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Chapman: ‘There Is No Question Now That the Game Is Over’
TheSHTFPlan ^ | 11/20/11 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 07/20/2011 9:00:01 PM PDT by Kartographer

The American people are broke.

When 25% of the people have no income coming in and prices for basic goods continue to rise, there will be no upward movement in the economy. Consumers cannot spend, because they have nothing left – their incomes have been eliminated and so too has their credit.

The only hope for growth is more easing by the Fed and more stimulus from Congress, but even that is masking the problem. We may see positive GDP growth as a result, as we have “officially” seen in recent quarters, but this is strictly a mathematical result of rising inflation and increased government sector spending.

It does not mean that there is job creation or traditional consumer spending and economic growth.

The mathematics of this makes our eventual economic destruction an inevitable reality. There is simply no way to stop it.

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“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”

1 posted on 07/20/2011 9:00:03 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

PING!!


2 posted on 07/20/2011 9:01:25 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but as a armed society with a very large entitlement minded population our collapse will be much more violent and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and large scale violence (look at what happened just this past Memorial Day and 4th of July weekends)we are seeing these mobs grow bolder and bolder like:

Chicago’s CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports, the problem of mob attacks downtown is much bigger than the weekend beatings, according to beat cops who wanted to remain anonymous.”

And it’s not just Chicago, but Washington DC, Las Vegas, St Paul, Philadelphia and on most major big ‘Blue’ cities are increasingly reporting such flash mobs and gang muggings. Look what happened just this past weekend in Peoria, Il:

http://peoriachronicle.com/2011/06/25/peorians-living-in-fear/

Teenage Flash Mob Robberies on the Rise:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/18/top-five-most-brazen-flash-mob-robberies/

Rash of violence isn’t flash mobs, it’s wilding

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/5826624-417/rash-of-violence-isnt-flash-mobs-its-wilding.html

Teens in a mob assault and rob Center City patrons

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110629_Teens_in_a_mob_assault_and_rob_Center_City_patrons.html

Milwaukee Police Go Barney Fife On Mob Attacks

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/jeffwagner/125017329.html

Milwaukee Mob Victim Recalls Beating ... ‘Oh, White Girl Bleeds a Lot’

http://nation.foxnews.com/flash-mob-robberies/2011/07/06/oh-white-girl-bleeds-lot-race-mob-attack-rocks-milwaukee

I see what I call ‘Pocket Pogroms’ taking place in many big ‘Blue’ cities and if you aren’t a ‘0bamamite yute’ or one of ‘Holder’s People’ it’s going to get Reginald Denny bad for you very quickly.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


3 posted on 07/20/2011 9:02:10 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

How’s that “hope and change” working out for ya, America? =.=


4 posted on 07/20/2011 9:04:10 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Kartographer
Did you happen to catch the news about this?

Steve Wynn (of Wynn Resorts) Rant Calls Obama's Anti-Business Fear Mongering

Source for above link: The Blaze

5 posted on 07/20/2011 9:09:52 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Kartographer
The only hope for growth is more easing by the Fed and more stimulus from Congress, but even that is masking the problem.

The above is probably the stupidest sentence in this article. The stimulus and easing the fed have caused a lot of the problem. De-regulation and elimination of many govenment agencies, including the EPA, will solve the problem, and nothing else. Until we make it easy for businesses to thrive and make a profit we will NOT recover.

6 posted on 07/20/2011 9:23:27 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Kartographer

In his work “The Year of the Jackpot”, Robert A Heinlein talked about a character named Potiphar Breen who looked for cycles in everything and found matches in the strangest places. One of the things I remember most about that book was when he talked about “The Silly Season” — a time when humans started acting like lemmings, engaging in silly, irrelevant and/or self-destructive behaviors.

In the 30s, it was flagpole sitting, goldfish swallowing, etc. In the sixties, well too many weird things to count. The seventies had streaking, pet rocks and eight inch platform shoes...

