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O'Donnell Didn't Dabble in Evolution?
The Looking Spoon ^ | 9-27-10 | Jared H. McAndersen

Posted on 09/27/2010 7:25:20 PM PDT by The Looking Spoon

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To: wendy1946

>>Yuppies ruin everything,

Yuppies Religionists ruin everything,

There, fixed it.

 

Rom 1:25-26
 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over...
NIV

"Created things" - ESPECIALLY man-made religious "things":

"fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time..."
---Thomas Jefferson,

"The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."
--Albert Einstein


21 posted on 10/02/2010 10:11:34 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill
The time differentials predicted by Special Relativity are today a self-evident, integral, part of many systems - including those that enable GPS navigation.

Funny... If relativity were in fact needed for GPS work you wouldn't think you'd have people like Ron Hatch with a baker's dozen GPS patents saying that relativity was something which GPS researchers were having to work around, would you?

"...According to Hatch, "Much can be learned from relativistic clock behavior. The Global Positioning System (GPS) has become a primary source for knowledge of relativistic clock behavior. One of the characteristics of clock behavior clearly evident in GPS is that all clocks in the earth-centered inertial (ECI) frame that are at sea level run at the same rate. A clock at sea level on the equator should run slow according to the Special Relativity Theory (SRT) due to its speed in the ECI frame. However, a clock at sea level on the equator should run fast according to the General Relativity Theory (GRT) due to the spin-induced equatorial bulge which causes the clock to be higher in the earth's gravitational potential (i.e. at a less negative potential). These two effects, explained by two disjoint theories, are of exactly equal magnitude but opposite sign".

The two Einstein theories of relativity are incompatible!

"Einstein's two theories, SRT and GRT, have no explanation for the clock phenomenon. SRT and GRT theories sometimes exhibit clock effects of equal magnitude which cancel and sometimes exhibit clock effects of equal magnitude which are additive. This cannot be coincidence, yet there is nothing within the two disjoint relativity theories to suggest an underlying mechanism. Since clock effects are a function of velocity squared (kinetic energy) and gravitational potential energy, it would seem that the common factor is related to the energy of the particle. But SRT treats kinetic energy as relative and GRT treats gravitation as a geometric effect of an orbiting body as following a force-free trajectory completely independent of energy considerations. SRT/GRT has no valid explanation for this phenomenon. Thus, both Einstein theories are invalid"!..."

The position of relativity in physics...

"...Thus, at the dawn of the 21st century, we again find an elite, smugly contented scientific establishment, but one now endowed with far more public authority and respect than that of the prior version. A veritable priesthood of high science controls major segments of public and private policy and expenditure for research, development, construction, production, education and publication throughout the world, and enjoys a cultural trust and reverence that extends far beyond its true merit. It is an establishment that is largely consumed with refinements and deployments of mid-20th century science, rather than with creative advancement of fundamental understanding of the most profound and seminal aspects of its trade. Even more seriously, it is an establishment that persists in frenetically sweeping legitimate genres of new anomalous phenomena under its intellectual carpet, thereby denying its own well-documented heritage that anomalies are the most precious raw material from which future science is formed..."

22 posted on 10/04/2010 5:51:53 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: LomanBill
I mentioned two elephant-in-livingroom kinds of problems with Einstein's statements on gravity, i.e. the problem of the instantaneous propagation of gravity, and the problem with super animals of the recent past which could not live in present gravity.

Einstein's attempted description of gravity as a four dimensional differential geometry thing cannot be squared with the idea of gravity having changed substantially on this planet recently; it also cannot square with the ESA having duplicated the basic Podkletnov experiment.

23 posted on 10/04/2010 6:00:35 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Heck, I’m still searching for the evolutionist’s ateleonomic “explaination” for instinctive behavior.

How does that which is inherently “software” get hardcoded into a mechanism that is without purpose, supposedly, by definition?


24 posted on 10/04/2010 6:56:43 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

It’s even worse than that. Rupert Sheldrake is demonstrated to a statistical certainty that a number of things which we ordinarily term “paranormal” are real. How does any of that stuff evolve??


25 posted on 10/04/2010 7:04:10 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: papertyger
How does that which is inherently “software” get hardcoded into a mechanism that is without purpose, supposedly, by definition?

Excellent question, one I have wondered about myself!

26 posted on 10/04/2010 8:42:30 AM PDT by Galatians513 (this space available for catchy tagline)
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To: wendy1946
>>If relativity were in fact needed for GPS work

3. Does the GPS confirm the clock rate changes predicted by GR and SR?

            The highest precision GPS receiver data is collected continuously in two frequencies at 1.5-second intervals from all GPS satellites at five Air Force monitor stations distributed around the Earth. An in-depth discussion of the data and its analysis is beyond the scope of this paper. [1] This data shows that the on-board atomic clock rates do indeed agree with ground clock rates to the predicted extent, which varies slightly from nominal because the orbit actually achieved is not always precisely as planned. The accuracy of this comparison is limited mainly because atomic clocks change frequencies by small, semi-random amounts (of order 1 ns/day) at unpredictable times for reasons that are not fully understood. As a consequence, the long-term accuracy of these clocks is poorer than their short-term accuracy.

Therefore, we can assert with confidence that the predictions of relativity are confirmed to high accuracy over time periods of many days.

http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/gps-relativity.asp#footnotes

So does relativistic clock behavior exist? YES, it does.
 
Still just a "thought experiment"? NO, it isn't.   And whoops there goes your assertion.
 
The relativistic time dilation incorporated into GPS is no more a "thought experiment" than E=MC^2 was a "thought experiment" when demonstrated at the Las Animos Trinity Site.
 
Now lets look at what you pasted:
"SRT and GRT theories sometimes exhibit clock effects of equal magnitude which cancel and sometimes exhibit clock effects of equal magnitude which are additive. This cannot be coincidence, yet there is nothing within the two disjoint relativity theories to suggest an underlying mechanism.
So SRT and GRT are incomplete.  That's your big revelation?   Being incomplete does not invalidate SRT's demonstrated usefulness in GPS systems.
 
 
What's the mysterious underlying mechanism?  I think maybe the crux to understanding it is here:
>>>the magic of a universal speed of light,<<<<
The underlying assumption is that DISTANCE - the amount of space (and thus the DENSITY of space) between two points - is constant.   Vary density - and distance proportional to density - and viola! C becomes variable in proportion to density as well.
 
So perhaps what's fundamentaly invalid is the assumption of C in the context of homogeneous density of space;  not SRT / GRT after all.
 
 
None of that unexists the demonstrated usefulness of the existing models.

27 posted on 10/04/2010 6:09:22 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill
You've got at least one recognized expert in the field of GPS who clearly views relativity as a bunch of BS. Moreover I've mentioned at least three insoluble problems for Einstein's thesis regarding gravity. Moreover the entire idea of deformable/relativistic time hinges entirely on the claim that the MM experiment fails in all cases and that appears to be the case only when the experiment is run at ground level and with 1880s equipment (do your own google search on 'Dayton Miller').

Thought experiments are not a rational basis for physics.

28 posted on 10/04/2010 6:19:33 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
[You've got at least one recognized expert in the field of GPS who clearly views relativity as a bunch of BS.]
 
LOL.  You pasted text from some guy's earthlink.home page
 
Somehow I doubt that's going to be enough to convince the military to recode their GPS systems which incorporate SRT to compensate for Doppler shifted frequencies.
 
 
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http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=GPS+AND+RELATIVITY:+AN+ENGINEERING+OVERVIEW
 

29 posted on 10/04/2010 7:05:21 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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