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Birth of a Notion, Part 2. Barack Obama and the XIV Amendment.
Boiling Frogs Blog ^ | 12/15/2008 | Luis Gonzalez

Posted on 02/12/2010 8:48:04 PM PST by Lancelot Jones

In my previous commentary on the subject of Barack Obama’s Constitutional eligibility to hold the Office of President of The United States, I touched briefly on the subject of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and whether or not it impacts the question of the President-elect meeting the “natural born citizen” standard. To expand on this notion that the XIV Amendment defines the requirement found in Article II, Section 1 of The Constitution, let’s examine the pertinent text:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”

So then, all persons born or naturalized are citizens, and no State shall enact laws that abridges their privileges.

The defense of Barack Obama’s eligibility is centered on his being born on US soil (Hawaii), and that neither his dual citizenship, nor his father being a British subject, owing allegiance to the Crown, alter the fact that he meets the Constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen.” Thus the argument that a Birth Certificate showing him being born in Hawaii, settles the issue.

In order for this argument to work, one must then assume that the term “natural born citizen” found in the Constitution, has the exact same meaning as the term “persons born” found in the Amendment.

Let’s work that notion out.

The Fourteenth Amendment clearly states that “persons born” and “naturalized” and subject to the jurisdiction of the nation, are both “citizens of The United States”, so the Amendment creates an equality in the definition of citizen between those who are citizens by accident of birth, and those who become citizens by act of legislature, so long as they are “subject to the the jurisdiction” of the United States.

The Amendment goes on to forbid the States from enacting any laws abridging the “privileges” of citizens of The United States, that we now understand to mean both citizens by birth (persons born), and naturalized citizens. Keeping that definition in mind, and with the understanding that under our system of government, the individual States are Constitutionally charged with conducting elections, and electing the President via the Electoral College, then it stands to reason that it is unconstitutional for the States to not allow a naturalized citizen to run, be elected, and occupy the Office of President of The United States.

This is obviously wrong. It is an unquestionable fact that naturalized citizens are not Constitutionally qualified to hold the Office of President, or Vice-President. Yet, Amendment XIV tells us that “persons born” and persons “naturalized” enjoy equal standing as citizens, whose “privileges and immunities” can not be abridged by the States. This inconsistency forces our attention to be turned to that third “type” of citizen mentioned in the Constitution, the “natural born” citizen. This citizen is unique, enjoying a privilege beyond those equally and Constitutionally protected for “persons born” and “naturalized”…the privilege of serving as Head of the Executive Branch, and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

What sets this citizen apart from the rest?

Is the answer to be found under that yet-to-be-discussed qualification of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”?

The Oath of Citizenship, sworn by naturalized citizens during the Naturalization process, settles the question of jurisdiction to a higher degree than even for “persons born”, as the “naturalized” citizen is required to ”… absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen…”, but a “person born” may in fact posses dual citizenship, and as a result, dual allegiance.

Is the concept of “allegiance” then what differentiates this “natural born” citizen, from the “person born” and the “naturalized” one?

The answer may be found rooted in international law, Common Law, and the commentaries surrounding the ratification of the XIV Amendment.

Emerich de Vatel’s “The Law of Nations”, the 18th century treatise recognized as the foundation of modern international law, states the following on Chapter XIX, paragraph 212:

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

In “Commentaries on the Laws of England”, the seminal work on the Common Law that constitutes the basis of our own Constitution, Sir William Blackstone comments on the subject of allegiance:

”Allegiance, both express and implied, is however distinguished by the law into two sorts or species, the one natural, the other local; the former being also perpetual, the latter temporary. Natural allegiance is such as is due from all men born within the king’s dominions immediately upon their birth.” ~~~ “Local allegiance is such as is due from an alien, or stranger born, for so long time as he continues within the king’s dominion and protection: and it ceases, the instant such stranger transfers himself from this kingdom to another.”

Sir William continues:

”… all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception.’

This idea is perpetuated in current British Law: 

”British Nationality Act of 1948, Part II, Section 5 (1) — Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.”

How do we apply these concepts to the question of whether or not Barack Obama meets the Constitutional standard of “natural born citizen” found under Article II, Section 1 of our Constitution?

Let’s examine two more pieces of the puzzle.

While relatively sparse debate is on record surrounding the introduction and ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, what records we have give us clues as to both the meaning of “jurisdiction” with the context of the Amendment, and the historical traits which separates the “natural born” citizen, from the “person born” citizen.

When pressed about whether Indians living on reservations would be covered by the clause since they were “most clearly subject to our jurisdiction, both civil and military,” Senator Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the drafting and adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, responded that “’subject to the jurisdiction’” of the United States meant subject to its ‘complete’jurisdiction, “[n]ot owing allegiance to anybody else.”

