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Prepper Thoughts on Martial Law: VANITY
6/12/11 | dagogo redux

Posted on 06/12/2011 10:36:20 AM PDT by dagogo redux

I am posting this vanity to take the pulse of fellow Freepers regarding the possibility of martial law being imposed, and your thoughts on the best way to react when it is.

I’ve been something of a “prepper” for a few years now, watching history unfold and putting store by the truth of the old Boy Scout Motto. I’ve watched our imperfect US Constitution be easily subverted, but I have held fast to my faith in the much more fundamental Declaration of Independence.

Preparedness, the “eternal vigilance” our Forefathers’ spoke of, has seemed a patriotic duty in these dark times. I have felt, given my circumstances in life, that I am about as internally and externally prepared as I can be for whatever comes.

Recently, however, two readings have stirred up some potentially useful doubts, and I wanted to see what various folks among you thought about such things.

One Second After, by William R. Forstchen was not the wake-up call to me that it apparently had been to many others, and it did seem to present a “best case scenario,” if you will, on the role of local communities versus the Feds in restoring order and a semblance of civilization after some dramatic event. I had already thought through, and put into place with my neighbors, the community aspect of things, but it really drove the point home to me (and to my neighbors, who recommended it). However, short of such an “ideal” EMP attack, I doubt things will unfold like that.

More disturbing, I think, are the more likely scenarios in which an all-too-functional State, Federal, and International behemoth will merely step in to restore order through martial law after some natural or concocted emergency. At the same time, those in power would likely use the opportunity to solidify tyrannical power over a once-free people.

This concern was driven home by a recent reading of a little publication titled Understanding and Surviving Martial Law: How to Survive and Even Prosper During the Coming Police State, by Sam Adams. In this (somewhat promotional) pamphlet, he lays out in chilling detail the gathering power - in legislated and fiat laws, in the accompanying attitudes of the power elite, and in the material and organizational planning already underway and often already accomplished - power intended to implement total control over the population when the time is right.

In Chapter VIII, “Adapting to Martial Law,” however, I was shocked to read his solution. Some excerpts follow:

“There will be those who will want to fight, but unless they can get some cohesiveness to their organization, they’re just shooting cap guns at people with tanks. You would do well to mind your own business, be as peaceable as possible, and stay alive. There will eventually be resistance down the road, but at the inception of martial law, that is NOT the time to fight."

And: “Those instituting martial law will be looking for people to make examples of in order to quell any type of uprising or protest from the rest of the sheep. Harsh reprisals at the inception of martial law will keep the masses cowed and controlled.”

He points out the obvious need to cache weapons and food ahead of time, either off site, or concealed well enough on site to evade completely the ubiquitous house to house searches that will take place to confiscate such prepper items. He advocates cultivating carefully chosen networks of like-minded people, not drawing attention to oneself through attitude, speech or behavior, and patiently waiting until things “level off” and a resistance can be formed (I suppose, al la “Total Resistance,” the Swiss guide to such things).

I have often weighed these two paths, and that is the input I’d appreciate hearing from others here. Zombies and chaos I’m ready for. A well organized army of LEOs and US & foreign/UN military imposing martial law is a different matter, and one about which I am torn. My station in life could take me either way quite easily: fight heroically in my last days, or lay low and hopefully live long enough to undermine their regime.

Your thoughts are welcome.


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1 posted on 06/12/2011 10:36:27 AM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

Bump for later.


2 posted on 06/12/2011 10:39:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (No free Lazamataz for you! Come back, one year!)
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To: dagogo redux

3 posted on 06/12/2011 10:45:25 AM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: dagogo redux
I have a prepper friend who fears that the local police could become foragers if things get bad enough. (We refer to anyone who does this as bullies)

He worries that they will use the 'police shield' to gain entry and seize your/our supplies. (At what point do you resist the local police?)

We have discussed having a number of smaller supplies stashes instead of one big one so that all is not lost if we're raided.

4 posted on 06/12/2011 10:48:19 AM PDT by blam
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To: dagogo redux

iPing


5 posted on 06/12/2011 10:51:19 AM PDT by Bush_Democrat (ATLAS SHRUGGED was supposed to be a warning, NOT a newspaper.)
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To: dagogo redux

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/janet-napolitano-visits-nyu-law-school.html

Janet Napolitano Visits NYU Law School to Discuss Need For Citizen Spies (Video)

“We have to get to a place where every part of our society is cognizant of the kinds of threats that are out there, and empowered to take some common sense steps to counter that.” — Janet Napolitano

Homeland Security head, Janet Napolitano, continued her campus tour in a recent stop at NYU Law School where she gave a speech about the state of security as we approach the 10-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, and following the announced death of Osama bin Laden.

