Skip to comments.Falcon Lake Murder: New Blood Evidence Found (Video)
Posted on 10/08/2010 12:37:25 PM PDT by jazusamo
A witness and blood evidence seem to corroborate Tiffany Hartley's story. But competing interests are driving competing views of what really happened on Falcon Lake.
Sheriff Gonzalez also says that he has retrieved blood evidence from Tiffany Hartleys life vest. Put that evidence together with the witness corroborating her story of the chase, and her story overall looks more solid.
Zapata Countys sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez has told CBS News he has blood evidence from the lifevest of Tiffany Hartley, the wife of David Hartley, that supports her account of a pirate attack on a lake that straddles the Texas-Mexico border.
Those who already doubt Hartley may see this as evidence that she murdered David. The blood could have gotten onto her vest whether she shot him or he was close to her when pirates shot him. Its presence on her vest is not dispositive either way, but does point to violence having occurred. Sheriff Gonzalez is treating Hartleys story as truth, and has throughout the week since it happened.
On Fox News Channel Thursday, another victim of Falcon Lake piracy came forward and said that Hartleys story fits what happened to him on the lake a few months ago. Hes Dr. Richard Drake, and he was fishing on Falcon Lake when pirates ambushed him. Heres his interview with Megyn Kelly. Again, he wasnt on the Mexican side of the lake. He was out in the center, on the Texas side of the border, when he was ambushed.
This is a response I posted to an opinion piece yesterday. It is written in response to “Wendy,” the author, but it contains rebuttals of most of the points the naysayers bring up.
Like gangs on land, punks on water dont kill randomly. They kill for money, they kill for revenge, they kill when drug deals go bad - and they sometimes kill by accident as when a kid gets caught in the crossfire of a shootout between rivals. But they dont just walk around town shooting people in the head.
Really? What town does Wendy live in? I think Ill move there.
The equivalent on land is driving around in a nice car...with the added dimension of the criminal desiring not only its monetary value, but also its utility to the thieves/pirates. Now...do gangs kill for vehicles? Ever heard of a carjacking?
I can see how a jetski, especially a top of the line model as described by the husbands mother would be a valuable target for PIRATES. They are fast, they are quiet, they are nimble, they are fuel efficient, and they are hard to spot. One would be absolutely perfect for 3 men to use to rob the presumably well off Americans who live on the lake. So for those who keep asking why would pirates rob people on jetskis, the jetski alone could easily be the answer. If we had roving bands of land pirates working the nations interstate system, would you question why fast cars were being especially targeted? Would you say...no land pirate would ever target some guy in a corvette, I mean, its only a two seater.
First, there is no evidence, other than Tiffanys word, that her husband was even on the water at all, much less in a jet ski getting shot in the head.
Nice. Wendy just called her a liar...based on Wendys word since she admits the lack of evidence. Very classy. Is the jetski missing? Id say thats certainly circumstantial evidence that her husband was on the water. It proves nothing, since any adult would hopefully be smart enough to dispose of the jetski...but disposing of the jetski brings up a whole new set of problems. But it is something that should interest the police and no doubt already has. I wonder, does Wendy know if the jetski is indeed missing?
And if they DID do that in this case, which is possible in theory, it makes no sense that they managed such a precise execution in the skull of a man while he was zipping along on a jet ski, but somehow couldnt even graze the jet ski of the guys wife even as she was stopped, as she said she was, trying to lift her husbands body from the water.
Strange things happen quite often when people start shooting at each other. Even stranger things happen if the people shooting happen to be skilled shooters. According to Tiffany, there were 3 boats attacking them. Wendys assumption it would take a sharpshooter to make the shot shows her ignorance. It would take a hell of a shot. Someone like a SEAL, who actually practices shooting from moving vessels at moving targets. If it isnt something you have as part of your skillset, Id wager my money on 3 to 12 drunk Mexican pirates making the shot before you did...only because theyd be firing wildly and be relying mostly on luck. Also, Tiffany claims that the pirates didnt shoot at her, but came up to her and held (I believe) a pistol to her head. Some question why they wouldnt kill her...without being crude about Id suggest that a pirate/bandit/criminal would be inclined to capture a woman alive because he has other thoughts on her potential value.
Maybe the pirates are sharpshooters but they sure cant be sharpshooters ONLY if theyre aiming at husbands. She says she doesnt know why she was spared. That makes two of us I mean two million of us. Random killers dont develop a conscience in the middle of an execution.
This is some really bad reasoning. Perhaps they had a reason not to want to kill the young woman? Perhaps her husband was hit only because freakish things happen when men starting emptying rifles at other men? Two million of you? Nice. A former prosecutor executing the dreaded argumentum ad populum.
Its possible Tiffany is telling the truth, but as a matter of simple common sense it just doesnt ring true. And while lots of people are in a justifiable anti-Mexico mindset for a host of reasons related to illegal immigration, drug cartels, etc., lets not let a pretty little housewife exploit our political sentiments to dupe us into believing outright absurdities.
Now nice of you to allow that Tiffany is telling the truth, Wendy. Wendy slips and reveals her true agenda here...shes worried about bad press for Mexico and her beloved illegals.
But the simple truth is, when a wife or husband dies or goes missing in suspicious circumstances, the spouse SHOULD be the key suspect because theyre almost always responsible. Unless and until they can be ruled out they should be ruled in and Tiffany Hartley has yet to be ruled out.
I agree completely. But it isnt your job, Wendy, as part of a for profit media conglomerate. Being paid to trash a woman who MIGHT have just lost her husband makes you a type of mercenary whore. That responsibility lies with the local officials. I find this opinion piece to be in poor taste, considering the admitted lack of evidence, and how recent the events in question were. It smacks of tabloidism.
I dont have a dog in this fight other than the desire to correct what I see as logical fallacies. If Tiffany is responsible, she has to be one of the most psychotic criminals in history. There are a hell of a lot of ways to off your mate that dont involve TV cameras, a witness, appeals to the POTUS, Mexican pirates, and jetskis. Im inclined to believe her until further evidence presents itself because I know that criminals, let alone pirates, dont live by our rules.
lol! Such bluster! Such indignation! Did you hold your breath and stomp your feet as you pounded out your reply?
Good post...Tabloidism is what Wendy Murphy is all about. She had the three alleged rapists in the Duke rape case tried, convicted and practically sentenced until the victim was made out the liar she is.
I was reporting what I heard on Fox.
I’ll add that I’m seriously irritated at all these hispanic democrat politicians from Texas who are throwing this woman under the bus and trying to say how wonderful the Mexican response to this has been.
If investigative journalism were minimally honest, there are fifty stories of unprovoked murder of Americans at the border for every one which hits the press. Any report questioning her veracity may nonchalantly report another 10 previously unreported homicides without distortion.
Agreed...The Mexican Govt is out to lunch on this and any Mexican American that supports their response is as corrupt as they are.
Exactly, and the support that people on this site give to conspiracy theorists on this had better start to come to grips with the real world.
Reassess the present soci-economic factors at play between these 2 cultures. Mexican culture is not the same as United States American culture.
Mexicans do not believe in unalienable rights, as do most US Americans.
The employment rate and expendable income of laborer Mexicans near the border is not the same as US Americans. Different by an order of magnitude with an unemployment rate greater than a factor of 2-5.
Religious values are discernibly different. Their heritage at best comes from a Catholic perception that the Church is God’s appointed controller of all worldly power systems,...which is why liberation theology was popular in Central America and when grafted with pagan sects tends to also worship the dead and even some forms of satanism.
Spiritually, there are different powers controlling these peoples and nations.
We are not the same people with Mexico.
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