
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To: Reaganite Republican

What makes me laugh are these ‘path to citizenship’ people that say if the illegals don’t follow certain steps they will be deported. LOL Really? If, as they claim, that we can’t possibly round up illegals for deportation, how is it that they think they will miraculously locate them for deportation if they don’t follow those steps???


19 posted on 08/18/2011 5:44:28 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Happy Rain

From last year

“We won’t complicate it any more. Let’s keep it simple and let’s say, ‘No, if you are here illegally and you don’t follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we’re going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow you to work. If you’re not going to do that, you will be deported you will be gone.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-americans-must-learn-from-reagans-mistakes-on-illegal-immigration/


20 posted on 08/18/2011 5:46:28 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: 9YearLurker
Here in Texas, illegal immigration is a touchy subject. It creates an unusual political climate that people in other parts of the country can't fathom.

Truth is, you don't last long as a Pol here without having to walk a tightrope.

Perry hasn't done everything I think should be done, but, the Feds (as we've seen by their actions against other states) tend to stand in the way. Perry. for example, can't any longer order troops to the border without the Presidents approval.

Here's what he has done:

http://governor.state.tx.us/priorities/security/border_security/

21 posted on 08/18/2011 5:48:26 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek

I know plenty of what he’s done. Along with the DREAM act and opining in Mexico that he longs for an open border and opposing the step AZ has taken and opposing a fence and on and on.

I don’t want him anywhere near federal policy on immigration—and that means nowhere near the presidency.


22 posted on 08/18/2011 6:03:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Netizen

Or even better, they conveniently forget that a path to citizenship already exists. It’s called legal immigration. Illegal immigrants can feel free to go back to their home countries and apply for legal entry at any time.


23 posted on 08/18/2011 6:04:32 AM PDT by wrhssaxensemble (We need an electable conservative in 2012!)
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To: wrhssaxensemble

Good point! :)


24 posted on 08/18/2011 6:09:34 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Tennessee Nana; wolfcreek; Perdogg; 9YearLurker; Reaganite Republican

Im interesting in how you got those scores for Sarah Palin and Herman Cain..
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don’t know about Cain, but Palin herself has recently said we “can’t deport xx million” and said there should be some path to citizenship, although the rejected outright amnesty.

as for “Because she actually has executive experience running or living in a border state?”,
that is an argument akin to men can’t be against abortion,
because they can’t get pregnant.

i avidly respect you on other issues. but in this case, having a politician for OUTSIDE the border, who hadn’t been forced to make compromises for politicial reasons,
could be exactly what we need to fix this problem.

CA and TX spend 21 and 17 BILLION each year for illegals.
our children are being saddled with more and more debt.
this must stop NOW.

(and Palin is WRONG. Milton Friedman showed how to solve the problem easily. STOP giving benefits to people here illegally, and most will leave themselves, without “deporting”!!!)

Bachmann has other problems. And Perry has virtues, i’ll concede. (Pro gun!)
but be honest, Perry is VERY weak here.
He even opposes the AZ law, that itself does nothing more than existing Federal law. He’s lucky he got a “D”.


25 posted on 08/18/2011 6:12:16 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur

Yep, if we can round them up for deportation if they don’t follow certain steps/guidelines, then there is no reason why we can’t just round them up now for deportation for entering illegally. The feds need to stop playing games and get serious.

I can’t help but wonder if Alaska had been over run with illegals and on the brink of bankruptcy over it if Palin would have a stronger stance against illegal aliens.


26 posted on 08/18/2011 6:17:31 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

Pay out a $10,000.00 tax free bounty given to any US citizen who rounds up and brings in an illegal alien for deportation, and the 30 million illegals will all be gone in less than a year.

My gosh! Any young American who can bring in 10 illegals and you get $100,000.00 tax free. Bring in 100 and you are a millionaire.

Every illegal alien caught and brought in gets a permanent and total lifetime ban from our country.

(It would be much cheaper to pay $10,000.00 to get rid of an illegal alien than it would be to give them (and their kids) welfare, schooling, housing, food stamps, free health care, SSI, etc. )


27 posted on 08/18/2011 6:30:34 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: Elendur

I am NOT is favor of open borders, but I have constitutional issues with the AZ law and I do not think it will survive a SCOTUS review. You cannot pick and choose when the 10th Amendment is applicable. Being for or against the AZ law is not really a good test.


28 posted on 08/18/2011 6:30:57 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: CGalen

The problem is that some of those illegals will kill you while you are trying to capture them. $10,000 per illegal is a lot of money for a broke government, but not really enough to lose your life over. needs tweaking


29 posted on 08/18/2011 6:34:40 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Perdogg

How possibly can the AZ law violate the 10th Amendment?


30 posted on 08/18/2011 6:43:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

That immigration efforcement is a role reserved for the Federal, not State govt. I guess one could argue if someone is breaking a federal law then state law enforcement would be obligated to “assist”, however, I don’t think SCOTUS, including Scalia, will buy that. Again, I am opposed to illegals and believe they should be deported, but I am not sure I am in favor of the AZ law.