Senator Jacob Howard, who introduced the language of the jurisdiction clause on the floor of the Senate, contended that it should be construed to mean “a full and complete jurisdiction . . . the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now” (i.e., under the 1866 Act).59 That meant that the children of Indians who still “belong[ed] to a tribe” and hence owed allegiance to another sovereign (however dependent the sovereign was) would not qualify for citizenship under the Clause.”

Sen. John Bingham, the man generalized recognized as being the father of the Amendment, had this to say on the subject of the jurisdiction clause: ”Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

These quotes from the men authoring the Amendment, give a much clearer picture of that quality separating a “person born” from a “natural born” citizen…natural born citizens owe no allegiance to any other country at the time of their birth, nor are they the children of a parent owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty. A natural born citizen is the child of American citizens, born owing allegiance to the United States and no other nation.

In addition, from the words of the auhors of the XIV Amendment themselves, we are able to determine that it does not change the Constitutional requirement to hold office found in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Barack Obama Sr. was a citizen of Kenya, and as such a British subject, under the temporary jurisdiction of the United States, who transferred his British citizenship to President-elect Barack Obama at birth.

Under the Law of Nations, English Law, and American Constitutional Law, Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, and as a result, does not meet the Constitutional requirements to hold the office he’s been elected to.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthers; certifigate; eligibility; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 02/12/2010 8:48:04 PM PST by Lancelot Jones
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

~~PING!


2 posted on 02/12/2010 8:52:52 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Lancelot Jones

No arguments from me.


3 posted on 02/12/2010 8:56:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Lancelot Jones; STARWISE

Thank you, Lancelot Jones. And STARWISE, I don’t say “thank you” often enough for your informative pings. I keep hoping for a miracle in spite of those who want to overlook, make excuses for, or simply ignore the unanswered questions about the man who is our president.

If I had a “bucket list”, the answers to Obama’s mysteries would be on it.


4 posted on 02/12/2010 8:59:38 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: CaribouCrossing

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5 posted on 02/12/2010 9:03:11 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Lancelot Jones
"Under the Law of Nations, English Law, and American Constitutional Law, Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, and as a result, does not meet the Constitutional requirements to hold the office he’s been elected to."

Be that as it may, the reality is we are stuck with him for the time being. He will be his own undoing in the long run just as Carter was. The damage in his wake is what we should concern ourselves with.

6 posted on 02/12/2010 9:04:47 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Lancelot Jones

Nicely done!


7 posted on 02/12/2010 9:07:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: pissant; Herbster

ping


8 posted on 02/12/2010 9:23:46 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Lancelot Jones
BRAVO!!!

Center column 5 paragraphs up:

The 14th amendment will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who
belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but
will include every other class of person.

Senitor Jacob M. Howard Congressional Globe,Senate, 39th Congress, Page 2890, 1st Session May 30th 1866

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

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Center column 3rd paragraph down:

Source:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=2
>! you have to turn to page 1291 !>

Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . –
John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

9 posted on 02/12/2010 9:33:01 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Lancelot Jones

Nice work!


10 posted on 02/12/2010 9:34:32 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Lancelot Jones

Excellent post
I wrote about the very thing

Being born in the United States does not even make one a ‘NATIVE’ citizen.


11 posted on 02/12/2010 9:55:53 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
I read your ‘NATIVE’ citizen post.
Very good.
I see you met the wiggy troll.
12 posted on 02/12/2010 10:12:38 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Thanks for the comment


13 posted on 02/12/2010 10:24:17 PM PST by syc1959
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To: blackbart.223

That damage is not billions-it is many trillions now.


14 posted on 02/12/2010 10:51:39 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: DaveTesla

Thank you for that source. I had the Bingham quote, but not a link to it.

There is also this...from the Department of State (I'm still reading through it):

In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

So...the Department of State is saying that even if Obama was granted natural born citizen status via a law that transferred it from his mother, and in spite of his father's British citizenship, and Obama's dual citizenship, he STILL wouldn't meet the Constitutional requirement to hold the office.

Laws or statutes do not trump the Constitution.

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine; In memoria æterna erit justus, ab auditione mala non timebit.

Beauseant!

15 posted on 02/12/2010 10:56:17 PM PST by Lancelot Jones (Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: syc1959

Just read your page.

Nicely done.

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine; In memoria æterna erit justus, ab auditione mala non timebit.

Beauseant!

16 posted on 02/12/2010 10:57:16 PM PST by Lancelot Jones (Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Lancelot Jones; LucyT

But they did not mentioned anything about his present Indonesian citizenship, hmmm!!!


17 posted on 02/12/2010 11:07:15 PM PST by danamco
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To: Lancelot Jones
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18 posted on 02/13/2010 1:11:54 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Lancelot Jones
Cool! Learned something new today.
Gradual
19 posted on 02/13/2010 3:29:52 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: blackbart.223
The damage in his wake is what we should concern ourselves with.

Unless the wake is ours and not his.

20 posted on 02/13/2010 11:04:33 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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