In the video below Napolitano lays out a sweeping surveillance agenda that includes citizen spies who have a mission of “shared responsibility” to thwart “Core” al-Qaeda, foreign groups “inspired by” al-Qaeda, as well as domestic “extremist” groups, which apparently include an increasing number of plots by U.S. citizens. She added that “there is no single portrait” of today’s potential terrorist, citing recruiting tactics “including Hip Hop videos, if you can imagine that.” And, naturally, cyberspace. Each of the four key ways that she stated as critical to Homeland Security’s mission will widen the Stasi-style network of unpaid employees of the State virtually deputized to spy on their neighbor in the private and public sector and issue reports to the DHS federal security matrix.

1. Strengthen the nation’s 72 fusion centers, which coordinate with local police, businesses, churches, universities and more in a cooperative effort to federalize local communities. [What does “federalize local communities” mean?]

2. Continue the expanded use of Suspicious Activity Reports (SAR), initially used for IRS reporting and for businesses to alert government officials to large cash purchases at their establishments. The new initiative will cover all sectors that will share back to DHS.

3. Launch the National Terrorism Advisory System to replace the general color-coded terror alert system and set up a “base level” high risk, which will be augmented with specific messages. One component of this new system that she does not address is that it will be directed toward the individual by utilizing a text messaging system, as well as social networks to issue government statements and warnings (or propaganda).

4. Continue expansion of a national “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign that began with the NY Metropolitan Transit Authority, and kicked off at private businesses like Wal-Mart whereby people can receive ongoing messages via telescreens in government buildings, private businesses and public areas, then report on anyone for any reason without consequence for false reports.

She also predictably suggests that the counter-terrorism apparatus is a useful tool that can save citizens in need of rescue from natural disasters. More likely, it is the roll-out of soft martial law that will create a permanent state of fear, suspicion, false arrests, police brutality, and the end of the American republic in the same fashion that led to the end of every society that chose the path of security over freedom.

[Video at link, if you can stand to watch or listen to this cow]


6 posted on 06/12/2011 10:52:34 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: dagogo redux
The USA has insufficient military and adjunct state & local police to impose martial law.

They would have to go on a major recruiting spree.

7 posted on 06/12/2011 11:04:54 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blam

Many cases of this in the aftermath of Katrina. One doesn’t have to look too far into the past to learn.

So, what do you plan to do about it?

Another poster mentioned multile and smaller caches. I would suggest that at least some of them be off site.


8 posted on 06/12/2011 11:10:35 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: dagogo redux
Other thoughts:

1. If you're gonna fight and possibly die, ALWAYS make sure you take at least one enemy combatant with you. ALWAYS.

2. Do not discuss your plans or preparations with ANYONE besides family members you can trust...and life-long friends. DO NOT make new friends.

3. Single men without wife and kids in the house should fight from the inception of Martial Law until their death. If necessary rig your house with explosives to ensure you achieve the primary edict #1 above.

If you gather with other men to fight, you will die.

9 posted on 06/12/2011 11:13:26 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

UNder martial law those powers who could recruit would also be able to implement policies that many WOULD want to sign up quickly and be recruited.

Amnesty for accidental shootings under martial law.

Guaranteed rations and medical care.

A share in any useful things confiscated.

The only things that would be drawbacks would be expulsion and jail for those not following orders, and execution for deserters.

They would get a ton of lowlifes to do their dirty work. Wouldn’t care if they got mowed down at all, it would give them time to flush out people with the real soldiers.


10 posted on 06/12/2011 11:14:47 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dagogo redux

Y2K. Nuff said.
The feds don’t have the manpower and they can’t count on the locals. If you live in a big city, you are already close to it now and if you are a “prepper”, you don’t have any business living there.

I would worry more about how I am going to eat all that food before it spoils and less about the boogyman.


11 posted on 06/12/2011 11:17:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Mariner
Mariner said: "The USA has insufficient military and adjunct state & local police to impose martial law. "

I don't think that will be a problem.

