Including little kids getting the full-groin grope. In America. After getting off of a train.
Welcome to the USSA, comrades.
CW2 Ping
Posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:18 PM PST by CedarDave
This has been mentioned in other threads, but deserves its own. Here is a video from 2/13/11 showing a mother and two young children being searched AFTER they got off the train at the Savannah train depot. From the YouTube poster's account:
Quote: The only bad thing on our trip was TSA was at the Savannah train station. There were about 14 agents pulling people inside the building and coralling everyone in a roped area AFTER you got OFF THE TRAIN! This made no sense!!! Poor family in front of us! 9 year old getting patted down and wanded. They groped our people too and were very unprofessional. I am all about security, but when have you ever been harassed and felt up getting OFF a plane? Shouldnt they be doing that getting ON??? And they wonder why so many people are mad at them.
They have no bag X-ray, so while the mother is getting wanded down, and her bra strap felt, and the 9 year-old terrorist and the 11 year year-old terrorist are getting wanded down, and having their arms and legs patted down, two more TSOGOONS are pawing manually through their bags on the table.
I'd sure be curious to hear what the possible justification can be for searching people who are GETTING OFF of a train.
What does Willie Green know and when did he know it?
Link to the video not working now (requires subscription!!). Try this one:
I visited the FlyerTalk link you provided but I can’t find the link to the Savannah video. Could you please provide that link? Thank you.
We should unionize these people, give them nice shiny badges, and perhaps weapons, eh?
Willie is saddened.
Thanks for the link. Years of searching and they’ve found nothing. Maybe we need to turn them into border agents on the Mexican border (on the Mexican side) so they can take direct fire for their harassment.
The last time I flew in from Germany, we all had to go through screening before we could reenter the US. It is like the US does not trust the other parts of the world’s security (smart move!).
"You have traveled across a state line; show me your papers."
FYI!!! Amazing abuse of police power.
OMG. I’m flying with my kids the Spring.
By customs or by TSA? If by TSA, what the heck for?? They going to take away that oversize bottle of shampoo or toothpaste that got by someone at the Berlin airport?? Besides, once past security, you can buy all sorts of items to carry on (like soft drinks, bottled water, etc.).
For my vacation, I went to FL. This was just 3 weeks ago. When I flew from the Greensboro airport to FL, I wasn’t even wanded or my luggage checked. Two weeks later, my luggage was searched on the flight back. I laughed over it. They went through my dirty laundry. ROFLMAO!!! All they found was a glass flamingo Christmas tree ornament stuck in there to keep it from breaking. Thank goodness it did arrive safely. I did the same thing coming back through customs years ago. I put the dirty clothes on the top in my suitcase. It didn’t stay open long. LOL!!!!
I’ll point this out...since I travel via Germany a fair bit. They can hustle a thousand folks through security in a matter of thirty minutes...with the TSA crowd...it takes twice that long or more. I went through Philly two months ago and just stood there laughing for 45 minutes as we inched through a line in mid-afternoon. The plane had arrived forty-five minutes late....luckily, I had projected three hours of time into my trip and I had a little bit of time to spare.
Agreed. Collective bargaining would bring out their best behavior when it comes to respecting the rights and personal space of their paymasters.
Snips: NEW X-ray technology that can reveal drug smugglers' internal cavities will be trialled at airports under a plan to fast-track security searches.
Under current laws, an internal X-ray scan can only be done by a doctor at a hospital or surgery centre.
Including little kids getting the full-groin grope. In America. After getting off of a train.
Welcome to the USSA, comrades.
CW2 Ping
I agree that for fliers TSA is inconsistent, overbearing, and all sorts of other adjectives that describe an agency that is about power and not about passengers, their rights and freedoms.
However, here we are talking about a search of bags and passengers (including wanding and pat-downs of children) AFTER leaving a TRAIN, which should set off an entirely different level of alarm bells for the traveling public!!
bttt
I totally disagree. If inspections are to be made, they need to be made pre-flight, not after the flight is completed.