31 posted on 08/18/2011 6:51:07 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The NeXT american President WILL BE a woman....
And I’m not talking Rudy Giuliani either..


32 posted on 08/18/2011 6:52:55 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Netizen

I don’t understand your point.

Those illegals will probably kill you any way if we don’t do anything if we do not deport them. They are all ticking time-bombs. Illegal aliens commit thousands of violent crimes.


33 posted on 08/18/2011 6:53:56 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: hosepipe

I am thinking it will be either Perry or Christie.


34 posted on 08/18/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Perdogg

The 10th Amendment says nothing about areas that the states can’t choose to enforce laws—only areas that the federal government can’t choose to go.

The AZ law is a state law chosen by the state and in no way is it possible for such a law to violate the 10th Amendment.


35 posted on 08/18/2011 6:56:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Perdogg

[ I am thinking it will be either Perry or Christie. ]

Nope.. Bachmann is supported by the Tpcaucus.. nationally..
So soon they forget Nov... 2010...

However, Perry is start to make very good sounds..
May be all rhetoric... BUT he does seem to cut thru the crap lately..

IF he keeps it up.. he can WIN...
BUT he may not be able to speak the truth for long.. it could stick in his throat..

Gee.. saying the fed is getting close to TREASON... is a winner..
He might even convert Me... even if hes lying thru his teeth..
If he threatens to KILL the EPA or HEW agencys he will attract followers.. en masse...


36 posted on 08/18/2011 7:08:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


37 posted on 08/18/2011 9:31:22 AM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: Reaganite Republican
"We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, "We don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there." And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders[;] the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede [education is the future, and yes, we can]."

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38 posted on 08/18/2011 9:35:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Only true if you join Faux News is keeping Thad McCotter out the race.
I like Bachmann and have donated to her, but am fed up with conservatives ignoring a candidate becuase Fox wants to choose our president.
39 posted on 08/18/2011 10:44:41 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: mnehring

And what is conservative about importing 200 million people or their children, replacing our culture and electorate?


40 posted on 08/18/2011 10:47:13 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Netizen
What makes me laugh are these ‘path to citizenship’ people that say if the illegals don’t follow certain steps they will be deported. LOL Really? If, as they claim, that we can’t possibly round up illegals for deportation, how is it that they think they will miraculously locate them for deportation if they don’t follow those steps???

That's just their attempt to appease those of us who want illegals deported. They think we're too stupid to notice what you pointed out. The fact is, whether illegals follow certain steps or not, they have broken the law and should be deported. It's like saying, "You can break the law as long as you say 'pretty please' and 'Mother, may I.'"

41 posted on 08/18/2011 1:00:37 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: 9YearLurker

Go back and actually research those items. Most of it was taken out of context or are simply half-truths.


42 posted on 08/18/2011 1:58:49 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Elendur
Have you actually researched the charges against Perry or are you just listening to the Liberal talking points, rumors and innuendos (yep, the same ones they'll use) printed here?

Perry just signed a Voter ID and a proof of citizenship to get a TX DL bill into law. He's gotten NO credit for that in this *over zealous* organization's report.

43 posted on 08/18/2011 2:09:48 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek

I’ve read plenty, including his full direct quotes.


44 posted on 08/18/2011 2:26:23 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker; Perdogg
Not only is the FedGov insistent on controlling the immigration aspect, they also now control a governors ability to call up their own state national guard especially if it involves an international border.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=170453

45 posted on 08/18/2011 2:27:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: 9YearLurker

Where are you from. Texans are often misunderstood. <);~)


46 posted on 08/18/2011 2:43:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek

I remember there was a SCC that ruled against the State of Minnesota involving the NG.


47 posted on 08/18/2011 2:55:09 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: CGalen

I just meant for the average person to try and perform essentially a ‘citizen’s arrest’, might be dangerous.

Its too bad that the feds refuse to do their jobs. The law has been broken. It seems to me that SCOTUS needs to address this. Is it a fed or state thing, because with each telling the other to do it, nothing is getting done. If its a fed thing then perhaps the state needs to sue the feds.


48 posted on 08/18/2011 9:20:55 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

Actually, I feel the silence has been deafening surrounding this issue and latest “decree” from King Obama.

Shows how in bed perhaps ALL of them are with illegals and their enablers in this country.

Follow the money.


49 posted on 08/19/2011 6:43:09 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Reaganite Republican; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; reaganaut1; fieldmarshaldj; ml/nj; ...
Great post! Michelle Bachmann stands out alone in the current field of GOP presidential wannabes as a voice for a lawful, orderly, and sensible immigration and naturalization process!

Because of this, she should make the issue more of a focus in her campaign.

50 posted on 08/28/2011 5:07:01 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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