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CB Patriot Project launch
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Posted on 04/25/2011 7:43:04 PM PDT by publius321

I want to thank you for getting involved with the CB Patriot Project. I am excited about the initial response considering this project was launched just this past week. The fact is that we have members joining us from our home state of Florida all the way across the US as far as California & Oregon.

For those who signed up to participate, we will be reaching out to you from time to time to organize as we fill up more areas with like-minded and like-value patriots. "Test runs" will follow once we have enough members among us. That will entail having those who volunteered to be "Captains" or "Managers" contact you in your local areas to conduct test runs and perhaps meet at local destinations that might be expedient in the event of an "emergency".

We need to get our friends and family involved so that we have more people to mobilize. Consider going to the cbPatriot.com Home Page and clicking the facebook icon at the top, which will upload the cbPatrot site to your Facebook page. We can also e-mail our e-mail contacts. If you are a member or leader in a Tea Party organization, contact them in this regard.

God bless.


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1 posted on 04/25/2011 7:43:07 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321

Sounds interestimg. Time to dig out my 23 channel unit. I’m also an amateur radio operator too.


2 posted on 04/25/2011 8:00:34 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Fantastic! Welcome.


3 posted on 04/25/2011 8:04:56 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321

Just ordered up a new Galaxy DX-2547 for this reason. If you have a ping list please add me to it. Thanks.


4 posted on 04/25/2011 8:08:38 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

Good for you PA Engineer. Will add you too.


5 posted on 04/25/2011 9:18:30 PM PDT by publius321
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To: Nowhere Man

Can 10 meter be used for CB/SSB or does it have to be modified an is that modification legal ?


6 posted on 04/25/2011 9:34:45 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: publius321

Sorry Charlie, I don’t “do” Facebook, because the gubmint sure does!

JC


7 posted on 04/25/2011 9:39:11 PM PDT by cracker45
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To: Squantos

Back in the day (late 70s) you could (illegally) use a 10 meter linear on the 11 meter CB band.

The FCC frowned upon this use, and eventually all 10 meter linears had to be manufactured so that they could not easily be used on the 11 meter band.


8 posted on 04/25/2011 9:48:48 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: publius321
I'm in...

My gear is old but reliable... Cobra 2000GTL, peaked, tuned, and expanded... 600 watt RM Italy amp... Solarcon antenna. In the truck is a Ranger 2970DX, peaked, tuned, and expanded as well. Yeah, I can get out there...

Regards,
Raven6

9 posted on 04/25/2011 9:54:19 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: cracker45
Sorry Charlie, I don’t “do” Facebook, because the gubmint sure does!

Code only. No more than 20 seconds per message and no more than 3 minutes a day. What is difficult with that?
10 posted on 04/25/2011 9:54:45 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Squantos
Can 10 meter be used for CB/SSB or does it have to be modified an is that modification legal ?

Only type accepted (by the FCC) radios can be used on the CB bands. I know in many countries, they sell radios that can continuously transmit from 26 to 30 Mc so they cover both the CB and 10 meter amateur radio bands as well as the "freeband" from 26 Mc and above. Some of those radios are sold here but those features are locked out but many radio hackers can go into the radio to enable them. I know of one "freebander" I deliver auto parts to. Another thing to remember is that CB radios are limited to 4 watts output AM and 12 watts PEP (Peak Envelope Power) on SSB. So those radios would not be legal to use. As an amateur radio operator, I would stay within the law. I think the FCC would be harder on me and other amateurs since "we should know better" than if an average Joe would use such a radio. However, if the crap hits the fan, the laws might become moot.
11 posted on 04/25/2011 10:11:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man
"...the laws might become moot."

Yes, they will... It is also important to remember that government has the ability and manpower to intercept and interpret every transmission that hits the airwaves. If you don't want them showing up at your called meeting place, it would be wise to learn how to use the only unbreakable code that exists: the "one time pad" code... It is a single use code derived from the use of a book (a copy of which is held by each intended recipient of the message) with the initial lines of the coded message advising which page of the book is the key for that day's code. It is sort of a rolling code, and with an unknown and ever-changing key, it is impossible to break.

Of course the government's ability to triangulate on a transmitter is a problem as well... So the trick is to transmit in very short bursts from an ever-changing location. Simple enough... Coded message recipients have already been advised of meeting locations with each having a simple alpha-numeric identifier such as A76 or B47, etc. The same is done with the date and time. All of this would allow for a transmission of less than 15 seconds...