One scenario I can see playing out is a nationwide food shortage. Most people will jump through whatever hoops are put in place in order to obtain food.

The shortage of food doesn't even have to be real. It only needs to be declared. People will strip the shelves of their local stores of food, the authorities will intercept new shipments to "restore order", and the obvious signs of shortage will appear everywhere almost instantly.

I see little limit to what our present population would believe or do.

12 posted on 06/12/2011 11:23:07 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: ASOC
"So, what do you plan to do about it?"

Yield to the first police raid and shoot for any others.(?) If they get all your supplies, you'll die anyway. May as well go down shooting, eh?

We are planning multiple off site locations too.

13 posted on 06/12/2011 11:23:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: Mariner

This has been my initial thought as well.

But it has been effectively done, locally and nationally, in our country’s history.

OTOH, all our military might can’t even beat the Somalis or the Afghans or the Viet Cong. They beat Sadam, then lose the war/country if they leave.

Bring in foreign/UN troops to do the dirty work? That takes enormous logistics, especially to go beyond the major population centers, and even then they would not likely prevail.

Still, the increasingly unsoft tyranny, and the threat of even harder tyranny has even supposed “prepper” publications saying to just “go along.” I think it’s a siren song, but I think it can be very tempting. But to imagine being forced to watch Obama or Big Sister speak answers the question for me on a gut level most days.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 11:28:09 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ASOC
"Many cases of this in the aftermath of Katrina. One doesn’t have to look too far into the past to learn."

The electricity was off for a week after Katrina all the way over (two hour drive from NO) here in Mobile. We have stories that would get your ears ringing too.

A disturbing thing that occurred here was from the evacuees...they brought their pets with them and once it became obvious that they weren't going back to NO any time soon...they abandoned the pets here on the roadways just off interstate 10.

I fed packs of abandoned dogs for weeks after Katrina. It was a heart-breaking experience on some days when I arrived to feed and the pack was gone. The county dog catcher finally 'clear-out' all the packs.

FEMA has new rules now regarding pets.

15 posted on 06/12/2011 11:32:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: Secret Agent Man

A perfect description of the Basij militia in Iran. They were used where the army (even the Revolutionary Guards) couldn’t be trusted to kill civilians and carry out the orders of the government.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 11:40:08 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: dagogo redux
Buy ammo. And, do it correctly.....I have a few friends who still don't get it, ie: when I ask, "how much ammo do you have on hand?" I get a few answers of : Got plenty, plus 14 guns in the closet. Have 3 or 4 boxes of 12 ga, a couple for my kids .410, couple of boxes each for my 6 rifles, and a bunch of partial boxes for all my hand guns. I tell them that's fine if they can stay in the house and shoot out the windows, B-U-T if they need to run outside and shoot from behind the car or garage, they may find themselves in the do-do. One can only carry a couple of long guns (of different calibers) and a couple of handguns while on the run, along with their ammo. You shoot up those 3 - 20 round boxes of .30/06, 4 boxes of 7mm, 3 boxes of .45 ACP and you no longer have 3 guns....just 3 clubs.

Designate one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun as your primary "social unrest" home defense weapons and load up on the ammo for them. Having 20 guns doesn't do you any good if all you have is a few rounds for each. Kinda hard to watch out the FRONT living room window where the armed looters are moving around and dig through the BACK bedroom closet for more ammo. ("I KNOW I have at least a half box of .270 somewhere from last deer season......where the hell is it ???").

If you can't afford lots of expensive high caliber ammo, get a few bricks of .22 ammo. 300 rounds flying out that window from your .22 rifle and pistol may not drop a 250 lb man, but a wound in the arm with a .22 will slow him down, take him off the attack and put HIM on defense. Plus, with a bucket of .22 ammo, your wife and kid can easily load one gun while you shot the other.

17 posted on 06/12/2011 11:42:23 AM PDT by jmax
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To: dagogo redux

Nonsense. Martial law is a non-starter to this administration for one simple reason: it would be harder on their supporters than their opponents.

Look for a hybrid analogous to our current method of waging war as opposed to “declaring” war. It’s much easier to cheat by new tools than convince those who recognize your old tools they’re not being cheated.


