Posted on 10/18/2009 12:42:55 PM PDT by Danae
In the days since I first started publishing on the issues surrounding Natural Born Citizenship and why it matters with regards to Barack Obama, I have been asked a great many questions regarding why it matters at all. Why the Founding Fathers would bother with a distinction that only ever matters for one governmental position in the world, the President of the United States?
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Why didn’t McCain USE that weapon against Obama? He knew about it as much as the DNC did.
The answer is simple. He couldn’t.
He isn’t a Natural Born Citizen either.
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The Founders were very well aware of this; issues of Citizenship were pretty high on everyone’s list at that time because of the turmoil that was afoot in the world. There were wars on a number of continents, soldiers of differing countries all over the place. And men and women are well men and women, kids happen. It mattered a lot what ties those kids had and where to.
It still does, the only difference is the fact that most people are unaware of it, and frankly don’t give a darn. They just want to live their lives and trust that Government is a fundamentally good thing and out to protect them and their families and futures. Well what happens when that Non-NBC American becomes President? He isn’t bound by the constitution because he is already breaking it.
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I give a darn. If it's legal and it will rid us of Obozo, I give a very big darn.
You and me both.
Big enough that I am putting my neck on the line to write these articles. Or at least my reputation, for what ever thats worth.
Excellent! Lets get a tribesman from africa one who know about living off the UN social security, who knows nothing about MAerican culture and history to run the country into the ground. Heck! Better yet,we can even get one of their more prominent and respected, one with “ruling” experience.... Mugabe!
But there is still no argument whatsoever that McCain's father and mother were both U.S. citizens and that McCain was born while his father was on active duty serving his country.
This makes the location of McCain's birth a mere technicality. The law would make him a natural born U.S. Citizen anyway because both parents were U.S. Citizens and registered his birth within the allowed time frame after he was born.
Likewise, my daughter born in Japan is a natural born U.S. Citizen because we, her parents, both went to the embassy in Tokyo within the required timeframe to (1)prove our U.S. Citizenship (passports),(2)our marriage (marriage certificate), (3)her live birth (Japanese birth certificate) and (4)present her in person with a matching photo on a U.S. Passport application.
All of these things produce records and a paper trail, not unlike the process which was available to Obama's parents when he was born in the 1960's. And, yet, my daughter can produce all of the aforementioned documents and Obama can or will produce none of them save for an abbreviated certificate of live birth (web edition) from the State of Hawaii which may or may not be genuine.
The law...The Constitution...You know...no big deal...
I care also. what bothers me also is how many of our fellow FReepers, including some who have been here a hell of a lot longer than I, have fallen for the state controlled media’s talking points on this. they are being fooled into thinking that this not an issue when it darn well is. even if the birth cert. thing goes limp we still have alerted a lot of Americans to the fact his ENTIRE past has been covered up. now what is wrong with that? nothing of course. so why are some FReepers following along with the SCM’s line on this, sounding EXACTLY like what is said about the birth cert. issue etc. by democRATS? hold your nose and cruise thru the DUmp and you will see ‘RAT posts that mirror exactly what some FReepers say about the BC issue, ie; we are dumb, stupid, nuts, crazy for wanting our constitution upheld! etc. I don’t get it....
Why didn’t McCain USE that weapon against Obama?
Why didn’t McCain use anything against Obama?
first, thank you Dianna for stepping up and publicly taking a stand for what’s right. i believe a majority of freepers would do the same, given the chance. people of integrity normally would.
as for why it’s important... it’s as simple as pointing out that it was of high import to the founders. so much so, that they made it the second article.
if we can start to disregard random parts of the Constitution, which ALL our law is based on... then what goes next? (personally... i’m for dropping amendment 16 and defunding the bastards)
it is funny when you look back... it’s as if mccain just gave him a pass, and only Sarah fought (and she was reprimanded for it by mccain’s group)
How many times....You need two US Citizen Parents, and be born on US soil to be a Natural Born Citizen. McCain didn’t and neither does your Daughter.
Explains very nicely why having 2 American citizen parents is important in this situation.
(Would this also disqualify Jindal? His folks weren’t citizens yet when he was born, as I recollect, even tho he was born here.)
Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of fear about what would happen if we were to actually confront this issue. There would be blood as a result.
Slavery was a very similar situation in the respect that no one had the courage to confront it head on. Instead they let it fester and in the end it became a trip wire that led to a civil war.
“Does the “natural born” requirement eliminate anyone born by C-section?” question from another site!
Another on-target article. Excellent read.
I wish some newspapers and others would republish your work to a wider audience.
The Examiner article is datelined Las Vegas. Can you send your work to the Editor of the R-J or Sun for example, D? Sorry, I don’t know how the publishing business works.
No, but this issue has attracted the usual cadre of screwballs, making claims, big announcements that all amount to nothing. These idiots cast a negative pall on everyone else interested in this issue.
Until there is something solid, we are barking at the moon because Obama is in office right now and his agenda must be stopped first.
Should Obama have to prove his status? Should the DNC have to assist? Should Republicans make more of an issue on this?
Yes to all these, however, they are not going to happen. Therefore, stay focused, look for real evidence, and stay quiet while we battle on the agenda front.
If it is true that Obama is not a NBC, then it will come out some day. In fact, it will come out faster if there is not a major circus being made about it and real investigators are allowed to work without drawing attention to themselves.
I am also shocked at the lack of interest and pursuit in this.....I believe Obama is not a natural born citizen.
Gee. You mean it’ll come out faster if no-one mentions it? Well why didn’t I think of that before. Stroke of genius!!!
With a non-binding Senate Resolution? Are you serious? How does that affirm anything?
