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Debating Daily Kos: Is the Tea Party Violent?
Pajamas Media ^ | October 4, 2010 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 10/04/2010 1:31:32 PM PDT by jazusamo

Daily Kos' dear leader says the Tea Party has violent tendencies. The facts disagree with him.

Last week, thanks to a last minute shuffle I found myself debating Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, aka Kos of Daily Kos, on WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer Show. WNYC has posted the debate here. I encourage everyone to listen to it. It gives listeners a useful look into the mind behind the hivemind that’s leading the left’s so-called Netroots. They’re the online activists who have to a great extent been pulling the Democratic Party farther and farther to the left over the past few years.

Kos, it turns out, is a spectacularly ill-informed individual. Either that, or he’s just a bald-faced liar. For now, I’ll go with “spectacularly ill-informed.” In his pre-show post, Kos badly misplaces the incident in which a deranged man flew a plane into an IRS building by a long shot, moving it from Austin (where it really happened) to Dallas. He’s only off by about 195 miles.  And Kos also mistakes the man for a righty Tea Party activist. Wrong again.

In the debate, Kos went with a theme that the Tea Party is violent but being more or less tamed by going mainstream. As evidence, Kos proffered the aforementioned Austin plane crasher, whom he didn’t bother to name let alone attempt to describe factually or fairly. Kos also offered grand, sweeping statements about folks stocking up on ammo and committing unnamed acts of violence against unnamed non-Tea Party individuals.

So let’s get the Austin plane crasher out of the way. His name was Joseph Andrew Stack, and his manifesto shows that he was a very frustrated individual who wasn’t purely on the political right or left. He was slightly to the left but mostly just crazy. He was anti-tax, but also anti-Catholic Church and anti-big business, and had evidently gotten himself into legal trouble here and there.  To hold him out as an example of a Tea Partier as Kos does shows either rank dishonesty or a lack of familiarity with the facts.

Likewise, Kos’ sweeping statements that the Tea Party carries with it an undercurrent of violence just don’t hold up. He cites a Time magazine story and touts the Obama administration’s misguided and controversial monitoring of Tea Partiers and returning veterans, but otherwise offers no specifics.  I’ll offer some, but they don’t agree with his premise.

Just this past weekend, the left held their “One Nation” rally in Washington. There was violence — against a Human Events reporter who was there to cover the sceneHuman Events is a conservative outlet, edited by my friend Jason Mattera. It would be fun and probably informative to find out the identity of the woman caught on video taking several swings at the Human Events reporter. We know that SEIU and other unions bussed in protesters by the hundreds.

Last year during the town hall meetings that took place nationwide, there was violence. For instance, SEIU folks in their trademark purple shirts assaulted black Tea Party activist Kenneth Gladney at a Russ Carnahan event in Missouri.  And it was Barack Obama, not any Tea Partier, who said this about his opponents:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. That’s the Chicago way.”

That’s extreme. And it’s violent, at least in its imagery. And it came from the left’s leader.

Kos goes on in both the debate and in his absurd book, American Taliban: How War, Sex, Sin and Power Bind Jihadists and the Radical Right, to assert that the right is similar to and may even be making common cause with jihadists.

Counter punch: On the right, anti-jihad blogs and writers are common, so much so that at some level just about every righty blogger has opined against jihadists and sites like The Long War Journal, Jihad Watch, Atlas Shrugs, and our own commonly inveigh against jihad and jihadists. But where are the left’s dedicated anti-jihad bloggers? Where is their anti-jihad blog? To be sure, lefty blogs will offer occasional criticism of jihadists, but they spend the vast majority of their time calling anti-jihad bloggers “racist” and hammering against U.S. war policy and slamming the West in general.

And it was Kos himself who said this, when jihadists murdered and mutilated Americans in Fallujah back in 2004:

They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

That attack was an al-Qaeda operation, probably masterminded by al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. To this day, Kos has never retracted that statement, which evidently reflected his gut reaction to seeing video of jihadists dangling the corpses of dead Americans from a bridge. So who is more likely to make convenient common cause with jihadists?

The fact is, as I said in the Lehrer debate linked above, the Tea Party is a quintessentially American movement. It’s a gathering of citizens seeking their Constitutionally guaranteed redress of grievances from a government that is not listening to them. To call the Tea Party a violent movement is nothing less than a smear. To link them to jihadists in any way is, frankly, fundamentally dishonest.

Bryan Preston has been a leading conservative blogger and opinionator since founding his first blog in 2001. Bryan is a military veteran, worked for NASA, hails from Hot Air, was producer of the Laura Ingraham Show and, most recently before joining PJM, was Communications Director of the Republican Party of Texas.



TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: kos; leftists
Kos, it turns out, is a spectacularly ill-informed individual. Either that, or he’s just a bald-faced liar.

I'll go with both.

1 posted on 10/04/2010 1:31:34 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

The Daily KOS and its founder is LIVING IN DENIAL over the reality that conservatism is SURGING UPWARDS.