Of course there are no guarantees... You could be parked right next to a van load of feds with the latest and greatest equipment when you key-up.

All of this is purely for hypothetical discussion, of course.

Regards,
Raven6

12 posted on 04/26/2011 6:18:23 AM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: PA Engineer

I didn’t say it was difficult, just that I don’t do it!

JC


13 posted on 04/26/2011 2:12:01 PM PDT by cracker45
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To: Raven6; All

I’m coming across conversations assuming a scenario where we would have to use secret codes to communicate etc. I have nothing against secret codes but would like to elucidate on this subject. The project was –not- conceived under the assumption that it would become –ILLEGAL- for Americans to communicate with one another. I think if they/he “shut down the Internet” it would be something of a CHARADE.

In this situation, the pretense for example might be that there was a “cyber-terror” incident in which the “cyber-terrorists” supposedly did something that warranted an “Internet shut down” in order to investigate or they shut it down in order to “protect” the infrastructure or to ostensibly “protect” us... There would still have to be some internal resistance just as we have now from Congress and our state governments who are suing the feds. So we’re probably looking at underhanded attempts using the FCC –and other bureaucracies, even czars - to violate the constitution and our rights all while still somewhat constrained by congress (one would hope). In this case The Saboteur and his accomplices in the Senate would have to stay within the confines of their pretense “emergency”.

So the agenda would be to stifle most of the communication under those pretenses. I don’t see them coming out and making a –LAW- specifically elucidating their leftist agenda of disabling the freedom of Americans like us to gather and protest in the manner we gathered after the last meltdown. By staying within the confines of their disingenuous charade and successfully shutting down communications via Internet and phone availability WITHOUT further legislation, the left could conceivably –prevent- another organic uprising the type of which led to the tea parties around the nation almost over-night. Even with all of the existing tea parties and other groups, we are so inter-dependent on e-mail, message boards like here at FR and phones (most of which are cellular) – even with these groups having been formed, take away that communicative ability and we are all isolated within the chaos and have no idea when to meet, where to meet, what to bring how to help etc.

I don’t see them getting the ability to ban CB usage as there is no valid pretense to justify it. So I don’t think it is going to be a situation where we have to speak in code and break any valid laws. I can’t speak for all states but I believe my state government of Florida will fight valiantly before that happens; but they wouldn’t have nearly as much ability to overcome an Internet and cell network shutdown as we are inter connected with other states etc.

I don’t see unmitigated tyranny perhaps until the Chi-coms and the Arabs sack us. That being the case, it is good to have a plan for EVERY scenario. The aforementioned is where codes would DEFINITELY come in handy, in which case we wouldn’t be violating any US laws because Trojan Horse Hussein would have succeeded in his obvious long term plan for this country and there would no longer be a US Constitution or US government.


14 posted on 04/26/2011 5:30:31 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321
If anything happens (external attack or created by the enemy domestic) that is to such an extent as to cause a shutdown of telecom or internet, rest assured that radio traffic will be targeted also... I am very familiar with how it is done and have had radio communications that were being directed toward me (while in service to this country) targeted for jamming by foreign governments.

Consider this: Any FCC compliant radio that broadcasts in amplitude modulation mode within the 26.965 through 27.405 Mhz range is limited to 4 watts, and the same radio would be limited to 10 watts if sideband capable. Unless this sample radio is communicating through skip wave propagation (fun, but not dependable at all), its range is going to be severely limited, even if it is operating at peak efficiency (final transistors at 100%, modulation at 100%, and Standing Wave Reflected at 1.1:1 or better.) In order to increase coms ability to the point of actually being reliable, the network will absolutely have to depend on radios that fall outside of FCC type specified "citizens band" radios. It is specifically for that reason that amateur operators go down to the 40 meter band and lower in order to get distant contacts... It is next to impossible to do so on 11 meters (C.B.) via ground wave propagation.

My point to all of this is that there will be no need to try and pass some new law in order to prevent communication by legal C.B. radios... The range just isn't there. The radios themselves do a pretty good job of preventing people from creating much of a network. If it wasn't this way, the old R.E.A.C.T. clubs created in the 1970's would still exist. So what that leaves, if you are determined to use 11 meters, are the radios that are no longer FCC type compliant or the radios that are compliant themselves but are being operated through an illegal amplifier. Once you cross that line, you are in violation of FCC regs... So the operators of such equipment will be hunted down and punished if they are blatantly communicating information the is deemed unsuitable. Hence my bringing up codes and short transmissions.

