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2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability
Fits News ^ | October 6, 2009 | Mande Wilkes

Posted on 10/17/2009 2:28:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Whether or not anyone prefers to acknowledge it, Mitt Romney is already the default, de facto Republican presidential nominee in 2012 – and, too, he is already the clear loser.

Health care, singularly, will guarantee Barack Obama a second term – even if he never actually achieves meaningful “reform,” or even if he manages reform but it ends up becoming a festering, hemorrhaging mess … like anything the government runs.

Sure, the health care issue appears to be a political landmine for Obama right now, but he just can’t lose for winning, and there’s no area in which that rings more true than health care reform.

Pitted against Romney (as ultimately will happen, because who else is there, really?), Obama will come out looking every bit the better man for the job.

You see, Romney and health care … he’s been there, he’s done that.

As governor of Massachusetts, Romney socialized the state’s health care system, insuring nearly every resident by forcing people to choose between purchasing coverage or paying a penalty for non-compliance. (Yes, Romney’s a Republican; yes, he’s a business wizard; no, those traits don’t at all jive with his stateside socialization of a major private sector).

The success of Romney’s health care reform has, on balance, been lukewarm.

It’s been bad for business start-ups and expansions, but pretty good for people (well, not entrepreneurial people, but still …)

There is, naturally, a funding problem for Massachusett’s program, the solution for which would surely be increased corporate taxation, except that, um, that well has too run dry at the hands of Romney’s grand plan.

So when you think about it, Romneycare really isn’t a success at all.

Anyway, the relative merits of Romney’s reform are not really the point. Even an entirely successful – fully-funded, business-friendly, quality-controlled, patient-primary – result would still leave Romney in the lurches come 2012.

Romney’s problem is, more to the point, that he’ll be running as a Democrat in disguise against a Democrat demagogue.

If there is to be one issue to set apart Republican from Democrat, it has to be health care. It’s one thing for a Republican politician to triangulate on the issue of health care reform – to mildly oppose it, then to begrudgingly admit its merits – but it’s a whole ‘nother thing for a Republican to endorse, initiate, and institute a socialized system of health coverage.

In 2012, two Democrats will be vying for the presidency, and one of those Democrats is Barack Obama. He just can’t lose.


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Let's hope none of this comes to pass...
1 posted on 10/17/2009 2:28:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
as ultimately will happen, because who else is there, really?

If we pretend she doesn't exist, maybe people will forget about her and choose Slick Willard instead! Yeah, that's the ticket...

2 posted on 10/17/2009 2:31:39 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am surprised that Romney continues to defend MAs failed healthcare plan.


3 posted on 10/17/2009 2:32:43 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mande, what a good wife you would be, but my life, my love and my lady is the sea.”


4 posted on 10/17/2009 2:33:29 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability"

Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man.

5 posted on 10/17/2009 2:33:52 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone who pretends to know what will happen politically in 2012 is a fool.

Too soon to predict; way too many variables.


6 posted on 10/17/2009 2:35:16 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Pray for our leaders: Rush, Levin, and Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain, Romney, RINO’s all.


7 posted on 10/17/2009 2:35:57 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Whether or not anyone prefers to acknowledge it, Mitt Romney is already the default, de facto Republican presidential nominee”

That’s a good one...this guy got anymore? Mitt...hahahahahahahaha...good one...


8 posted on 10/17/2009 2:36:00 PM PDT by jessduntno (Tell Obama to STFU - Stop The Federal Usurpation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

About the Author

Name: Mande Wilkes

Web Site: Link

Bio: Former runway model and law school grad who lives in Myrtle Beach, Mande has earned our undying admiration not only for her wicked verbage, but because she spells her name minus the obligatory redneck. Mande graduated from the College of Charleston with a B.S. in Psychology, and is a recent graduate of the Charleston School of Law. Also recently, she failed the Bar Exam, sparking widespread rumors that she lost an offer to clerk for some prestigious judge. Mande’s punditry covers law and politics.


9 posted on 10/17/2009 2:36:05 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

So we should listen to her why? Cuz she says it?


10 posted on 10/17/2009 2:38:36 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Pray for our leaders: Rush, Levin, and Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we’re going to lose anyway, let’s just throw the “Hail Sarah” pass and see what happens!

Oh that’s right. If we run Romney and lose, we’ll be respected by the Left for bravely facing History and surrendering gracefully (like the French!!). But if we run Palin, we’ll lose the respect of the Left and their media lapdogs for dragging some hick out of a tree-stand and throwing some shoes on her to run against The One.