The thing is, all of the above were accompanied by deep national angst and confusion, where people lost connection with society and civilization, and just plain started acting weird.

Now we have homosexual marriage, flash-mobs, teens playing “knockout” and God only knows what the next weird thing is going to be. I don’t expect it to be good though.

I’m convinced of one thing though. If there is not a Conservative victory in 2012, there will not be a United States (as it currently exists) in 2016.

The times are both depressingly and frighteningly “interesting”.


7 posted on 07/20/2011 9:24:49 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: Kartographer

Picked up a case of:
Clam Chowder 16 oz @ .99 cents per.
Macaroni and Meatballs 16 oz @ .53 cents per.
Italian Wedding Soup 16 oz @ .99 cents per.
and a case of something else but can’t recall. They were also @ .53 per.

Took pics and posted on the outside of the storage container.

12 Salsa canned in glass @ .44 cents per.

Picked up 4 more Coleman 5 gallon showers to use as transport or even shower. I like their foot print for transport. They just lay real nice.


8 posted on 07/20/2011 9:27:17 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

Are you talkin the black sun shower thingies?

I have one of those, and actually used it camping once. Filled it in the morning, hung it in the sun, and about 6:30 PM me and my wife both got a very nice, very warm shower out of it! Worked great!


9 posted on 07/20/2011 9:38:37 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: Kartographer

we need another calvin coolidge- or a sarah palin will do


10 posted on 07/20/2011 9:38:44 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Kartographer
I posted this from Chapman on Sunday:

Financial Crimes On Wall Street And The Debt Crisis

This comment jumped out at me:

"All of you subscribers in the EU and UK get your funds out of the bank, now, and into gold and silver coins."

11 posted on 07/20/2011 9:47:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

http://www.moneyteachers.org/gold+confiscation+act.htm


12 posted on 07/20/2011 9:50:18 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: Ronin
Madness: 39 Things That Are Driving Ordinary Americans Absolutely Crazy
13 posted on 07/20/2011 9:51:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer
One more prophet who has, by his own estimation, examined all available evidence and reached the inescapable conclusion about the state of things in the future.

All the facts presented show conclusively that declarations about what will be require no qualifiers like "perhaps" or "...On the other hand, things like this are hard to predict with much precision, so maybe...". The prophet perceives trends and extrapolates them. This is done with near perfect knowledge of why trends are headed where he sees them going, and perfect knowledge of what factors and counter-factors may determine where they go in the future.

As often as not, the thing the prophet is cock sure of, due to overwhelming and uncontradicted evidence, is doom.

Maybe one of these days one of these guys will be right. He will look at it carefully and understand all the factors at work with piercing clarity.

Then, sure enough, doom will come, just like had he said it would. Doom will come for the exact reason he said it would. Because he was right, we will all be screwed or dead.

He will be a first - or, at the very least, one of very few.

Maybe the author will be that guy. Maybe Al Gore will be.

14 posted on 07/20/2011 9:55:25 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Ronin

Case and point to you sir!

See “Planking”

http://www.facebook.com/OfficialPlanking

http://www.geekosystem.com/best-planking-pictures/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHnTFesv7c


15 posted on 07/20/2011 9:56:12 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Infidel Inside)
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To: Minn
AH...Huh?
16 posted on 07/20/2011 10:01:59 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam; Kartographer

We’re looking into various ways to heat water simply. Hub is going to make some of them (when he finishes the seventy eleven projects he’s in the middle of..)

There’s one he’s particularly interested in that uses an old gas water heater tank and with a bit of welding and this and that, can burn wood. He’s already collected several old hot water heater tanks - we put an ad in the paper and several people called up to give them, they just wanted to get rid of them. I tried a wanted ad on Craigslist but fools thought it was a scam and removed it.

We’ve lived without “real” hot water for most of the last ten years and it’s about time to have it, even without civilization collapse. We heat it in pots on the woodstove when it’s cold, and just heat on the cook stove (electric) in the summer.

