Skip to comments.Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes
Posted on 03/17/2010 1:47:59 AM PDT by Suvroc10
A shocking, new survey in the New England Journal of Medicine says that 46% of US doctors will either quit or be forced out of their practice if Obamacare passes. While this number is shocking because it is fretfully high and means that nearly one out of every two doctors in the US will no longer practice if Obamacare passes, it is nonetheless a dependable figure reported by a leading physician search firm with offices in the Atlanta and Dallas area, the Medicus Firm. The areas of specialty hit hardest by Obamacare, according to the survey, are in the family medicine and internal medicine fields. The bad survey results just continue as it was also revealed that a whopping 72% of doctors feel that a public option (such as that the Democrats have been flirting with) would cause the supply of doctors to decline, and, maybe consequently, an equally alarming 63% of doctors would not even recommend medicine anymore as a career choice!
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This assumes, of course, that they will be permitted to quit.
I know most of the doctors I see are over the age of 50 and thus could easily retire. I also know that some of my doctors have quit and gone into teaching as the hours and stress are a lot better. There are also positions in research, consulting, drug companies, lecutring, and other such fields, also the army is always looking for doctors.
“This assumes, of course, that they will be permitted to quit.”
How many people would be comfortable receiving their medical care from someone who is being coerced? For that matter, how many people would be comfortable receiving care from someone who was dispirited and despondent about their profession?
Just as we “freep” polls to send a message, there is an element of manipulating the data here because physicians know how terrible this bill is, for them and for medicine i general, and even those who won’t quit want to send a message. The actual number who quit would be much less, probably 15% to 24% of our physicians, but that’s still huge. Socialism is not going to be pretty if Obama and Pelosi impose it by force.
No problemo! Will just import 3rd world medical school graduates to take up the slack!
It’s what England did!
This health care bill is a great thing... for the Caribbean nations and Latin America.
Stable countries close to the United States will see a huge influx of highly trained doctors opening new clinics, and huge numbers of “vacationing” Americans and Canadians willing to pay extra airfare to get procedures that will no longer be available north of the border.
If I was a Mexican mafia type, I would stop running drugs and start building hospitals.
The Obama Administration needs to study the law of Unintended Consequences. Massive Doctor retirments plus a massive amount of new patients = Super Long lines (probaby weeks or months in queues). DOH!
Just “going Galt” is all.
I doubt many will actually quit, even if they are going to take a hit if it passes, they still make really good money and will continue to work.
I hate to say “I told you so.” But I did.
But only if the are permitted to do so ....
And he Lefties would have no problem with that.
Investor Business Daily reported the same thing a few months ago.........
Just go on beleiving that pipe dream if you choose. I know a lot of doctors and I have been getting the same numbers since this whole fiasco started. Whistling past the graveyard is just that.
Obamacare will be a socialist disaster, it will lead to massive rationing, and it will drive physicians into retirement or at least non-clinical work. I simply suspect that the actual percentage who quit is overstated. Don't worry, even 15% departing would cripple medical care in every liberal city, which would serve the socialists right.
Obama will figure out a system of "Exit Visas" to leave the United States, or force people to post big bail-like securities if they travel overseas and they are over a certain amount of income.
Obama is going to be extremely afraid of a drain from the United States of medical professionals, and others of relatively high income particulary with conservative or libertarian voting records and habits (book purchases, etc). Got to keep the tax slaves in the fort, you know??!
Good! The sooner that we dump most of the government positions and special interest waste through the default to come, the better. Here’s something related.
New study is not going to make the President very happy (Obamacare a job-killer)
There are lots of alternative non-clinical career choices available in industry including, but not limited to:
I have done most of the above at one point or another during my career, and am still involved in a number of entrepeneurial projects that will keep me busy for many years, including the development of DNA coated gold nanoparticles that can be implanted into tumors to measure the radiation dose being delivered. Likewise my business partners and I are building cancer centers in the middle east and may build a pharmaceutical manufacturing plant there as well.
There are also possibilities of continuing clinical medicine with cash-only practices (until Obama finds a way to end this) and the possibility of migrating to states like Virginia which has voted to reject Obamacare.