That’s the kind of underdog story that real Americans just love!


11 posted on 10/17/2009 2:40:20 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Brilliant

I’m not.


12 posted on 10/17/2009 2:41:55 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
If we pretend she doesn't exist, maybe people will forget about her and choose Slick Willard instead! Yeah, that's the ticket...

Click pic for SarahPac

13 posted on 10/17/2009 2:41:58 PM PDT by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let's hope none of this comes to pass...

Who cares any more?

Seriously however, who cares any more?

Obviously, in a free society we get what we deserve.

Guess what, we got what we deserved.

Life's a b!tch, ya' marry one, and then ya' die.

14 posted on 10/17/2009 2:42:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney is RomneyCare. Not on anything would I even pretend to support him. I’d definitely have to go 3rd party should a RINO get the nomination. It would mean the GOP still hadn’t learned anything.


15 posted on 10/17/2009 2:42:57 PM PDT by GeronL (They Made It Happen On Purpose Economically. MIHOPE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's the economy stupid"

anyone remember that?

16 posted on 10/17/2009 2:43:31 PM PDT by GeronL (They Made It Happen On Purpose Economically. MIHOPE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What? So we’re just skipping over the primaries now? LOL!


17 posted on 10/17/2009 2:43:33 PM PDT by nomoremods
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To: I am Richard Brandon

The falacy in your argument is that there won’t be two dems running in the 2012 election. If it’s Romney it will be a democrat and a communist. If it’s Palin it will be a conservative Republican. Remember the name Palin!!! The manner in which she’s being attacked is indicative of the fear they have of her ability to knock them off.


18 posted on 10/17/2009 2:43:43 PM PDT by bramps
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To: I am Richard Brandon

loser RINO’s all


19 posted on 10/17/2009 2:44:23 PM PDT by GeronL (They Made It Happen On Purpose Economically. MIHOPE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mitch Daniels , Governor of Indiana, looked pretty good on TV last week up against Granholm last Sunday. Anybody know where he is on right-left spectrum? Hopefully not another Lugar.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 2:44:38 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: samtheman

A former runway model with a BS degree. Yep. Ooh, and she spells her name with an ‘e’ instead of a ‘y’. Sistah, please. You probably think Mitt is cute and you want the cute guy to win. While Sarah, after 5 kids, could probably out walk you on the catwalk AND run the country. Meeghan McCain lite.


21 posted on 10/17/2009 2:45:26 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s the defacto choice of godless, conscience-less RINOs. But just as in the case of that flaming RINO Crist in Florida, a storm is coming. And no amount of wishful thinking by their friends in the media is going to help these RINOs win.


22 posted on 10/17/2009 2:45:37 PM PDT by Waryone (II Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While I agree that Romney is a dead duck, it isn’t because of health care. A clear majority reject health care reform because it isn’t reform it is a take over and has nothing to do with health care. It is a loser for Bozo and his crew.


23 posted on 10/17/2009 2:46:08 PM PDT by calex59
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt Romney is already the default, de facto Republican presidential nominee liberal gay MSM media pick in 2012.

Republicans won't nominate Romney. He got all the support he was going to get last time.

24 posted on 10/17/2009 2:46:18 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Bryanw92

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjOi_3H7gw


25 posted on 10/17/2009 2:46:21 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The grounds for the decision in 2012 have yet to come to pass.

Every bit as bad as people think things are now the reality of 2011 will make 2009 look like the gilded age, and I fear we will look back at even Carter as being pretty good by comparison.

In that climate people will stop looking for a bright shiny object, the latest fad or an American idol. Looks and presentation will matter much less than performance.

They will look for a proven track record of recovery and fiscal solutions.

There is one out there...

26 posted on 10/17/2009 2:46:44 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stick Romney where the sun doesn’t shine!!!

Why do you people keep pushing that socialist pile of dung!!!!


27 posted on 10/17/2009 2:47:25 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: I am Richard Brandon

“Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man.”

All garbage!


28 posted on 10/17/2009 2:49:23 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney could beat McLame. He’s toast.


29 posted on 10/17/2009 2:51:49 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: gusopol3

Indianans can best answer, but from what I know, Mitch seems like a pretty smart guy who seems like he’d be to Lugar’s right. Lugar is such a wuss, and he’s been around way too long. But Daniels once worked for George W Bush, so there’s bound to be sour grapes against him for that, alone...


