Posted on 11/08/2009 2:53:00 PM PST by American Dream 246
We are witnessing a national suicide.
Fort Hood jihadist's coworkers saw warning signs, but said nothing for fear of seeming bigoted Jihadwatch Details here.
So this is what it has come to -- this is the fruit of the long-term efforts by groups such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations and others, to stigmatize and demonize everyone who speaks honestly about the threat of jihad and Islamic supremacism. People are afraid to speak up about what they see, when they know it is wrong.
And all it cost this week was 13 dead and 38 wounded.
Fellow student at Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences says complained to faculty about Hasan's presentation that 'justified suicide bombings and spewed 'anti-American propaganda.' Sister: I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person
Associated Press Published: 11.08.09, 10:08 / Israel News
Some who knew Nidal Malik Hasan said they saw clear signs the young Army psychiatrist, who authorities say went on a shooting spree at the Army base Fort Hood that left 13 dead and 29 others wounded, had no place in the military.
There was the classroom presentation that justified suicide bombings. Comments to colleagues about a climate of persecution faced by Muslims in the military. Conversations with a mosque leader that became incoherent.
After he arrived at Fort Hood, Hasan was conflicted about what to tell fellow Muslim soldiers about the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, alarming an Islamic community leader from whom he sought counsel.
"I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."
Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates in a graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal written complaint.
"The system is not doing what it's supposed to do," said Dr. Val Finnell, who studied with Hasan from 2007-2008 in the master's program in public health at the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. "He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out."
Military criminal investigators continued late Saturday to refer to Hasan as the only suspect in the shootings, declining to say when charges would be filed. "We have not established a motive for the shootings at this time," said Army Criminal Investigative Command spokesman Chris Grey.
A government official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case said an initial review of Hasan's computer use has found no evidence of links to terror groups, or anyone who might have helped plan or push him toward the shooting attack. The review of Hasan's computer is continuing and more evidence could emerge, the source said.
Hasan likely would face military justice rather than federal criminal charges if investigators determine the violence was the work of just one person.
Counseling and extra supervision But Hasan's family described a man incapable of the attack, calling him a devoted doctor and devout Muslim who showed no signs that he might lash out with violence.
"I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others," said his brother, Eyad Hasan, of Sterling, Virginia, in a statement. "He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen."
Others recalled a pleasant neighbor who forgave a fellow soldier charged with tearing up his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker. A superior officer at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, Col. Kimberly Kesling, has said Hasan was a quiet man with a strong work ethic who provided excellent care for his patients.
Still, in the days since authorities believe Hasan fired more than 100 rounds in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the US, a picture has emerged of a man who was forcefully opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, was trying to get out of his late November deployment to Afghanistan and had struggled professionally in his work as an Army psychiatrist.
"He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin, told the AP from his home on the outskirts of the Palestinian city of Ramallah. "He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge."
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Twice this summer, Danquah said, Hasan asked him what to tell soldiers who expressed misgivings about fighting fellow Muslims. The retired Army first sergeant and Gulf War veteran said he reminded Hasan that these soldiers had volunteered to fight, and that Muslims were fighting against each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the "Palestinian territories."
"I'd give him my response. It didn't seem settled, you know. It didn't seem to satisfy," he said. "It would be like a person playing the devil's advocate. ... I said, `Look. I'm not impressed by you.'"
Danquah said he was so disturbed by Hasan's persistent questioning that he recommended the mosque reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood. But he never saw a need to tell anyone at the sprawling Army post about the talks, because Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence.
However, classmate Finnell said that Hasan made a presentation during their studies "that justified suicide bombing" and spewed "anti-American propaganda" as he argued the war on terror was "a war against Islam." Finnell said he and at least one other student complained about Hasan, surprised that someone with "this type of vile ideology" would be allowed to wear an officer's uniform.
But Finnell said no one filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan's comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory.
Hasan received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern at the suburban Washington hospital, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.
Both military and civilian investigators have yet to talk with Hasan, who reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!", Arabic for "God is great!", at the start of Thursday's attack. He was seriously wounded by police and transferred Friday to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, and officials said late Saturday he was no longer on a respirator.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3801716,00.html
I’m sure Hussein is proud.
We are well and truly screwed if even our soldiers are politically corrected.
A few weeks ago I jokingly said that we americans are more afraid of being called a racist, then we are of terrorists.......
Just as a generation or two ago people needed to be encouraged to speak up when they suspected such things as spousal or child abuse, child molestation, rape, etc., we now need to encourage people to speak up when they see things like this.
Why should we be surprised? The way the media rushed out, not even waiting for the bodies to hit the floor, to scold Americans who might think this murderous attack had anything to do with the murderer’s “religious” beliefs.
Hopefully this event will help us get over that particular hang-up and we'll be able to make headway in overcoming this particular weakness.
Death to PC before it is the death of us
He was reported by a fellow psychiatrist (and maybe others) at Walter Reed. No one missed him. He did not fall bewteen the cracks.
THEY KNEW, they ignored, promoted him and sent him to Ft Hood.
The dicussion needs to go back to “What was done with the report filed by co-workers at Walter Reed.”
Otherwise blame will fall on the ‘system’ and his pre-PTSD (gag me) and not the individuals who set the stage for 13 men and women to be slaughtered in cold blood.
‘I honestly have no pity for them’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npAvM-VWwhc&feature=player_embedded
Meanwhile, some Muslims aren’t concerned about being bigotted in the least.
Something about the triumph of evil and good men doing nothing comes to mind...