If traveling on a plane, at best they will deny you boarding. At worst they will deny you boarding and fine your $10,000.
What are they going to do when you get off a train AFTER you arrive at your destination?? I see this as a totally different set of circumstances.
If I had ANY faith in the TSA, checking people getting off a train would make some sense. Why? Because a nasty terrorist scenario is to ride a train to your target and then detonate. Of course, packing people in a room for screening makes that scenario MORE deadly, not less.
Thus, this is just security theater and thugcopism. Nothing more.
It’s about time the Republicans an TEA Party started making a lot of noise about the nazification of America.
and what happens if you opt out? They make yon get back on the train?
poor old Charlie!
Put you on the list so you can't get back on the train (or flight) to return? Scumbags!
It’s not just theater. They are beta testing police-state controls to see what happens. Will people comply? Be outraged? Curse them out for gestapo?
The answers to those questions shall determine if freedom is soon to be extinguished in this nation.
I would have refused them.....period. The trip is over I am off and done....screw off.
I just flew out of a small regional airport, no scanners just a walk thru metal detector. The gal asked me to remove my sweatshirt and I refused. She motioned me to go through the detector so I did. After I was through she tried to pull me aside for a pat down. I told her nothing beeped and no she was not going to pat me down. She kept insisting and I kept refusing. Lol. After a minute of this she said...well can I just pat down your back and arms and I said yes. I was adamant that they were not going to do a full pat down on me just because I refused to strip for them.
That”s what I meant by “thugcopism,” and you explained it well. Agreed 100%.
It is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.Although the right to travel is in the Articles of Confederation, it is mysteriously absent from the Constitution. Nonetheless, this would be a clear violation of various segments of the Constitution, as it restricts free passage between states. Obviously the scenario changes with regards to international flights, but the majority of flights at various ports are domestic.
- Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969)
where...
Scary ping. I was thinking of taking an Amtrak ride to Denver for fun with the kids, silly me. I guess we’ll just drive.
Um, how do these people know for sure that these searches made “no sense”?
Is it not at least possible that TSA had some specific information that led them to search at a time and place that they don’t normally search?
Please, let’s not overreact at every turn.
Yes, I can think of plenty of scenarios in which LE/HS agents would be required to check passengers upon deboarding a train or an airplane, for that matter. Do people really think that the security is only concerned about what happens when the conveyance is underway?
If HS got information that someone may have brought a dirty bomb on a train, would it be okay for them to check for it or would that be “an amazing abuse of police power”?
If HS had information that a geiger counter held by an onboard air/train marshall went off, would it be okay to check passengers as they deboarded?
Let’s get a little real here.
Just sayin.
The TSA — Building a compliant, docile, conditioned society of tax cows, and employing the best and brightest of the AA gene pool, since 2002.
If we were able to trust our government you might have a point. But we can’t so you don’t.
Just sayin’
Where in the Constitution is the authority to randomly search train passengers?
The first comment from the video says it all.
It’s not about security, it’s about *conditioning*.
If they had credible information that a dirty bomb, radioactive material, or explosives were on board do you think they would have the TSA search luggage?? DEA, FBI, Hazmat teams and other emergency response teams would converge and take charge, not several blue-gloved TSA agents.
That exact scenario took place last week AFTER the search by TSA when a Muslim man on an Amtrak train said he had a bomb (Threat in Montana forces evacuation of Amtrak train bound for Oregon). The train was stopped, passengers evacuated, the train searched for eight hours and nationwide traffic on the BNSF's main line delayed for 24 hours.
So lets get real -- a credible threat is handled completely differently than that from TSA searching bags and passengers AFTER a train arrives. This is about TSA and its ability to cower Americans into police-state thinking.
I have to really wonder if it will ever to be possible to nip this kind of BS in the bud???
Before it becomes common place...
When people start refusing this “after the fact” intrusiveness, we are probably not going to be a free nation for much longer, are we...
We’re being tested, as we watch freedom slipping away.
Obama’s America
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