Gungrabbers Attack Switzerland (Nanny State Nitwittery)

JohnJacobH RKBA Commentary ^ | 10/22/09 | JohnJacobH RKBA Commentary

[Copernicus]

Switzerland did not fall to Hitler or any external invader for the last 500 years.

But the latest assault is the most insidious: the attack of nitwittery from Bolshevik Apparatcheks.

[Copernicus]

Will the Swiss "fight to the last cartridge of their own initiative in the absence of any other" under this assault?

Best regards to all,

[ConservativeDude]

incredible.

i’ve been on a firing range with these Swiss rifles, where I saw them being shot by their Swiss owners. as an American I asked “are these guys ever used in crime?” (naive American question, I know...). They said never....from that point on, I have been using my Swiss experience to show the idiocy of focusing on the gun as a crime problem - when in fact, the more guns we have the safer we are....

[dangus]

Not to hijack this thread, but the first statement is just so egregious I can’t let it slip. Not that it’s relevant, but Switzerland didn’t need to be conquered by Germany.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Why did the Germans draw up plans to invade Switzerland then?

[TLI]

more than 300 people a year are killed military rifles, the majority of them suicides (but blame the gun, right?). Recently efforts for more regulation have been picking up. And a certain faction of people want military rifles stored in army barracks, rather than peoples cellars.

A certain fraction? Like two or perhaps five? Out of an entire nation? And what happens when the "barracks" are left unguarded? How about having access 27-7? How to do that?

Of course, these questions are not addressed in the "legitimate" discussion of the issue. They will not be addressed as they are actually the key to unlock the door to disarming the people.

And EVERYONE knows where that road leads...

[Still Thinking]

I don’t know if it’s a myth or not (has a kind of mythy feel to it), but supposedly when the German delegation was selling some sort of treaty or compact with the Swiss (in which of course the Germans would come out on top), they reminded the Swiss that the German army alone was twice as big as the entire Swiss population. The Swiss reply? “We may each have to shoot twice.”

[Cheburashka]

Switzerland did not fall to Hitler or any external invader for the last 500 years.

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It’s pathetic how people open their yam mashers and prove they know nothing about history. Switzerland fell to the French Revolutionaries in 1798. Austrian and Russian armies were sent to Switzerland to support the Swiss in their resistance to the French invaders. After the Austrians and Russians were defeated by the French revolutionaries and Napoleon and forced out of Germany, Switzerland became a Napoleonic puppet state, it wound up sending Swiss troops along in the invasion of Russia. Switzerland only regained its freedom when Napoleon was defeated in 1814.

[Copernicus]

Easy there Pilgrim, we are all good card carrying members of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy here.

If you wish to educate the blogger I am sure his comments section can be used to correct the record.

As for me, I am confused. Do you refer to the Helvetic Republic? That would hardly qualify as a successful conquest. It was more of a tortuous occupation for five years.

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

The new regime, known as the Helvetic Republic, was highly unpopular. It had been imposed by a foreign invading army and destroyed centuries of tradition, making Switzerland nothing more than a French satellite state. The fierce French suppression of the Nidwalden Revolt in September of 1798 was an example of the oppressive presence of the French Army and the local population's resistance to the occupation.

When war broke out between France and its rivals, Russian and Austrian forces invaded Switzerland. The Swiss refused to fight alongside the French in the name of the Helvetic Republic. In 1803 Napoleon organised a meeting of the leading Swiss politicians from both sides in Paris. The result was the Act of Mediation which largely restored Swiss autonomy and introduced a Confederation of 19 cantons.[18] Henceforth much of Swiss politics would concern balancing the cantons' tradition of self-rule with the need for a central government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic

In Swiss history, the Helvetic Republic (1798–1803) represented an early attempt to impose a central authority over Switzerland, which until then consisted mainly of self-governing cantons united by a loose military alliance, and conquered territories such as Vaud. Its name came from the Helvetii people.

A constitutional arrangement imposed by French military might, the Republic existed as a state for only five years but failed to achieve widespread popular support among its citizens

The occupying forces established a centralised state based on the ideas of the French Revolution.

Many Swiss citizens resisted these "progressive" ideas, particularly in the central areas of the country. Some of the more controversial aspects of the new regime limited freedom of worship, which outraged many of the more devout citizens.

In response, the Cantons of Uri, Schwyz and Nidwalden raised an army of about 10,000 men led by Alois von Reding to fight the French. This army was deployed along the defensive line from Napf to Rapperswil. Reding besieged French-controlled Lucerne and marched across the Brünig pass into the Berner Oberland to support the armies of Berne. At the same time, the French General Balthasar Alexis Henri Antoine of Schauenburg marched out of occupied Zürich to attack Zug, Lucerne and the Sattel pass. Even though Reding's army won victories at Rothenthurm and Morgarten, Schauenburg's victory near Sattel allowed him to threaten the town of Schwyz. On 4 May 1798, the town council of Schwyz surrendered.[1]

On the 13th May, Reding and Schauenburg agreed to a cease-fire, the terms of which included the rebel cantons merging into a single one, thus limiting their effectiveness in the central government. However, the French failed to keep their promises in respecting religious matters and before the year was out there was another uprising in Nidwalden which the authorities crushed, with towns and villages burnt down by French troops.

No general agreement existed about the future of Switzerland. Leading groups split into the Unitaires, who wanted a united republic, and the Federalists, who represented the old aristocracy and demanded a return to cantonal sovereignty. Coup-attempts became frequent, and the new régime had to rely on the French to survive. Furthermore, the occupying forces insisted that the accommodation and feeding of the soldiers be paid for by the local populace which drained the economy. The treaty of alliance with France also broke the tradition of neutrality established by the Confederation. All this made it difficult to establish a new working state.

In 1799, Switzerland became a virtual battle-zone between the French, Austrian and Imperial Russian armies, with the locals supporting mainly the latter two, rejecting calls to fight with the French armies in the name of the Helvetic Republic.

Instability in the Republic reached its peak in 1802–03 — including the Stecklikrieg civil war of 1802. Together with local resistance, financial problems caused the Helvetic Republic to collapse, and its government took refuge in Lausanne.

At that time Napoleon Bonaparte, then First Consul of France, summoned representatives of both sides to Paris in order to negotiate a solution. Although the Federalist representatives formed a minority at the conciliation conference — known as the "Helvetic Consulta" — Bonaparte characterised Switzerland as federal "by nature" and considered it unwise to force the country into any other constitutional framework.

On February 19, 1803, the Act of Mediation restored the cantons. With the abolition of the centralized state, Switzerland became a confederation once again.

Best regards,