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The case for teaching intelligent design in public schools; part 2
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 03/30/2010 | John Mark Burleigh

Posted on 03/30/2010 2:34:25 PM PDT by Patriot1259

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To: schaef21

just under 3/4’s is actually salted water.....the reason I ax’d is 2fold....1. your knowledge in the above posts and I expected a “no I don’t know” answer

in fact, ax a million people and no one can answer. Why ?
Either no curiousity or they were not taught.

the answer also is 2fold...........the earth is mostly salt water so when the sun is it’s most active, our waters do not evaporate to extinction and when the sun is it’s most inactive, our seas do not freeze to immobility. And both sun cycles within a margin that still allows evaporation to replenish earth with useable water

As a kid at church gatherins we made lots of home made ice creme.....granny would pop the top of the hand cranked ice creme machine to see if the ice creme was “hard enuf”.....if not we put rock salt on top and continued crankin til the ice creme was hard enuf to scoop

So much for global warming huh...........and the reason this universal truth is not taught ? GOD....it admits a supreme being made us and all things and well....we can’t teach that can we.


41 posted on 04/03/2010 9:31:01 PM PDT by advertising guy (Consumer Of Confiscated Liquers Czar)
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To: schaef21

You cannot refute the genetic test I cited. It proves conclusively that humans and chimps have a common ancestor. All of your other questions must be answered in light of that.


42 posted on 04/04/2010 3:44:08 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama: Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg)
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To: muir_redwoods

I have studied the Creation/Evolution debate in great detail for many years. I have never seen the evolution side of the argument make the claim that you have made.

Please provide me with access to the study that you cite.

In the meantime, I respectfully ask for your answers to my questions. “It doesn’t matter” does not cut it.


43 posted on 04/04/2010 6:44:40 AM PDT by schaef21
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To: advertising guy

Amen.


44 posted on 04/04/2010 5:20:19 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: Matchett-PI
False. That's what evolutionISM is. Google it.

And according to this article creationism is established scientific fact? Ridiculous.

45 posted on 04/04/2010 5:25:11 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: wendy1946
There has never been a valid reason for anybody with any semblance of brains or talent believing in evolution since that time.

There are thousands and thousands of actual scientists who would disagree with you on that one.

46 posted on 04/04/2010 5:26:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

And they’re all wrong.


47 posted on 04/04/2010 7:26:07 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
And they’re all wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up for us. </sarcasm>

48 posted on 04/05/2010 4:05:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: schaef21
Start here. If you can't read the full article try one of the wikis. You are looking for a reference to endogenous retroviruses. The understanding of them serving as irrefutable proof for determin9ing common ancestry across species line has been common in biological circles for 20-30 years. That you don't know about them is why I will not waste any more bandwidth on this silliness.

And no, your other questions don't mean anything as the matter is well settled.

http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/63/11/4982

49 posted on 04/05/2010 3:38:16 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama: Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg)
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To: muir_redwoods

OK Redwoods.

I’ll look into it. I notice that the article was written in 1989. I have been studying the creation/evolution debate for over 5 years and have never seen this argument used by the evolution side of the argument.....not even once.

If the proof is so irrefutable, I can’t help but wonder why it is never brought up.

I have a friend who has a PhD in Microbiology who I will talk to about this.

In the meantime, don’t pretend that my questions don’t matter...... your inability to answer them is the reason you won’t try.


50 posted on 04/05/2010 6:32:04 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: schaef21
I've explained it for you but I can't understand it for you. The matter has been clearly understood for years as you indicate. Your inability to grasp the trump to your questions is not my fault and I won't waste any more time with you.

You can have the last word; children like that I'm told.

51 posted on 04/05/2010 6:50:49 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama: Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg)
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To: muir_redwoods

In the short time that I’ve had to read the info on the link you referenced, I found these phrases used by the scientists doing the research:

“This suggests”
“We developed a method to estimate”
“we estimated”
“These results suggest”
“our knowledge about their evolution is still scarce” “roughly estimated”
“suggesting”
“may suggest”
“It is possible”

These are words used in describing something irrefutable????

I’ll do more research on the subject.

By the way, you forgot to tell me that I’m a poopoo-head.


52 posted on 04/05/2010 8:19:44 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: muir_redwoods; wendy1946; advertising guy

Unfortunately Redwoods, I actually looked into your claim. I understand now why Evolutionists do not argue this “irrefutable” evidence.

I sent your condescending posts to a friend who has a PhD in Microbiology.....and incidentally is involved in research.

This is what he sent me back:

“You are correct, this is “old” news. Evolutionists have argued, to varying degrees, that sequences, such as
HERVs, ‘prove’ common descent.

First, this is making an unsupportable assumption of the purpose and history of these HERV sequences in the genome.

Second, like usual, the evolutionists ignore the contradictory or inconsistent data, because they KNOW evolution (i.e., common descent) is true, thus any apparent inconsistent or contradictory evidence is simply being interpreted wrong. In the case of HERVs, for example, there is also a HERV (HERV-K) that is found in chimpanzees, gorillas, and bonobos, but not humans (Current Biology. 2001. 11:779).

This is inconsistent with HERVs as a marker for common descent. Of course evolutionists respond by saying HERV-K does not contract common descent, it just simply was lost in the human lineage sometime after we diverged from chimps.

It is a cop-out argument, and there is no way to prove it is wrong (how do you prove a negative?).”

(Schaef 21 comment: If there’s no way to prove that it is wrong, it violates the Scientific Method and is therefore Philosophy.)

“But, more importantly, there is no evidence that humans ever possessed HERV-K. It is a clear case of the evidence for the human loss of HERV-K is entirely based upon the supposition of evolution.”

He’s explained it for you but he can’t understand it for you.... you like to use that phrase, right?

Evolutionists are great at circular arguments. “We know evolution is true, so let’s look at the evidence in light of the fact that evolution is true.” In the end, they “prove” that evolution is true..... given their presupposition, they would, wouldn’t they?

I have dealt with your arguments, now please answer my questions. They can be found in Post #38


53 posted on 04/06/2010 9:12:02 AM PDT by schaef21
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To: schaef21

I’ll keep an eye on responses...thx for the ping


54 posted on 04/06/2010 9:16:40 AM PDT by advertising guy (Consumer Of Confiscated Liquers Czar)
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To: schaef21

Excellent, thanks!


55 posted on 04/06/2010 9:50:52 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: muir_redwoods

Hey Man....

I answered your question..... how about answering mine?


56 posted on 04/07/2010 3:03:09 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: wendy1946; muir_redwoods

Well Wendy..... it looks like Redwoods took a powder. I guess his point stands refuted.... and he doesn’t want to deal with the questions on the table.


57 posted on 04/13/2010 7:15:16 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: schaef21

Evolution is not being defended by anybody with brains or talent at this juncture, just academic dead wood.


58 posted on 04/14/2010 4:16:46 AM PDT by wendy1946
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