18 posted on 06/12/2011 12:02:53 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: dagogo redux

Bandera County Sheriff’s Office Issues Domestic Terrorism Warning ___ Law Enforcement Agency Concerned Radical Anti-Government Groups May Be Moving Into Area

(June 9th): The law enforcement agency said followers of The Sovereign Citizens Movement have been known to carry out violent acts, including killing law enforcement officers and other public servants.

The sheriff’s office told KSAT-12 News the warning was prompted by the recent shooting death of Bexar County Sheriff’s Deputy Sgt. Kenneth Vann.

“We have domestic terrorism right at our doorstep,” said Capt. Charlie Hicks of the Bandera County Sheriff’s Office.

Hicks said while there’s NO EVIDENCE Vann’s death had any links to the Sovereign Citizens, it’s the same type of crime followers are known for.

http://www.ksat.com/news/28189270/detail.html

... it’s coming


19 posted on 06/12/2011 12:15:32 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: dagogo redux

Bandera County Sheriff’s Office Issues Domestic Terrorism Warning ___ Law Enforcement Agency Concerned Radical Anti-Government Groups May Be Moving Into Area

(June 9th): The law enforcement agency said followers of The Sovereign Citizens Movement have been known to carry out violent acts, including killing law enforcement officers and other public servants.

The sheriff’s office told KSAT-12 News the warning was prompted by the recent shooting death of Bexar County Sheriff’s Deputy Sgt. Kenneth Vann.

“We have domestic terrorism right at our doorstep,” said Capt. Charlie Hicks of the Bandera County Sheriff’s Office.

Hicks said while there’s NO EVIDENCE Vann’s death had any links to the Sovereign Citizens, it’s the same type of crime followers are known for.

http://www.ksat.com/news/28189270/detail.html

... it’s coming


20 posted on 06/12/2011 12:15:40 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: Mariner

“They would have to go on a major recruiting spree.”

Recruiting would be simple.

“Go shoot and loot whitey = Get mo’ food-stamps.”

Maybe this would be 0bama’s “better armed than the military” citizen “army” he was bleating about?


21 posted on 06/12/2011 12:46:38 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax

I suggest you look at what happened in Kenya, 2006, post the Presidential election. Raila Odinga, Obama’s cousing, lost that election and ordered his followers to go on a rampage.

BHO sent Odinga $1Million for his campaign; I suspect it was really to terrorize Christians in Kenya and terminate those with knowledge of his birth.


22 posted on 06/12/2011 1:02:56 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: dagogo redux
If martial law is declared, IEDs, L type ambushes, snipings for anyone trying to enforce it, as well as their immediate families. They sure as spit aren't going to spare yours. You can brew up napalm with gasoline, laundry soap and diesel... Then, Fougasse in a metal can, with a lifting charge.

It will be interesting to see which skinheads are Oathtakers and who is an Oathbreaker and what an Oathbreaker looks like on fire...

23 posted on 06/12/2011 1:08:54 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: jmax
RE: my post # 17

Failed to mention magazines / clips. It's great that you have 1 EXTRA mag that came with your favorite deer rifle, B-U-T a total of 2 mags with only 5 rounds each isn't going to last long until you hear "click" and stop shooting to reload them. If you can't get oversize mags, get a sack full of the "regular" ones.

24 posted on 06/12/2011 1:20:15 PM PDT by jmax
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To: blam
He worries that they will use the 'police shield' to gain entry and seize your/our supplies. (At what point do you resist the local police?) My emphasis

When they reach the effective range of your weapon!

25 posted on 06/12/2011 1:44:13 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: jmax

BFLR


26 posted on 06/12/2011 2:02:50 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: dagogo redux

Martial law logistically for the United States would be impossible IMO. A specific area, okay. But the number of ports, airports/fields, etc compared to numbers of police, military across country? Not happening. Unless a foreign force(s) were brought in.

Tyrannical moves are being usually under the radar in isolated instances (in contrast to impotent TSA goons groping nationwide), which thankfully are being broadcast in the new media internet... like SWAT killing the former Marine Guerena in Arizona; SWAT breaking into house of parent who’s estranged wife defaulted on a student loan

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/06/sooner-or-later-some-federal-doe-thugs.html

TSA doing a random bag check at railway station in Georgia and pat downs at prom in Arizona; police in Chicago on North street beach doing random bag searches; etc.