So... I'll participate in a network if I am welcome to use my equipment. But if the time comes that the network is needed and there is not a code system in place, there could be some regrets... As I tell my students in my disaster preparedness classes: "We don't get to pick the disaster, we just have to plan for the worst case scenario."

For anyone that wants to understand one-time-pad codes and their best usage, do a little research on how the French Underground communicated during WWII, and how their use of cells protected their numbers should a cell get compromised.

Regards,
Raven6

15 posted on 04/26/2011 7:21:12 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Raven6

I like you last quote you use to your disaster preparedness classes. I definitely agree that we need to prepare for the worst case scenario. I believe that if the feds started blocking local signals and rounded up free Americans for using our constitutional rights to communicate and assemble, states like mine (FL) would secede before they allowed that and sure as hell civil war would ensue.

I believe the Saboteur in Chief has wanted that from the day he started campaigning for the IL state legislature. Nevertheless, the state inwhich one lives is more important than anytime in the past 150 years.

I’m glad people like you are around and value your input.


16 posted on 04/26/2011 7:37:01 PM PDT by publius321
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To: Raven6
I remember back in the 1980's, we used the same scheme that they used in "Smokey & The Bandit" where we used codes to change channels. We might say, "go to channel 2," but we don't, it means "go to channel 13." Also, "reach for the sky" means "go to channel 23" (my buddy had a 40 channel CB but I only have a 23) while "go to the basement" meant "channel 1." "Kiddie channel" meant 14. "Captain Pitt" (named after an afterschool TV host) was channel 22, sometimes we also say "let's watch 'Speed Racer,' 'He-Man' 'Voltron,' or 'Robotech." Of course we will have to mix the codes up but still there are many ways we can communicate to baffle "The Man" and others.

Back in high school, we used to use CB to play chess over, Dungeons and Dragons and other role playing games and pit our computers against each other in chess games. WE used to have challenges of my TI-99/4A or my Apple //e vs. his TRS-80 Color Computer. I remember a bunch of us kids got on one night and we jabbered about everything from school, girls we had crushes on, teachers to the 1980 "Flash Gordon" movie where we kept going until 3 AM.

I'll have take time to dig out my 23 channel CB and upgrade to a cheap 40 channel. Heck, this is serious business, but we can have a little fun too.

I'd like to see CB and ham radio operators work together, we can cover gaps with one that the other may miss.
17 posted on 04/26/2011 8:27:52 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Raven6

One thing to remember, even though CB’s range is limited, a good antenna will go a long way to help you get your signal out much better. A crappy or cheap radio with a good antenna would do much better than the best radio with a crappy antenna. As a ham radio operator, I could come up with many types of antenna if need be.


18 posted on 04/26/2011 8:31:35 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: publius321

Just caught your latest post on the CB Patriots project. From this I presume that you are intimately involved in the project. I looked at the site and the premise is very good but I am first and foremost a ham although I have no hesitation to operate CB although my main non-ham band is FRS.

If you are looking to enlist hams as a way to augment capabilities, I am interested. I have looked at several groups of this nature but there seems to be more talk than action.

Let me know.


19 posted on 04/27/2011 6:56:48 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Nowhere Man
Haven't bought an antenna in years... I make my own. The good old 468/frequency formula will get you the proper length 1/2 wave every time. I just cut a proper length of 1/2 inch PVC pipe and run the correct length of 12 gage solid copper wire through it. You can set them up vertical or horizontal, or both if you wish. Using "T" fittings you can build a simple directional beam by running a ground element in the back element tube. These work pretty well for the higher frequencies, but tend to get a bit of "wag in the wind" once you go below 12 meters. Crystal sets (broadcast band as well as shortwave) are a hobby of mine, so I have done a lot of antenna experimenting. I have 275 feet of long wire antenna strung through the rafters of my attic just for crystal sets! Then there are the antenna tuners, the wave traps, etc. All made from scratch and old air variable capacitors from scrap radios that were given to me. I also run a Part 15 FCC compliant low power AM station that can be jumped from 100 milliwatts up to 150 watts at the flip of a switch - that's when the cooling fans kick on, as well!

Regards,
Raven6

20 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:32 AM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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