There are also non-medical careers that one might consider. Anyone intelligent enough to graduate from medical school should be able to compete in the job market. All of us have undergraduate degrees in a variety of fields that would provide some alternative employment opportunities. Most of us have graduated at or near the top of our class. I know there are lots of physicians who are going to seminars and mapping out strategies to exit clinical medicine and start alternative careers. I also saw an article about a physician who was selling clothes on ebay, making more money than she made seeing patients.
And then there are those like me who are close enough to retirement, who may just say enough is enough and get out of clinical medicine and become a full time Spyder Ryder, heading off to Galt Gulch
It is already the case. Look in the phone book for doctors.
Suburban American kids are not interested in medicine, but the immigrants are, and their kids are.
Driving out the old guard and replacing them with ROP types is part of the plan.
But don't worry, they think just like us and practice the same kind of medicine, right?
Throw in one more problem: the state of education in our country raises serious doubts as to our ability to produce students capable of handling the rigors of medical school.
In the future, most of the doctors you see will come from foreign countries (which is fine with me- I’d rather have a properly trained physician from Turkey than an American who got through a medial school dumbed down to meet the abilities of poorly educated students)
I have no intention of submitting to treatment by any Muslim doctor. Ever.
The supply of US born doctors will decrease dramatically as occurred in Britain. The US will follow the British model and import jihadi Muslim doctors. Sweet!
God, that is scary!
Not only will there be brain drain, there will be revenue flight as soon as professionals see the writing on the wall.
If there is anything that will totally kill the idea of the United States as a free country it will be preventing them from travelling freely.
I bet there will be more than that.
It’s not just about the money. Socialized medicine will put them under the thumb of the govt. They don’t want to be controlled by the govt. anymore than we do.
I will point this out...having lived in Germany for fifteen years.
Around 2005, in Germany....roughly 5,000 German doctors gave notice and left the country (they actually unregistered and gave intent)...and they left for countries like Australia, US, Canada, etc. By spring of 2006...the German government realized a huge problem was underway and quickly agreed to some salary upgrades and cost upgrades (they admitted quickly that it would send health insurance higher, but they had no choice).
In a country of 80 million, and with a university system geared to produce X number of doctors per year....they could not readily make up the missing doctors. So you began to notice foreign doctors (mostly Turkey & Russia) showing up and being a junior partner in a local clinic.
They sit and review the exit numbers now on a monthly basis. They can’t force the doctors to stay....so money is the only enticement.
For well over forty years....price control was the thing that kept German universal health care affordable and within reason. It’s basically in a failure state now.
This past year...while the percentage for a citizen is set at roughly 15.5 percent of your salary for your health care package (your employer pays the same)....they’ve had to start a extra fee (roughly $8 a month) on top of the percentage. This month, they announced that this fee in 2011 will go to around $30 a month. Within five years....the monthly fee....on top of your 15.5 percent deduction...will be around $60 a month. You can see the game being played out.
Based on the economic system in all of these countries....you will be unable to pay for regular health care...under any package...by 2040. Medicare, universal health care....it doesn’t matter. And it’s simply a matter of your expectations of living into your 70’s, while smoking and drinking as much as you please. The system isn’t broke, but our expectations are.
I think it is likely that the “plan” will require practicing doctors to accept Obamacare patients regardless of the fees paid. After all, who can refuse to accept the US government? But hey, with 30 million newly insured, coverage for all preexisting conditions and half the number of doctors, what could go wrong?
Its what England did!
God help us...
That means about half of the lawyers will be out of a job as well! Man, are they going to be pissed off.
They could always move up to a higher paying jog like plumber, brick layer, HVAC tech.,,,,
Thanks for the ping.
The doctor at Fort Hood was valued for his "diversity" above all else - might be the same here...
Thanks for the ping!
Bumping this thread again just in case some FReepers are getting tired of calling / faxing / e-mailing Congress critters...
Bart Gordon the latest TN Flipper lines and voice mail are FULL.
If you cant go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies in front of a nursing home, or SS office. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.
Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Militarys health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerrys Kids.
Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you can...its CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. Hes now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.
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Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff free preventive care and free checkups and so forth they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollees cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
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Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes
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Weekly Standard ^ | March 18, 2010 | Jeffrey Anderson
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:02:44 PM
The numbers are also listed on Rushs page.
Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762
They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.
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Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!
Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762
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Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
RUSH says to pressure these 2
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recd from NCTeaParty.com Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.
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And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351
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