Militarization of police and SWAT, which was never intended for that role, violation of Constitutional rights on the increase... Clearly government was getting ready for a fight year ago when they ordered all that .40 caliber handgun ammo, 5.56 ammo carbine ammo, and shotguns for federal agencies.

Any attempt at house to house search, confiscations is open season guerrilla warfare. Targets include local police and support staff like dispatchers, the suits who decreed such tyranny. Obviously sitting trying to defend one’s house from response team with full auto arms, flash bang grenades, armored personnel carriers, is a bad situation with odds against you, plus one wants anonymity.

If you’ve read Total Resistance, then you know it’s necessary to inflict causalities and fight back so that the opposing force must consolidate, provide additional manpower for a security element and that leaves a larger grid pattern over your area so you and others can roam more freely.

To not act — the grid pattern becomes much smaller with opposing forces creating stations at major junctions, more checkpoints, and eventually the informer network will start. No freedom of movement and you will be flushed out.

Being near Chicagoland, plenty of prepping in order here. The recent rat pack mobs running loose foreshadow a larger descent into full blown upheaval in Chicago if there were a natural or man-made disaster — there aren’t enough police. In addition, an armed civilian defending oneself wiping out a few thugs could ignite rioting if not charged by city. So political, cultural, moral clashes besides tyrannical in a nation loaded with gang culture and arrested development youth.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 2:32:06 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: jmax

For urban environment, .22 is the chosen tool for operations by ex-spec-ops folk:

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?68441-My-GSR-decision....22lr.

Scope and fmj rounds for head shots and suppressed for non-telegraphing your whereabouts.

Homemade sound suppressors, explosives and other goodies can be found in manuals off www.scribd.com

Plenty of rifle magazines, happy sticks for pistols, celox, first aid, blades, blackjacks, water for moving and scooting away. Nothing carried should say “gun” like tactical pistol or rifle cases.

Pistols, supplies in messanger bag, tennis racket pouch (with balls), semi-auto rifle in guitar gig bag, machine pistol in gym bag with towel/running shoes, folded or stout carbines/machine pistols in attache case, cereal boxes lined with bubble wrap for pistols, ammo, carried in grocery bag.

I personally would like heavy caliber rifles like .338 Lapau or .50 BMG — not for long range sniping, but tactically close for defeating armor, taking out vehicles or helicopters. Perhaps if we get to that level — but why should I pay for it? Only just to get that cash from the assaulting tyrannical forces who have been funded by our tax dollars.

Obtaining hard cash for exploits is another issue that needs to be thought about.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 2:57:11 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: TheBigJ

“...an armed civilian defending oneself wiping out a few thugs could ignite rioting...”

That is exactly what Obama & Co. are hoping to ignite. Civilians protecting themselves will be labeled racists and the result will be Martial Law.

We’re seeing all this set up now, not just in cities, but in Arizona. Communist activists supporting illegal aliens intend to seize and occupy, using illegal aliens, foreclosed homes.

The objective is to overload the system - classic Cloward/Piven techniques - and collapse it or cause a civil war.


29 posted on 06/12/2011 4:16:02 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

Oh without a doubt Zero will try chaos/civil unrest for re-election summer ‘12 just like his boy Raila Odinga, the marxist and sharia law promoter did back in Kenya. Zero’s support of the raping pillaging by Orange Party there (corrupt media mouths are shut) is typical of third world trashy tyrants classless and will drag the country through any turmoil for their own ends. And what corrupt role will Rahm Emmanuel the ballerina play for Chicago?

A foreign born illegal squatting in the White Hut with liberal fascists underlings like Holder and Big Sis — Violence is inevitable.


30 posted on 06/12/2011 4:37:02 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: dagogo redux
screw that, if i'm gonna go, i want to go out in the first round....
31 posted on 06/12/2011 5:41:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: TheBigJ; All

Thanks, everyone, for your replies. Great input all around, and much appreciated.

Further replies will also be greatly valued, and thanks in advance.


32 posted on 06/12/2011 6:06:17 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

“But it has been effectively done, locally and nationally, in our country’s history.

OTOH, all our military might can’t even beat the Somalis or the Afghans or the Viet Cong. They beat Sadam, then lose the war/country if they leave.”

I have heard that point made over and over. To be honest, I don’t think that the comparison of Vietnam is really relevant. Now that we have drones over our own skies, and thermal cameras, laser listening devices, etc. I think that should it ever come down to a martial law scenario, in the attitude of Janet Reno re:Waco, they would just carpet bomb anyone who stood up for the non-police state. Heck, the police do it now, they just shoot someone 70 times.