Do it yourself hot water heaters:

http://firewoodresource.com/firewood-accessories/wood-fired-hot-water-heater/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlv_ZvKhLE8

http://www.righthouse.co.nz/products/hot-water/wetback

http://www.drillcat.com/cheap.html (The one hub is particularly interested in making)

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1978-01-01/The-Amazing-500-Wood-Burning-Stove-That-You-Can-Build-for-35-Or-Less.aspx

Various portable on demand propane hot water heaters:

http://www.hotcampshowers.com/zodi_propane_water_heaters

http://www.hotcampshowers.com/eccotemp_tankless_water_heaters

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Camp-Chef-Triton-Hot-Water-On-Demand/10363535?sourceid=1500000000000003260410&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10363535

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Triton-Water-Heater/dp/tags-on-product/B001J4AU2E

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Zodi-Instant-Water-Heater-and-Hot-Shower/4698021

http://www.hotcampshowers.com/eccotemp_tankless_water_heaters

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Triton-Water-Heater/dp/tags-on-product/B001J4AU2E

(Some of the above a duplicate kinds but give an idea of prices and Amazon at least has reviews. I hope some is useful; I did see a Coleman but it just had a faucet for the hot water, shower attachments had to be purchased separately and it was around $250!)


17 posted on 07/20/2011 10:03:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kartographer

depressing...


18 posted on 07/20/2011 10:21:32 PM PDT by Gritty (Only in Washington is a debt increase negotiated between two groups of borrowers-Mark Steyn)
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To: Kartographer
Measures of GDP growth that count government money are false. Government money is not productive. On net it is destructive of production. Not counting the government infusions of printing press money there could not have been growth in any quarter since the bust. Even counting that government money, the constant revisions to the way inflation is reckoned hides most of the real inflation in the economy and that 1.5-2.5 growth we seem to have every quarter has to subtract the 4-8% of real inflation in excess of the counted inflation. This decline will not stơp until the crash. The longer the crash is delayed by the printing presses and by obfuscation and borrowing the steeper and deeper will be the crash when it comes and the harder it will be to come out of it without some sort of Weimar ending denouement.
19 posted on 07/20/2011 10:32:28 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Kartographer

ping


20 posted on 07/20/2011 10:44:31 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: djf

Yeah. I am thinking they are dual use.


21 posted on 07/20/2011 11:19:12 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: reed13; reed13k

bfl


22 posted on 07/20/2011 11:23:16 PM PDT by reed13
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To: djf

Erh, at least that’s the reason I bought them.


23 posted on 07/20/2011 11:23:44 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Kartographer
This guy gets it.

I have been singing this song on FR for over a year.

Debt Deflation.

The consumer (2/3 of the US Economy) is totally and completely tapped out. Even IF they wanted to borrow more money, the can't.

The Velocity of Money is nearly ZERO.

Debt Deflation.

24 posted on 07/20/2011 11:36:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Vendome

Where did you buy those case goods so cheap?


25 posted on 07/20/2011 11:50:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

There is a new store here in San Jose called Fresh and Easy. They are all over California so there may be one near you.

Anyway, what you do is go to the canned goods section and look for the yellow tags.

I just remembered one item I bought is Turkey chili. 2 for $3 bucks. Not a smoking deal but I like chili and honestly, if it’s spicey it has to be pretty good. If not, I have cases of salsa, Tabasco, etc. and other spices to make anything edible.

Everything I have bought from them is pretty good though.

The on in San Jose is at the corner of Bird and Minnesota.

They also have this area where they put produce, meats, sandwiches, sushi for up to 50% off the original price.

They actually get way below 50% if you happen to be there at the right time.

The food is considered expired or getting ready to expire. It’s not even close but it’s their rules.

I bought some sushi a couple of weeks ago for $1.25. I bought a deli sandwich which was normally about $4.50 for $1.85.

Bought a 1# steak for $1.65 and I think it was normally around $5.

They had these BBQ packs for $5 containing 6 drumsticks, 6 hamburgers and 6 sausages. Super delicious and I would expect to pay $10-$12 at a regular store if they had the same thing.