2 posted on 10/04/2010 1:33:58 PM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: jazusamo

Is the Tea party violent? NO Is MarKOS a moron and a loon? YES


3 posted on 10/04/2010 1:35:09 PM PDT by dforest
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To: jazusamo

Does he mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ


4 posted on 10/04/2010 1:35:41 PM PDT by jessduntno (9/24/10, FBI raids home of appropriately named AAAN leader Hatem Abudayyeh, a friend of Obama.)
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To: jazusamo

Lets not forget that Special Ed Shultz basically declared war on the conservative “forces of evil” the other day.


5 posted on 10/04/2010 1:36:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

That was a moment of projection...and intentional deceipt...but war was declared none the less, right?


6 posted on 10/04/2010 1:38:28 PM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: cripplecreek
... Special Ed Shultz ...

*snicker*

7 posted on 10/04/2010 1:38:50 PM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: jazusamo

Its “projection.” They’re accusing the Tea Party of being violent, when, in fact, its the Leftists who are violent.
Last time I checked, Tea Partiers had not punched or beaten up anyone.
Can’t that much for Union thugs, Envirofascists, and other left-wing organizations.


8 posted on 10/04/2010 1:40:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (nO)
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To: jazusamo
Kos, it turns out, is a spectacularly ill-informed individual. Either that, or he’s just a bald-faced liar.

"I'll go with both."

+1...it's not a mutually exclusive proposition...both is correct.

9 posted on 10/04/2010 1:43:14 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: jazusamo

Ping for later...


10 posted on 10/04/2010 1:46:30 PM PDT by rlmorel (The voice of tyranny starts out smooth.)
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To: jazusamo

“Daily Kos’ dear leader says the Tea Party has violent tendencies.”.......

L.O.L!.......Maybe this idiot should check out the whack left violent protests from the sixties before he opens his pie hole!......


11 posted on 10/04/2010 1:46:41 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Little Ray
Its “projection.”

Absolutely, and they know it. They can't argue the facts so they strike out physically. Union thugs have done it for decades and one one the worst (Trumka) leads the afl-cio now.

12 posted on 10/04/2010 1:47:36 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

one one = one of


13 posted on 10/04/2010 1:50:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, the same Ed Schultz that said voter fraud is GREAT if it benefits liberals and the same Ed Schultz who is so upset at the Democrats that he said he’s not even going to vote.

He’s just praying that someone will “right-wing violence” him. Please...please let some conservative be violent to me!


14 posted on 10/04/2010 1:58:14 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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To: TexGuy
We, as one nation..., must stand together; must fight the forces of evil, the conservatives in this country, across the board.... They talk about the Constitution but they don't wanna live by it; they talk about our forefathers but they want discrimination. They want to change this country!"

Special Ed.
15 posted on 10/04/2010 2:00:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: jazusamo

Is the Tea Party violent?

Not yet.


16 posted on 10/04/2010 2:01:58 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: jazusamo

Does anyone know of an incident at a Tea Party that turned violent??


17 posted on 10/04/2010 2:03:09 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: jazusamo

Is the Tea Party violent? Of course it is... after all, there’s lots of evidence of Tea Party activists engaging in wanton violence and destruction, right? I mean, based on this clear, solid, objective, completely credible and irrefutable evidence, we can logically conclude that the Tea Party is indeed not just violent, but the most violent group of people who ever lived, in the whole entire universe.


18 posted on 10/04/2010 2:03:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: wolfcreek
Does anyone know of an incident at a Tea Party that turned violent??

I've never read or heard of a single incident.

19 posted on 10/04/2010 2:09:50 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: wolfcreek

“Does anyone know of an incident at a Tea Party that turned violent??”

Not since July 4, 1776


20 posted on 10/04/2010 2:11:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan; jazusamo

“Not since July 4, 1776”

LOL! that’s the one I remember.


21 posted on 10/04/2010 2:14:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: MeanWestTexan; wolfcreek

Yep, I’ll buy that! :-)


22 posted on 10/04/2010 2:17:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Is the tea party violent? It *could* be... ;)


23 posted on 10/04/2010 2:19:26 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Little Ray

You’re right - the lefties are the violent ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ


24 posted on 10/04/2010 2:24:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal violence against Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ)
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To: ichabod1

Years ago two freepers - a brother and sister - were beat up by union goons at a political rally. The MSM didn’t give a flip. The lefties are the violent ones. Here’s another example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ


25 posted on 10/04/2010 2:26:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal violence against Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ)
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To: jazusamo
Daily Kos' dear leader says the Tea Party has violent tendencies.

It is the libtards who are in favor of the use of force to violate natural rights and to seize, expropriate, and confiscate property in order to redistribute it.

26 posted on 10/04/2010 2:26:46 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: GOPJ

Of course they are. They are violent, thuggish, leftist, brownshirted goons. Look at that poor girl and her boyfriend who got badly hurt after the republican fundraiser in New Orleans, and many other examples. It really bothers me when we don’t punch back and punch back hard because brownshirts and storm troopers can intimidate a lot of folks, myself included.


27 posted on 10/04/2010 3:06:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: jazusamo
Wow, what a way to frame the debate. Some anti-Tea Party goons beat up a black Tea partier in a wheelchair, and this kos guy says that the victim was being violent.

This is pure projection. It is not only the debate that is being framed, but an entire political movement.


28 posted on 10/04/2010 4:01:18 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: cripplecreek

So what else is new?


29 posted on 10/04/2010 6:27:00 PM PDT by Sakity Yaks
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