The fact is, however, that the average american, isn’t incredibly bright, and especially Government Workers (the non thinking, regurgitation cronies, do best in the field of Government). Especially the police. Military may be a little different (it attracts a better lot of people), but I feel the Government will keep our military occupied in as many wars as possible (4 so far), to keep OUR military members out of the fray. National police and local “authorities” sucking on the government teat, will be funded by the FedGov in the hypothetical times and have the desire to do whatever their sugar daddy commands.

That having been said, they aren’t very intelligent, and rely heavily on technology to give them an overlord advantage. I for one hope there is an EMP event in that regard. I also feel strongly we’ll be attacked by many nations at once (George Washington dreamed/prophesized it, as well as the civil war), but that’s just my opinion.


33 posted on 06/13/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: blam

Have you ever seen the movie: “Panic in year Zero”?

[In case you’re wondering, it was made in the early sixties and doesn’t refer to our dear leader]

Long story short: The main character in the film had them divide up their supplies and hide them separately for just such an occasion.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 11:50:18 AM PDT by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Lord Acton 1887)
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To: dagogo redux
I am posting this vanity to take the pulse of fellow Freepers regarding the possibility of martial law being imposed,

It hasn't been designated as *martial law* in US military leadership classes for more than a decade. It's now known more precisely as military rule or military government.

35 posted on 06/13/2011 11:55:06 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Chode
screw that, if i'm gonna go, i want to go out in the first round....

Fix bayonet, go down swinging, die in place.

"You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God, you'll find me in a pile of brass."

- Trooper M. Padgett

36 posted on 06/13/2011 11:58:29 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: jmax
It's great that you have 1 EXTRA mag that came with your favorite deer rifle, B-U-T a total of 2 mags with only 5 rounds each isn't going to last long until you hear "click" and stop shooting to reload them.

At which point you should now have ten new rifles and the ammo that came with them.

37 posted on 06/13/2011 12:01:05 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: blam
We are planning multiple off site locations too.

There's always a place for you and your pooches with us in Wyoming. And I bet they'd love chasing buffalo, at least until the buffs start chasing back.

38 posted on 06/13/2011 12:03:07 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: papertyger

Indeed. There are too many screaming “bring it on!” to consider bringing it.

No, the MO will remain the same: regulate the he11 out of intermediary third parties. This has proven very effective, and few realize it happens. Most any activity requires you go thru some other person/corporation/business to achieve a goal; the polypragmatons compel THEM to implement restrictions under regulatory obligations. You have no idea what bureaucrat is involved, but you find there is no way to obtain what you want. Instead of being able to declare “X is prohibited!” you have to explain to a disinterested populace “X is legal, but you can’t make it happen because paperwork Y and regulation Z and waiting period Q render it...hello? anyone still with me? hello?” The Right hasn’t figured out how to deal with it. The Left would just riot.

There won’t be martial law. Creative gas shortages, sudden food quality investigations, employability validation, audits, inexplicable failures of background check servers, ... The sheep will stay in line, adhering to the friendly directives of the idiot box, while scared of the strange rantings of “extremists”.

“What about martial law” is just a recurring fantasy of those entertained by the notion of survival preparation. It’s a stage of development. Possible in real life? sure ... but it hasn’t happened for the 30+ years I’ve been aware of the concern. As others note, the country is too big. Computer-driven bureaucracy, however...


39 posted on 06/13/2011 12:11:39 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: archy

A few weeks back there was a news story to that effect. Some old geezer became the target of a Mexican drug gang. They came in with heavy firepower. He didn’t survive ... but neither did most of them.


40 posted on 06/13/2011 12:16:10 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: JDW11235
I agree with you; lots of good commentary on this thread.

however, I am putting all my money on "EMP attack from Iran". It just seems like the most likely external threat.

As far as the greatest INTERNAL threat, I'm not even gonna say his (foreign sounding) name.

41 posted on 06/13/2011 12:23:38 PM PDT by I Buried My Guns (You bring the traitor. I'll bring the rope.)
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To: archy
i know my house is something i am willing to make a stand in and for, i really don't think i want to see what comes after...
42 posted on 06/13/2011 12:35:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Voice of Reason1
"Long story short: The main character in the film had them divide up their supplies and hide them separately for just such an occasion. "

No, didn't see it. Thanks.