I picked up 6 of them before the 4th of July for $3.50 each and cooked them for a “get together”.

Blamo! Everyone loved every item.

I hadn’t realized they chicken and hamburgers come pre-seasoned.

If you have a “Fresh and Easy” in your area...Go!

They have smoking deals all over the store.

If you are in San Jose or the Bay Area I can go with you and show you how to find deals.

Oh! I just remembered. That stuff I bought today?

I was handed a coupon for $5 off any purchase over $20!

I don’t remember the exact total but I had two sushi, two bags of red potatoes and some bean sprouts.

The sushi was $2 per and I wish they would put more wasabi in the package.

The red potatoes were 3# for $1.10.

The bean sprouts were $.50 cents or so for the bag.

They had a deal on come canned soups for .34 cents and I meant to get them yesterday but they were gone today.


26 posted on 07/21/2011 3:42:39 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Kartographer

btt


27 posted on 07/21/2011 3:45:12 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Mariner

So I looked at your profile and guess you are in the better part of our state, politically speaking. LOL

I love NoCal better.

Go the Fresh and Easy site to find a couple near you and get some smoking deals:
http://www.freshandeasy.com/WhereWeAre.aspx

Oh, and those Union Nazi’s will be standing at the front door looking for sympathetic ears. Just keep walking past them.

There is usually a Fresh and Easy representative at the front door handing out coupons but the other idiots are paid True Believers.

Some of them are from other countries and don’t speak a lick of English.

One fellow was talking to me and I couldn’t understand a word he was saying, except for the word “Union”.

I started speaking Spanish and ......nothing.

I started laughing and asked one of his komrades where the dude was from.

One person answered “You know he doesn’t speak Spanish”

To which I replied “How the hell would I know? I can’t tell what he is speaking but it sounds familiar”.

(guess my making fun of him was obvious)

The person then said “Really? He’s black and you think he speaks Spanish?”.

“Really? He’s black? Well I wouldn’t have ever know that without you as my seeing eye dog”.

Someone said someone said something about the dude being from Suriname, Like I care. But I recalled they speak Dutch and some sort of French.

So I said “Well hell, he’s in Amerika and should speak some English or at least a language we can converse in”.

Guy says “They speak French down there”.

“Really?” I said “It ain’t that big a leap from Spanish to French and I can’t understand this dude. You should at least have people speaking the language of the territory, which happens to be English, here in the USA”.

I kept walking and when I got home looked up Suriname. Crazy Azz country.


28 posted on 07/21/2011 4:02:11 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Gritty

I was depressed about it too but have accepted that it’s going to happen and am actually very interested in what the face of America might look like after..


29 posted on 07/21/2011 5:40:14 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: chicken head
we need another calvin coolidge- or a sarah palin will do

What we need is another George Washington - a born leader not motiviated by a lust for power.

30 posted on 07/21/2011 5:47:55 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Vendome
The Brits have a phrase they use for just such an occasion that I've adopted:

Just look him straight in the eye and say "I think I had one once, but the wheels fell off".

31 posted on 07/21/2011 5:52:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Kartographer
Author's challenge,

but even that is masking the problem.

Great you say what they want to do is only masking the problem... Define the problem. I double dog dare you in the MSM to define the problem.

32 posted on 07/21/2011 5:52:43 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: Kartographer

sfl


33 posted on 07/21/2011 5:57:35 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: phockthis

ditto


34 posted on 07/21/2011 8:33:35 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: Ronin

Good post - in the end a lot of this comes down to leadership, doesn’t it? If you had a *real* leader or set of leaders in place, things would likely be different. A Reagan, a Churchill, a DeGaulle, a Thatcher. I think people innately crave that sort of real leadership - which is obviously completely missing these days.


35 posted on 07/21/2011 8:41:06 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

In the absence of good and proper leadership, the masses will follow anyone with a loud voice.


36 posted on 07/26/2011 2:08:19 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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