Posted on 08/11/2010 7:59:11 AM PDT by Alaphiah123
You blow a lot of smoke, but fail to address the issue, Spaulding. In WKA, the Supreme Court discussed at length their belief that natural born citizen is the republican form of natural born subject, and use NBS to show that since WKA qualified as a NBS, he would also be a NBC and thus a citizen.
You seem to think they wrote at length...why? For fun? Because they were bored? Because they couldn’t find the source of all truth, AKA Vattel?
They used the common law meaning of NBS to determine the original intent of the Framers in the use of NBC - and it was accepted law hundreds of years before the Constitution that alien parents, if in amity with the government, gave birth to a NBS while within the realm.
Thus logically the Framers intended that a NBC could have alien parents, if they resided in amity with the US government and gave birth in the USA.
The Supreme Court provided many lower court cases to back their opinion and show it was standard legal thought. And for the last 110 years, WKA has been followed to conclude that, as the Indiana courts found, “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
You can blow smoke on the Internet, but when you set foot in court, you need to cite the law. And it has been established law for many years that someone born in the USA of alien parents is a natural born citizen.
So bluff away and scream and holler - but no military court will ever find Obama ineligible due to his father being a UK citizen. Nor will any civilian court. Neither will Congress. Nor did McCain, or even Hillary. Nor any state, and even now, no state DA has concluded that.
You can cite a poor translation of Vattel from years after the Constitution, but the Supreme Court has already said Vattel isn’t the source of NBC - common law is.
You can deal with that fact, or you can continue to lose again and again and again. And no, the military is NOT going to overthrow Congress and the Supreme Court and march on DC and replace Obama, and that refusal does NOT constitute treason.
Thank you Mr. Rogers. One technique used by most engineers and scientists when solving problems is to test their solutions with some real numbers. Similarly, the result of the possibly inebriated justices in Indiana, who assumed that the electorate in the 1880’s had knowledge of Leo Donofrio’s discovery in 2008 that Arthur was born of father who was not a citizen. Arthur's father naturalized when Chester was fourteen years old. But Arthur, like Obama, lied about is family and attempted to burn his personal records, knowing he would die soon of kiney disease.
Let's ‘plug in’ the results which Mr. Rogers asserts are the intentions of the courts, both Indiana and the Supreme court: Kenyan prime minister Odinga’s son, Fidel, takes a vacation to Mexico where he meets Soroya, a beautiful Somali girl who was conscripted for a Jihadi mission. They travel across the Arizona boarder where they find a beautiful abandoned five bedroom home about thirty miles North of the border, in an area protected from the intrusion of Arizona racists by federal police. Fidel finds the detonation jacket uncomfortable and convinces her that Marxism in the U.S. would be OK with Allah, as long as she doesn't forget about Sharia. A baby whom they name Che Barack Odinga is born, and who is therefore a natural born citizen. Che Barack does wonderfully in school, though no one ever sees his records. He wins several Nobel Prizes (now named Talal Prizes) before graduating from Harvard Law school, and is only sad that he must wait until he is 35 years of age before he is able to continue the work of ten-term president Barack Hussein - promoting hope and change.
Calling 14th Amendment naturalization the same as natural born citizenship is ridiculous, but it is probably what Mr. Rogers was trying to teach us. Thank you Mr. Rogers.
Mr. Rogers also wants us to remember the decision of the court in the Wong Kim Ark case “...becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.” Wong Kim, until the acceptance of the Mr. Rogers amendment to the Constitution in 2010, was born on our soil, but could not have become president, having become a citizen, and not a natural born citizen.
Thank for clearing things up Mr. Rogers.
Finally, it isn't hard to translate “born on the soil of citizen parents.” John Bingham preferred “born within the jurisdiction ...of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.” Marshall was known for being blunt and concise, and told us he liked Vattel for that reason. Marshall, of course, was comfortable with the French language. Perhaps Mr. Rogers has another way of phrasing the notion, preserving the meaning, but using different words?
Guessing is what ALWAYS gets you in trouble. Yeah, he was the most tattooed monarch in the world, and he was quite folksy also not very faithful to his Swedish wife Ingrid either as he consumed a lot of Carlsberg/Tuborg and other brand of Danish beer, and at one time I was boy scout caring the flag on flag-day at Copenhagen football stadium he spoke too long and Ingrid was pulling at his navy uniform jacket, I heard him in loud whispering saying: "Shut up Bitch." Never forget it, LOL!
But from there to think any normal Dane would: ....."And, as the one person among this little group of debators who has actually sworn allegiance to a foreign king, I will certainly pay particular attention to what you have to say."......is soooo incredible ignorant (unknowable) and laughable to think you would get a free-thinking Dane to do that just blows my mind and I'm ROTLMAO at the notion to see how little some of my American fellow citizens know about history and geography. WOW, you really stepped in the poo-poo like Rush Limbaugh say ALL democRATS (you included?) will always do when it's put in front of them!!