43 posted on 06/13/2011 3:25:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mariner

“They would have to go on a major recruiting spree.”

They already have. From the TSA, Volunteer America, private agencies like Blackwater (Xe), FEMA, adding SWAT teams to the park service and NOAA, etc. The feds have been building a private army for a few decades now. There are roughly 4 million federal, State, and local people that can be called into service as necessary.


44 posted on 06/14/2011 9:12:17 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: dagogo redux

>>And: “Those instituting martial law will be looking for people to make examples of in order to quell any type of uprising or protest from the rest of the sheep. Harsh reprisals at the inception of martial law will keep the masses cowed and controlled.” <<

Now is as good as time as any to bring the subject of SWAT team tactics up with your mayors and town councilors. Grab a friend, make an appointment and go do it.

IMO, it should be common knowledge where our city, state and federal officials live. Yes, the county bureaucrats, the local, state and federal police officers, every single one of them. Let’s remove the cloak of anonymity from these public officials! They work for us, remember?

It is not difficult to make someone live in fear for their lives as many of you already know. Making our elected local, county, state or federal officials acutely aware of that feeling is not a popular idea but I assure you after once having that taste in your mouth, it is not one quickly forgotten. Why should we be the ones who fear them if we are not criminals? Don’t go after them in their protected offices when their homes and families are as vulnerable as ours are.

If our LEO’s or military troops under the orders of our elected officials ever administer violence to US citizens then I believe it should be returned in equal force to their superiors families.

I promise you that a single bullet through the kitchen window of the Mayors house will make for an excited dinner conversation with his wife that evening. The Mayor will then understand exactly what he did when he ordered violence against his townspeople.

The Chief of Police’s wife wouldn’t hesitate to explain in detail to her husband what a wonderful job he’s doing if her home were to receive a copper jacketed message through the front door.


45 posted on 06/15/2011 7:15:51 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

>>What does “federalize local communities” mean?<<

Agenda 21, New World Order, control programs that make the population and local gov’ts submissive to the Feds. Encourage and financially support states rights!


46 posted on 06/15/2011 8:15:13 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Lorianne

Anyone who won’t meekly follow orders is a domestic terrorist!


47 posted on 06/15/2011 8:24:51 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch

We think alike in some regards.

Along more peaceful lines - pre-SHTF - I have on FR and other sites emphasized locating the homes of those in power, and not just the politicians and bureaucrats, but the leftist media and the power structure behind the ACLU and other treasonous groups and organizations.

We need to be showing up at THEIR houses - not their offices - to demonstrate and protest whenever they pull their anti-citizenry stunts, just like the SEIU has done, only peacefully and legally. Just enough to express ourselves, and let them know we are monitoring their actions, and to let them know we KNOW where they live. Even non-threatening letters sent to their homes would work somewhat. Make it personal - they do with us.

No need to act out or make threats: it’s enough at this time to merely let them know that we know who they are, what they are doing, and where they live.

Like you say, their spouses and kids will put a pressure on them we could never accomplish otherwise.


48 posted on 06/15/2011 8:34:34 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

The next time you are having a friendly chat with a cop over a cup of coffee bring up the subject of firearm confiscation. Ask his opinion on the idea and then mention that there’s serious costs to such action.

“What if you left to go to work for a fun day of firearm confiscation and when you came home all you saw was ashes. That would take the fun out of firearm confiscation, wouldn’t it? Especially if one or all of your family was still in the house when it happened. Officer, remember that saying, “Protect and Serve? That includes my family and my home too.”

Before you pay the bill be sure to convince the man that these are measures that most certainly would not be taken UNLESS he steps out of line and changes from a protector/defender of our rights to a destroyer of them.

An even more effective way to get this message across is to have an 80 year old lady deliver it.

Cutting the power sources and communication lines/cell towers is probably the two most effective ways I can think of to mess with the power structure. Rail lines and highways would be 3rd and 4th. Rupturing the fuel lines that supply the airport would be 5th.


49 posted on 06/15/2011 9:03:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch

The book, Total Resistance, the Swiss guide to such things, covers the points in your last paragraph quite well. Many already know where and how such things could be accomplished locally.


50 posted on 06/15/2011 9:24:27 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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