It’s death by political correctness. The terrorists count on American stupidity. Our weakness, their ace in the hole. If we played like they did, we’d wait for the yearly muslim trek to Mecca and nuke it off the face of the earth. You know they’d do just that to us, if we all gathered in such numbers in one place every year. We don’t play to win and they do.
"I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others," said his brother, Eyad Hasan, of Sterling, Virginia, in a statement. "He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen."
Hasan got a bad case of the mental illness known as Islam.
Political correctness, brought to you by the Democrat Party who will be soundly defeated next year. It will be the biggest ass whipping in the history of this country (if the Republicans can grow a set by then). We’ll see.
Scary thing is, Danquah sounds quite sincere (I can’t fathom how it could in his best interests to invent this story), and apparently assumed that if Hasan was really a serious threat, people in the military would notice warning signs and deal with it. They did notice, but they didn’t deal with it. Perhaps if the warning had come from Danquah, a local Islamic leader, they would have acted, because they would have been pretty well protected against any accusations that they were “persecuting” Hasan because he was Muslim. But we shouldn’t have to rely on local Islamic leaders to warn us of jihadists in our armed forces (especially since many of them *are* jihadists).
America will civilize itself out of existence.
I think the promotion was probably just routine for anybody who finished the training program he was in. But of course, with warning signs going back quite a long time, he shouldn’t have been allowed to stay in the military or in the training program.
I’m feeling pretty good about Joe Lieberman pushing for an investigation. He has enough integrity to put some things above politics. Though how he could bring himself to run for VP as Algore’s underling is hard to fathom.
It is obvious to anyone with two or more functioning brain cells that this was Islamic terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe Rush ought to find himself a 'certified muslim enough to criticize muslims' to criticize muslims on his show.
Someone needs to make the 0 in office own up to the fact that he is biased towards muslims and that this compromises his ability (among many other things, of course) - a 'conflict of interest,' so to speak - to lead this nation in it's struggle against islamic attempts at domination.
[The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.]
In the US, it is not illegal to buy a fully automatic firearm, merely very expensive and paperwork intensive. If a firearm is full-auto and made or imported into the US before 1984, it can be freely sold to non-law enforcement people as long as:
Lots of warning signs already have been established. The MSM is failing to be "the first to report". The Major was on an FBI watch list. I think this one just got away from the President-elect national intelligence (DNI) Czar, Blair. His duty is to manage and coordinate a sprawling, 16-agency bureaucracy".
The London Telegraph.co.uk has been the first with bloggers running with it. They are very into Hasan as he shares a relationship with the radical Imam Anwar al-Awlaki with some of the 9/11 terrorists. The Iman was not allowed into Great Britain, He is allowed in the US.
Now I am truly afraid .....
Do I have this right “The army is afraid of WORDS”???
I have given up trying to figure out the Al Gore thing. I just don’t think about it. It’s easier that way.
You are right about the promotion. I read he had some bad evaluations and was not that good at what he did. Passing and breathing must be the only requirements.
Regardless, reports were filed which were ignored. We hear about how the FBI was watching him, but nowhere have we heard what happened to those reports at Walter Reed. I wonder if they still exist?
“...fear of seeming bigoted”
and losing their jobs.
Political correctness has killed 13 more innocent Americans.
mass deportations.
It’s not bigotry to point out that someone is whacky. It’s not bigotry to speak the truth. We’ve got plenty of dysfunction and destruction in our society because people are afraid to be called “bigoted”.
“America will civilize itself out of existence.”
I don’t believe it’s civilized to ignore facts and to act out of fear.
Islam is not a race. We must rid ourselves of this cancer before it is too late.
Obama’s election was a symbolic, and unfortunately it said a lot about the American electorate, media, and government.
I read one article today that quoted a Rand Corp. military employment expert, who said that given the shortage of officers and physicians in the military right now, this guy would pretty much have had to get a DUI or drug conviction (or worse) to not be kept in and promoted.
I haven’t read that the FBI was watching him, just that somebody reported suspicions about him to the FBI. Have you seen any confirmation that they actually undertook any sort of investigation? Some heads really need to roll somewhere.
I suspect Lieberman may also have decided to “just not think about” the Al Gore thing.
Soldiers and other military have been forced into PCism long before the civilian sector.
Sorry, I had to run to the store...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5542704.shtml
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WASHINGTON, Nov. 5, 2009
Sources: Hasan Web Posts Drew FBI Interest
Fort Hood Suspect Came to Attention of Authorities 6 Months Ago Due to Online Discussion of Suicide Bombing
Federal law enforcement officials said the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials said the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was first reported dead, but is now known to be custody following a shooting incident that left least 13 dead and 31 wounded. The officials said they are still trying to confirm that he was the author and an official investigation was not opened.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
whoops
above was an excerpt. More at link.
Thanks!
If the Democrats don't get voted out it won't be the Republicans fault. I'd vote for a card board cutout be fore I'll never vote for a Democrat. Getting rid of this crew has to be the highest priority of every voter in the nation (IMO). At this point grid lock looks pretty good.
The problem is independents who need a reason to go vote. If the the Republicans look and sound like a moderate democrats they will not take the time to vote. Remember McCain. Independents need conservative Reagan type candidates that will give them the inspiration to vote.
I don't accept your premise, while that may be true of many independents I believe many people are nonaligned, until the last election I never registered as a Republican or Democrat, but I voted in every election.
Listen, you pay attention to whats going on. I know that by you being here on this forum. Most people only care about who is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
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