30 posted on 10/17/2009 2:52:37 PM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: dalereed
"Why do you people keep pushing that socialist pile of dung!!!!"

I'm sure you mean the author. My tagline tells the story on who I'm "pushing" for 2012.

31 posted on 10/17/2009 2:54:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Great comment from the article: "Romney’s problem is, more to the point, that he’ll be running as a Democrat in disguise against a Democrat demagogue.
32 posted on 10/17/2009 2:54:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with ACORN's help.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the whole series of Zero dollar bills, go here:

"Flickr Archive of Zero Bills"

33 posted on 10/17/2009 2:56:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: txrangerette

Thanks; I do also recall now that he was CEo for Eli Lilly some time ago, so I’d guess that counts against him anywhere but Indiana.


34 posted on 10/17/2009 2:58:20 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: All

Romney needs to take a chill pill, sit down and feast on some of that food stored up in his walls. (For those in Rio Linda, some Mormons practice the storing of food in their walls, why, I have no idea.)


35 posted on 10/17/2009 2:58:32 PM PDT by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If we’re going to lose anyway, let’s just throw the “Hail Sarah” pass and see what happens!”

Exactly, let’s go on principle next time, solid, unassailable, conservative principle. We saw last timw what happens when we nominate someone who the media “approves” of. Time to drive the liberals bonkers.

Palin 2012


36 posted on 10/17/2009 2:59:50 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: toddausauras

Absolutely. As it is, nobody else excites anyone.


37 posted on 10/17/2009 3:05:01 PM PDT by Rocko ("Too much of nothing can make a man a liar" -- Bob Dylan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So are they saying we may as well stay home? Its not like Willard will win or anything.


38 posted on 10/17/2009 3:07:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ROMNEY - Corrupt like the others

"Top 20 Recipients of AIG Contributions in 2008"

39 posted on 10/17/2009 3:09:29 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The ‘Republican’ party is gonna do whatever THEY want to do.

They’ll give us ANOTHER Rino like Romney. We need to show them torches and pitchforks! We need to let THEM know we will NOT accept another schlub that THEY wanna hand us!


40 posted on 10/17/2009 3:10:28 PM PDT by J40000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a steaming pile of cr@p. MittCare Romney’s socialist health care program makes his nomination impossible.


41 posted on 10/17/2009 3:12:03 PM PDT by piytar (This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
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To: piytar
We'll need a huge bucket!

42 posted on 10/17/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
REPOST

"2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability"

Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man. /sarc but they all meant well!

43 posted on 10/17/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
RomneyCARE has ... problems.

“The former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, warns today on the effect ObamaCare
will have on our economy and health care. …This bill will lead to a huge middle class tax increase:
The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office
(CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much
faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues.“


”When Barack Obama ran for president, he promised that his health care plan would
"lower health-care costs by $2,500 for the typical family." Now, it turns out that new
legislation that he supports creating public-private "co-operatives" will increase the costs
of family health insurance by $4,000 by 2019.”


”Robert Reich Reveals Brutal Health Care Truths; MSM Snores
"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that
technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you
maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let
you die."


”PriceWaterhouseCoopers concluded that the cost of health insurance for the average
family will rise by $4,000 by 2019, as compared with doing nothing:”


“DEATH PANELS OPEN FOR BUSINESS IN MASSACHUSETTS”


“President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the
possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.”


“Customers will pay big for health fix: insurers”


“A major new report confirms the worst fears of many: Health care reform will raise the
costs for most Americans—by about 18% on average. That is on top of existing inflation of health coverage.”


“You can’t reap these savings without limiting patients’ choices in some way," said Paul Levy, CEO of Beth Israel Deaconess.”


“State plan may place limits on patients’ hospital options( Mass. RomneyCare )”


"Romney Visits Nebraska, Talks Health Care [where he defends Romneycare] “


“The WSJ Guide to ObamaCare. A comprehensive collection of our editorials. "


"Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts [Romneycare]
Massachusetts requires every resident to have health insurance, and this
year, without informing us directly, the state had changed the rules in a way that made
our bare-bones policy no longer acceptable. Unless we ponied up for a pricier policy we
neither need nor want—or enrolled in a government-sponsored insurance plan—we
would have to pay $1,000 each year to the state.
How did we become outlaws? “


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
It was only a matter of time.
They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so. “


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


Health care in Massachusetts: a warning for America [Romney brings Mass. to its knees]
The Bay State's mandatory insurance law is raising costs, limiting access, and lowering care.