Maybe McCain was just made to “stand in” while The Wave of Obama Spread over the country? And Sarah considered it a real election?
This is YOUR OPINION, not settled law.
The fact remains that there has not been a case before the SCOTUS to determine if jus sanguinis alone is sufficient or if jus soli is also required for one to be a NBC.
McCain didn’t run for the presidency, he merely “stood for election” in the 19th century sense of the term. He could have run his ‘campaign’ from his front porch in Arizona & been as effective — which is to say, not much.
Instead of being a smart alec, consider this:
The people investigating this have very limited power and ability versus Obama who has near limitless power and ability to obfuscate, delay, etc.
An investigator who can work behind the scenes will get a great deal more accomplished than one trying to score some points with the media.
I've been around long enough to know that this public posturing on the issue is ineffective beyone a certain point. We have gone beyond that point and it is time to switch tactics.
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you raise some valid points I believe but I believe we can take him on on this AND go after his agenda. we can do both at the same time. like I said, with each passing day of the BC issue being put out there, the fact his entire past is covered up is also being mentioned again and again and again. one heck of a lot of ‘on the fence’ American voters who were not doing their homework, not paying attention prior to the election, maybe younger voters fooled by his speeches and oratory, (neither worth a damn imo. by the way), ‘abilities’ now see just what kind of man was elected. how can that be bad? it is not just the BC thing going on here even tho it is in the forefront, but all of his hidden past dealings being discussed to. we can go after his agenda and this together without any problem. how can that be bad?
my biggest problem is with the sealed records...why would he do that?
only Sarah fought (and she was reprimanded for it by mccain’s group)
You’re right. Palin’s performance puts on the top of the list for now.
I agree that the coverup is, as always, worse than the actual fact.
Making an issue of his sealed past is an excellent way to hit the BC issue without stating it.
You hit that on the head. He could have phoned in his campaign.
Thats what you get when the party picks a man whose only skill is double crossing the party.
It’s not just a technicality.
Otherwise you end up in the subjective realm of... ok , how long can a kid live overseas before having ties to the soil he was born on? What majority of a persona early life has to be lived in a given area before becoming bonded to that area. It is far easier to make the distinction at birth and have it stand. Citizenship is decided at BIRTH legally. No other time. That is the instant where it is decided, and that technicality matters.
Also, your daughter, unless she was born on a US Military base, would not be a Natural Born Citizen. A citizen yes, but Natural Born, I am afraid not. I am not pointing this out to make you wrong or to in any denigrate you or your daughter. In order for her to have definitive US Citizenship status at the laws of the time she was born, likely you did have to do all that to secure her US passport and any other documents you needed at the time. I don’t know when she was born, so I can’t say specifically.
What I have been researching are the laws at the time of Obama’s birth. Which at that time, would mean that both he, and your daughter (if she were born in 61) mean that they are not Natural Born Citizens. You must have two parents who are citizens and be born on the soil of the country or its territory.
Yes, it absolutely does effect Jindal. If his parents were not Naturalized citizens at the time of his birth, he is not a Natural Born Citizen.
Yep, 20/20 hindsight. SO many wondered what the heck was up. Now we know. McCain didn’t open up the whole can of Whompass because he was just as compromised as Obama and for the same reason.
You are welcome!
I hope that it makes some positive difference in the end when it is all said and done.
Thanks for saying this--we need to keep remembering there is that "bright line" of natural born POTUS citizenship that's meant to act to protect us.
I hate to answer this tremendously important issue with a cliche... but it really is true. Freedom isn’t free. It is bought and paid for in blood.
LMAO. No having been born by C-section is irrelevant in citizenship issues.... LOL But its funny anyway LOL
Datelined Las Vegas?
Hua wha? Ok thats a new one to me. All I know is that I publish there, if someone wanted to republish it, technically because I own my own copyright to the material, they would have to contact me. No one has so far. I know that it has appeared on other blogs, and is getting mentioned. I am compl;etely fine with that. I am not writing to make a profit. I am writing because I feel that these things need to be said, and need to be discussed. Someone has to start the conversation, and if I can do that, if I can help put this into the main stream consciousness, then I am not gonna twiddle about copyright. The subject matter is frankly too serious.
If other Media want to pick up on it, then I hope by all means they do so. I hope I get some credit in the process, certainly I give credit to my sources. But even at that, The matter is more important than the messenger.
So you to reckon the US Justice system doesn’t work? It is an eye-opener how corrupt the US legal system appears to be. Bent Judges, bent Lawyers, bent Reporters, bent Congress, bent President, bent Police. Where can one find any honesty?
There has been no SCOTUS case on that issue specifically. The SCOTUS has mentioned in decisions the matter, and makes the clear distinction that there is a difference between Citizen and Natural Born Citizens and says what they are.
Thats why if it goes to SCOTUS, they would have to overthrow previous decisions in part of whole to decide that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. Something they don’t traditionally like to do.
Exactly. It didn’t do anything but waste time and paper. Totally 100% meaningless.
To keep people thinking that he is hiding something.
The real issue has been public for years. His Father is British.
Instead of looking at what is on the table, people are trying to figure out what he has behind his back. The important thing is RIGHT ON THE TABLE and always has been. This is classic Smoke and Mirrors. Obama and his buddies are masters at it.
Lets have a Judge decide it then.
Nor can any act of congress make a person a Natural Born Citizen. They cannot change the circumstances of a persons birth. Congress is more than just a little irrelevant here.
For someone who has totally ruined a country in most every aspect, he is doing pretty well at hanging on to power - so far!
-PJ
From a legal standpoint, yes. But wasting time and paper doesn't seem unique to the Senate.
LOL True that. Its their JOB.
/sigh
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