Posted on 11/03/2009 3:37:32 PM PST by Amerisrael
There is still confusion over whether Govenor Palin supports amnesty for illegal aliens.
In this article read at Newsbusters, Palin does support a "pathway to citizenship" for illegal aliens.
But what is not clear is if she supports a pathway to citizenship only "after" they return to their country of origin. And then, get in the back of the line to come to America "legally" for citizenship.
Or, if she supports a pathway to citizenship while illegals are still here. Without first requiring them to return to there country of origin.
Does anyone have an answer to that question?
Excerpt from Newsbusters:
"So, what else is in the Hotair story? Let's take a look:
"Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?"
Palin: "No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules."
"Looks like Governor Palin doesn't support amnesty."
"To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants? "
Palin: "I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...
Palin, the more she says the more I hope she runs in 2012.
There is already a pathway to citizenship, people use it every day.
I don’t see anybody else.
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“”Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?”
Palin: “No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules.”
So... what does she mean by “not total amnesty”? Does she support ‘half-way amnesty’? ‘Semi-total amnesty’? ‘Pay a ten dollar fine amnesty’?
Whatever it is, it doesn’t sound encouraging. It sure doesn’t sound like she’s all that different from the crowd we already have, who have forced de facto amnesty on us by not deporting illegals.
“NO to any plan that allows the lawbreakers to stay in this country illegally while attempting to “document” themselves - return home and ENTER the US the way all the legal immigrants are entering. PERIOD. End of discussion.”
That is my position. What I’m trying to find out is what Palin’s support for a “pathway to citizenship” entails. See the question posed above in the post thread.-Thanks.
As stated, we already have a legal path to citizenship. If she does not take a strong stance against those who are here illegally she has lost my support. Illegal immigration, is the greatest threat to this country. I hate hearing the phrase, “well we can’t just send all 12 million back to where they came from”. How idiotic, these hordes of lawbreakers did not come here all at once. Start by taking away the incentives, ie. welfare, food stamps, education, housing, jobs, etc....
This is one of the areas I want to learn Palin’s views. No nuancing the issue. You are either for or against illegal immigration. This “pathway to citizenship” nonsense is just code for amnesty. The laws are already in place for legal U.S. citizenship. No more laws are required.
Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Palin Tweets on Driver’s Licenses for Illegal Immigrants
By Tim Lindell
Earlier tonight, Governor Palin tweeted the following:
Rep.Lynn’s good HB3 Visa/Drivers Lic law:”If u dont have legal right to walk down AKn street, why should u have right to drive same street?”
(Wish more people would have this view.)
Palin: "I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country."
This is amnesty. Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay is amnesty.
Anyone who entered our country illegally should not be allowed to reenter it. This touchback nonsense is just a scam. Mike Pence tried it.
Ha ha ha. It’s an OLD NEWS way back February 2009.
It’s clear.
You don’t shoot persons, legal and illegals.
You need to background check first. There are reasons why they are here, including those Legal Americans who are HARBORING illegals for “MONEY”.
Surely, you want to know their stories first and learn about the SYNDICATES operating behind.
I see no damaging things here. FOLLOW THE RULES.
Is that NOT enough?
Plus, UNIVISION made it as a GOTCHA question, during that time, Palin was still Governor and undergoing post-election slimes (read: total kill by Dems/MSM.)
Plus, an Alaskan Governor really knows the value of Labor force.
Alaska needs people to tap its resources. Dirty work with good pays ... “dirty” job means that the Legal Lazy Hippies in Lower 48 don’t want to take.
All he has to do is an about face, and follow the path he used to get here. When he gets back to the beginning, he will magically be in a place where he is a citizen.
Easy, huh?
That COULD go either way...either they have to go home first, or they don't.
I'd like to see her CLARIFY.
There are many, many pro-amnesty pols who make pretty much the same statements as Palin on this.
What I’m trying to find out is what Palin’s support for a “pathway to citizenship” entails. See the question posed above in the post thread.-Thanks.
At this stage I don’t think it’s that big of an issue. Until Palin decides she wants to run for another elective office or is appointed to one that this issue has some bearing on then I’m not that concerned with what her thoughts are. At the proper time if she does get into the fray or is proposed for an appointment then yes, hold her high heels to the fire and get and straight answer.
Seems pretty clear to me. Our troops, including her son, don’t fight for unbroken laws. They fight to uphold the laws of the land and our Constitution. That would not include illegal aliens. But she completely understands wanting to come to the greatest country on earth ever given to man by God.
Obama doesn’t get it, but she does.
You hit the nail on the head!
That’s why I posted this. To find out if anyone knows an answer.
This is the same set of pre-election interviews done in 2008. She was trying to parrot McCain as she was his running mate. Every month someone on this site comes up with a reference to these McCain influenced interviews and ignores everything she has said since she has been on her own.
Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to try to make her look bad to the people who support her. I’m thinking RINOs here.
I’m sorry you were so obviously taken advantage of by this. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Not total amnesty
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This needs to be clarified...
And also the “pathway to citizenship” thingy..
Someone needs to ask some different questions...
” I hate hearing the phrase, “well we can’t just send all 12 million back to where they came from”. “
Yet somehow, if 12 million of us decided to refuse to pay our taxes, I’m confident that our rulers would manage to find a way to prosecute all 12 million of us.
There can be no pathway to citizenship for the 12 to 20 million illegals in the US without amnesty.
This talk of doing it legally, and going home and coming back legally is a lot of deceptive nonsense, or a severe display of ignorance. Not saying what Palin means, or doesn’t mean, but...
Nations have immigration quotas and most have far more people applying than will ever be admitted legally. And there are large numbers in line in Mexico and all nations, already far ahead of any illegals who might “get in line”.
Few if any of the illegal aliens would ever become legal by taking a place in line with all those already seeking a legal immigration slot. Saying otherwise is the height of dishonesty or ignorance.
Unless we just gave the home countries of the illegals a one time, big increase in their legal immigration slots, which would be amnesty by any other name.
All this talk of going back and coming legally is nonsense, and could never happen for the overwhelming majority of illegals.
I’m as against amnesty as anyone else - but I say don’t rush her to answer. Give her a chance to REALLY hear the grass roots on this issue - being from Alaska she probably didn’t have to deal with illegals much - and then being with McCain was - a disaster.
We have three years until the next presidential election, and at least a year before we even need to think about our nominee - she will have to answer to us on this issue, and she has to know that. There is no hurry.
But for tonight - let’s see if she can pull off the win in upstate New York for us (after having disposed of the RINO) - and if she does, let’s celebrate BIG TIME, and then come back to this issue a bit later.
What we are trying to find out is Palin’s views, not as McCain’s running mate, but her own exact views. That’s why this was posted. To try to get this question answered.
How about "Leave, and if we don't catch you here again and don't find that you've committed crimes other than your having entered illegally, we won't try to extradite you"? I wouldn't mind that sort of amnesty.
As it is, most "amnesty" programs are more like "If we catch you stealing money, we'll give you some papers so you can keep on taking money." They're not about amnesty--more like indulgences.
The allocations are almost certainly reduced based upon estimates of illegal immigration, are they not? So if illegal immigration were cut to nearly zero, we could let in a lot more legal aliens. How many people are in queue to enter legally? If we kicked out five million illegals and let in five million people from the queue, what effect would that have on the queue?
That's an easy mistake to make. Actually, the announcements for president and primary campaigns will be kicking off in about 15 to 18 months, early 2011. Then the primary debates will be in the Summer and Fall of 2011, less that two years off. Iowa and New Hampshire are just over two years away.
So, all the discussion of issues, and clarifications, will be taking place about 18 months from now, early 2011. We'll know who the nominees will be in about 28 months or so, March or April of 2012.
Anything short of enforcing the law, which is deporting those here illegally, is amnesty.
I’ve watched southern California be transformed from American suburbia into a province of Mexico in all but name. Entire neighborhoods, in fact entire towns, change completely in a remarkably short amount of time. Older Americans leave these neighborhoods for areas where English is still spoken. Young Americans cease moving into these neighborhoods because they turn into alien places with bad schools and gangs.
Mexico wouldn’t tolerate this sort of crap for one minute, and in fact their immigration laws are strictly enforced.
In Mexico, Mexican politicians put Mexico first. In America, American politicians put Mexico first.
I don't think so. The legal and illegal immigration are handled separately, AFAIK. We get many legal immigrants from Mexico and other Latino nations. I believe they have among the highest quotas for legal immigration.
And the crap begins.
Living 20 miles north of the largest and busiest port of entry in the world, San Diego - Tijuana and know first hand about illegals,
I support Sarah Palin all the way.
My first concern is having a candidate who understands we are at war, we would have more attacks such as 9/11 if wern’t taking the fight to the enemy on their grounds.
Sarah is also a major supporter of Israel and had the flag of Israel in her office as Gov.
Many people on FR are in denial when it come to the IslamOfascistsand and their war against America, Israel, and all who arn’t Muslim.
I would like to see every part of the U.S. swept for the over 12 million illegals. That should take thousands of people around a few years or more to do. Am sure the MSM will support this along with the majority in Congress, the Liberals.
Am sure all the businesses will give up their illegals along with those who hire them to clean their homes and do the yard work.
This would be great but we take the focus off the war,
the illegals will be the least of our problems.
There are some on FR supporting Libertarians who are open border, you might want to check in with them and knock off
the PDS
“That’s an easy mistake to make...”