Three years ago, Massachusetts adopted a plan requiring all residents to purchase health
insurance, with state subsidies for lower-income residents. But rather than creating a
utopia of high-quality affordable healthcare, the result has been the exact opposite –
skyrocketing costs, worsened access, and lower quality care."


"‘Severe’ doc shortage seen hiking wait time
“The shortage is getting more severe”"


“Health costs to rise again.( RomneyCare )
The state’s major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year,
prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.”


“Woman bleeds to death after doctor punctures jugular - and no blood is available(UK) "


“Canadian Aboriginals receive body bags for flu

Health officials ordered an investigation Thursday into why the Canadian government
sent body bags to an Aboriginal reserve in Manitoba after community leaders requested
assistance to deal with an expected outbreak of swine flu. “


“45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under
consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting
down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby
— the powerful American Medical Association “


“Nation’s ill-advised to follow Mass. plan [Health plan a failure]
September 17, 2009 The canary is dead.
Massachusetts, the model for the ObamaCare universal insurance plan, is the canary in
the health care coal mine. Yesterday, its obit appeared on the front page of both The Wall
Street Journal and The Boston Globe-Democrat “


"Patient with ulcer collapses and dies after paramedics tell her: 'Stop being a drama queen'"


"Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life"


"British Death Panel IBD Editorials September 10, 2009
Single Payer: In Britain, where the public option is about all most patients get,
a newborn has died because national guidelines recommend that the baby not be treated."


"Obama health care plan projected to cost 5.2 million jobs
In addition wages would be “stunted” for another 10.2 million wage earners."


"Is This The Obamacare Future? Overworked Doctors in Australia Worried They Are Killing Patients
there are long waiting lists for orthopedic surgery (median wait for total hip replacement is 88 days;
10% of patients waited over 345 days in 1999 to 2000), and cataract surgery (median is 73 days; 10% waited more than 316 days)."


"Bay State Insurance Premiums Highest in Country - Boston Globe August 22, 2009
Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country,
according to a new analysis that highlights the state’s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs
40 percent higher than in 2003. Over the same period, premiums nationwide rose an average of 33 percent..."


"Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets"


"Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care
PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care
were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead
"[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"

"Sentenced to death on the NHS ….
they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.


"Massachusetts: the laboratory for ObamaCare“


"Obama Health-Care Would Drive Up Inflation and Health-Care Costs
ObamaCare would shrink the economy, drive up health-care costs and inflation,
and increase the deficit,
Overall, total federal expenditures will be 5.6 percent higher than otherwise by 2019, adding $285.6 billion to the federal deficit in 2019”


"Pushing Veterans Toward the Grave”


"NHS blunders allowed cannibal Peter Bryan to kill two”


"Massachusetts' Obama-like reforms increase health costs, wait times [RomneyCare]
Premiums are growing 21 to 46 percent faster than the national average"


"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the state’s marquee universal health care program afloat financially.


"1,000 cancer patients 'refused treatment'"


"Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent...”


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"


"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis,
They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
… fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."
"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state.“


"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"


"Romney’s mistreatments a sick man, as Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient"



"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments"


"Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK)"


"Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself."


"Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK) "


"Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK)."

44 posted on 10/17/2009 3:40:09 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I chuckled at this ole bean. No way in h@ll. This guy is smoking some.


45 posted on 10/17/2009 3:40:51 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Bryanw92
...we’ll be respected by the Left...
46 posted on 10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man.
john mccain- goodman??
not close to being true, just not as bad as the typical rat.


47 posted on 10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Anyone who pretends to know what will happen politically in 2012 is a fool.

Too soon to predict; way too many variables.

the outcome of any war is never predetermined, but must be fought.
Point well made.


48 posted on 10/17/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by genghis
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To: EGPWS
After watching the Underdog link you posted, I had forgotten how much John McCain looks like Simon Bar Sinister.



Mande Wilkes, former runway model she may be, has that burnt out, Mrs. James Carville look about her.


49 posted on 10/17/2009 3:52:39 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: dalereed

Bob Dole is not garbage. The man has bled for this country more than enough to deserve our respect if not our vote. Ditto’s for McCain. Mitt has accomplished far more than most of us ever will but he is not the person to lead this nation. I believe one maybe two of our ladies will tackle PFL BO in 2012.


50 posted on 10/17/2009 4:02:15 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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