....From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Denmark is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government. Denmark has a state-level government and local governments in 98 municipalities. Denmark has been a member of the European Union since 1973, although it has not joined the Eurozone. Denmark is a founding member of NATO and the OECD. Denmark is also a member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Denmark, with a mixed market capitalist economy and a large welfare state,[5] ranks as having the world's highest level of income equality. Denmark has the best business climate in the world, according to the U.S. business magazine Forbes.[6] From 2006 to 2008, surveys[7] ranked Denmark as "the happiest place in the world", based on standards of health, welfare, and education. The 2009 Global Peace Index survey ranks Denmark as the second most peaceful country in the world, after New Zealand.[8] In 2009, Denmark was ranked as one of the least corrupt countries in the world according to the Corruption Perceptions Index, ranking second only to New Zealand.[9]
When the Danes using the "Royal" this and "Royal" that, - they use it as a clever marketing tool, so that some American like you, really be impressed and willingly by their stuff thinking it's produced by the Royal family, still LOL, oh my, how stupid can you be?
Have you ever heard of the famous Danish Royal Porcelain, and other Danish Royal products??
You really think those products have a slightest connection with Frederik IV or now Queen Margaret II, hello, "are anybody home up there"???
As you see above Denmark is one of the few country that did NOT entered into to the Eurozone, because they (we) are a kind of people who think for themselves!!
A Norwegian friend here once gave me a tile with the inscription: "You can always tell a Dane, but you CAN'T tell him much!!!
Appreciate your pulling the covers off of that one. Many posters now working FR have zero credibility, but they keep posting as if credible. The stink is growing almost unbearable.
He comes here like a fortune teller of the past, or like a psychic knowing exactly what the framers had in their minds and specific what they were thinking regardless of all the proof he has been served. But that's what a FINO is suppose to do!!!
Again he just need some sort of medal so he can proudly expands his chest and spew more distractions!!!
One word: PUSSYCATS. Especially that one, that for God’s sake, is no longer serving!!!
Exactly what the founders had in mind when they wrote Article II, you remain someone who bears watching. Your insults are particularly endearing.
“He comes here like a fortune teller of the past, or like a psychic knowing exactly what the framers had in their minds and specific what they were thinking regardless of all the proof he has been served.”
Actually, I quoted what the Supreme Court said was on their minds - the Supreme Court belief about the original intent of the Founders. Against that, you offer...a poor translation of a book written years after the Constitution.
“Calling 14th Amendment naturalization the same as natural born citizenship is ridiculous, but it is probably what Mr. Rogers was trying to teach us. Thank you Mr. Rogers.”
WKA argued for pages that NBC was the legal equivalent of NBS, and since a NBS could have 2 alien parents, so could a NBC...and if WKA was a NBC, he was a citizen. They ALSO used the 14th Amendment.
Your stream of consciousness rant was phrased much more clearly and concisely in the DISSENT to WKA, which objected to the idea that the child of a tourist would be eligible to become President.
“Wong Kim, until the acceptance of the Mr. Rogers amendment to the Constitution in 2010, was born on our soil, but could not have become president, having become a citizen, and not a natural born citizen.”
The justice writing the dissent to WKA disagrees with you, and so has every court that has ever looked at WKA. You can whine about the Indiana Courts, but no one with standing has challenged that decision. Not a single state DA has raised an objection. Not a single state legislature. No one.
So you are left with your black helicopter theories, and nonsense about how anyone who doesn’t participate in a military coup is a traitor...
Denmark is peaceful because America has protected them. They sit on the shoulders of giants and call themselves tall...
WOW, what a moronic and ignorant post, it takes the price of one of the stupidest post seen here on FR for a long time. No Danes are swearing allegiance to their King, and if you go to Denmark and tell them that, you would be run out of town as the biggest clown!!
No one in the military has ever, as far as I know, any duty to swear allegiance to the King, yes I'm still laughing, and you better wash your mouth with soap!!!
Do you understand the meaning of "By appointment of the Danish Royal Court"???
Since when???
Silly me, I thought that you were an American, but I see that your Danish allegiance still trumps.
Since WW2...
You sure dig yourself deeper and deeper in the Poo-Poo. What has that to do with my post you are "replying"(?) to???
“Who was it that really found America first???”
The Injuns...anyone else is a johnny-come-lately.
You got that right mister, no question about that, that's the group you and a few others supports and foster!!!
Who is your dear leader's father, and who went to Indonesia to get Indonesian citizenship. And WHY are you so adamant of shielding ALL his sealed records he and YOU don't want us to see, WHY,...huh???
For the first time I could not agree with you more!
Yes, you are really SILLY and it shows!!
And yes, I am an American citizen WITHOUT a hyphen, and I'm still proud to be one. When I became that I did swear an allegiance to our Constitution, and in contrast to you, that's what I and a lot here are still fighting for the best way we can to get the truth out to the American people instead of throwing a blanket over them!!!
How about you have you ever sworn allegiance to the Constitution or are you just here to muddying the water and being a FINO???
Sorry to hear you want a military coup...but you won’t get it!
“WHY,...huh???”
Because if he was born in America, the rest doesn’t matter. Not his father’s citizenship. Not going to Indonesia.
And Hawaii says he was born in America.
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