No, what I also said was that we have at least a year before we have to start choosing sides...let’s give her that year, and if she RINOs out on this issue - or refuses to answer, she’s through.
” Dirty work with good pays ... “dirty” job means that the Legal Lazy Hippies in Lower 48 don’t want to take.”
That’s a load of crap. A lot of my neighbors worked in Alaska to build the pipeline, to run provisions, to work on the fishing boats. This “jobs Americans won’t do” is the sort of BS Dubya pushed to try to force amnesty through.
That is the current legal pathway to citizenship. Get it?
Sorry, I didn't read carefully enough. I've seen so many people say we have three years etc., that I probably react too quickly now.
Unfortunately Hoffman apparently takes the Bush/McCain position on immigration.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/014662.html
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I see some of the anti war Liberaltarians on the thread
along with those whose candidates were many days or weeks behind Sarah Palin supporting Hoffman.
Now that this may be a victory you are now trashing Hoffman
also.
My limited experience with the general nature of illegal alien mentality leads me to believe that even if a no-questions-asked blanket amnesty was given, relatively few would even walk across the street to pick up their documents.
It really is just this simple.
“There are some on FR supporting Libertarians who are open border, you might want to check in with them and knock off
the PDS”
Even Milton Friedman understood as a libertarian that the U.S. could not withstand an open border policy because this country is a magnet because it is also a welfare state. We cannot possibly have open borders.
I am glad the border here is more secure than other areas of the U.S. BUT
for some time now including different times this week,
the illegals are coming by boat at least 20+ at a time.
They land at night on one of the many beaches here. They only have to go 10 to 20 miles and unload.
The Coast Guard, etc. are rounding them up but some still get through.
I don’t care who runs the show, as much as I would like to see the over 12 millions illegals rounded up.
This won’t happen. To have tens of thousands of people
going through each state for a few years or more to locate the illegals while more come in, the MSM will turn this into street riots along with the liberals pols.
I have seen over 50,000 Mexicans marching down the street
a few yrs. ago with their Marxist signs and Mexican flags.
In theory is one thing, reality is another.
If it was 20 years ago, it might be somewhat doable.
Not now.
THANK YOU!
And if it was good enough for my grandparents and everyone else ancestors, it oughta be good enough for today's foreiginers.
Go home & "get in line!"
“This is the same set of pre-election interviews done in 2008. She was trying to parrot McCain as she was his running mate. Every month someone on this site comes up with a reference to these McCain influenced interviews and ignores everything she has said since she has been on her own.”
.....”ignores everything she has said since she has been on her own.”
Like what.... the ONE statement about driver’s licences? She said what she said in that interview with Univision..supports amnesty, does not support deportation (the law!) or workplace raids. WHY is she avoiding the subject? Maybe hoping amnesty will pass before she has to state a position? And since then, she’s contributed to the McCain & Graham campaigns, which shows the wrong position.
She needs to get clear on this issue now, not after amnesty passes. She has no problem speaking out on everything else.
Another curious thing about this....many of Palin’s biggest supporters are open border/amnesty GOP faithfuls who INSIST she is NOT for amnesty (with nothing to back them up)who call anyone wanting the law enforced a ‘xenophobe’.
And here is the interview...HER words, not anyone else’s.
PALIN: “. We - our policy - John McCain has been so clear with his policy and it makes a lot of sense too. We secure our borders first. But then with a comprehensive approach we must deal humanely with those who are here, and we must allow the steps to be taken to protect the families of those who are here, maybe as illegal immigrants today.....”
UNIVISION: “Talking about - still with immigration - ICE has arrested and deported almost five thousand undocumented immigrants in the last year, separated many Hispanic families. Would you support stopping these raids until comprehensive immigration reform could be passed in Congress?”
Palin: “Well, the unfortunate thing of course about the raids is that it does affect the families involved here. Parents and children are separated and that’s tragic.” (No, that is by choice of the alien, Sarah - they can take their kids and we pay for it!)
“Univision: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
Sarah Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America.”
Univision: As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
Sarah Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant - there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants - not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2312247/posts
“stfuhunterites”
Real nice key word there, to whoever put it in the list.
This just proves that the Squatter Support Squad of FR is alive and well and supports Sarah because they believe she supports yet another amnesty. This is NOT about Duncan Hunter...we KNOW his views, much to the dismay of the open border crowd and he’s NOT a 2012 hopeful, so stuff it. This is about Sarah Palin, and it’s time for freepers who support amnesty and the invasion of this country turning it into just another 3rd world hell hole to just come out and admit it.
Get used to it, there will be alot of stfu’s coming our way.
“Get used to it, there will be alot of stfu’s coming our way.”
Yes, and there will be millions of people supporting Palin, not knowing what her position on this issue is,as they ‘hope’ she gets it right, just like they blindly supported McCAin and downplayed his pushing amnesty.
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