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Guira's source was Maya. Neither the reporter nor Maya have ever retracted the article. Maya, who worked on Obama's Presidential campaign in 2008 had AMPLE opportunity to correct this story if it were a mistake.
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Posted on 09/26/2009 5:49:00 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
I know it to be common knowledge that Maya Soetoro, Obama’s half-sister, once stated that Barack was born in Queen's Medical Center, Honolulu, Hawaii. But recently I have been debating this point with a fellow blogger at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution under at article by Jay Bookman, entitled: Birthers aren’t conservative, they’re just nutty, who maintains that, in fact, Maya Soetoro didn't actual say that. It was actually written by a student, Bennett Guira, who wrote it as part of his Obama bio assay, and the quote was later picked up and erronisously attributed to Maya Soetoro. The source she quotes can be found by clicking here.
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davidfarrar
Doe4sn’t matter where he was born . His father was Kenyan and that means he is not a natural born citizen of the USA .
Yes, I understand, and thank you for your comment. But it is important to correct the record when necessary, least we be considered “nutters”, which, of course, we are not.
Don’t you agree?
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davidfarrar
10-4 !
-PJ
Here is one source:
The
Rainbow Edition News Letter, published by the
Education Laboratory School, produced in its
November 2004 Edition an article from an interview
with Obama and his half-sister, Maya Soetoro, in
which the publication reports that Obama was born
August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in
Honolulu, Hawaii. Four years later, in a February
2008 interview with the Hawaiian newspaper Star
Bulletin, Maya Soetoro states that her half-brother,
Obama, was born August 4, 1961, this time in
Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/103008US%20Supreme%20Court%20Writ%20of%20Certiorari.pdf
Michael Medved claims two Honolulu papers had birth notices for Barry.
Classic.
Here is proof that Maya did say that:
The Rainbow Edition November 2004 Education Labaratory School.
“Barack Obama was born on August 4,
1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in
Honolulu, Hawaii.”
http://obamacrimes.com/103008Exhibit%20Charter%20Schools%20Rainbow%20Edition%20Newsletter.pdf
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Guira's source was Maya. Neither the reporter nor Maya have ever retracted the article. Maya, who worked on Obama's Presidential campaign in 2008 had AMPLE opportunity to correct this story if it were a mistake.
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I'm still waiting for a BELIEVABLE explanation as to why there are THREE versions of the same letter, all with different tabbing, line-lengths and spacing:
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Yes, but as far as I know, neither mentioned the hospital.
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davidfarrar
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What fascinates me about this issue of Obama's birth hospital in Hawaii is this:
As far as I know, not a single Hawaii hospital has come out officially and declared that it is the birthplace of one President Obama of the United States. Nothing. nada.
I find that strange.
1. So I suggest this: Skilled investigative reporters---and politicians who believe that Obama is hiding his past on purpose---should put tremendous pressure on Hawaii's Queen's hospital to officially come out with a statement that Obama was born there or not born there.
2. Obviously, Obama could not have been born in two or more Hawaii hospitals at the same time.
3. So I don't see why the Hawaii hospitals where Obama was NOT born could not make a public official statement that Obama was not born there.
4. Such an action by the non-Obama birthplace Hawaii hospital would certainly put a lot of pressure on Obama's Hawaii birth hospital, if there is one, to finally come out and say that Obama was indeed born there.
5. So, again, I say we begin with Hawaii Queen's hospital and put a lot of pressure on Queen's hospital to publicly officially state whether or not Obama was born there.
Has anyone bothered to look in other public library microfiche files in other cities around the country to see if there was a edition of those 2 news papers sent to other cities and cross reference to see if those 2 news papers in Hawaii is bogus ?
Good point. I don’t see why any hospital can’t publish the fact that someone wasn’t born in their facility.
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davidfarrar
I read the HIPAA and I agree the only restrictions are on release of medical records, and if they don’t exist there apparently is no harm done.
And then later stated it was a different hospoital. See above post. How reliable is this hearsay in light of the fat that she mentions two different hospitals?
Not strange at all, since any hospital that did so would face a whopping fine.
Ever since the HIPAA privacy laws, hospitals and medical personnel can't release such information. This holds whether the patient is Joe Blow or a celebrity, and whether the patient is alive or dead.
- be fined not more than $50,000, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both;
- if the offense is committed under false pretenses, be fined not more than $100,000, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both; and
- if the offense is committed with intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain, or malicious harm, be fined not more than $250,000, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both
I hate to see inaccurate information as it doesn't help the discussion. A child with U.S. citizenship can't lose it as a result of his parent's actions. The State Department has made that very clear - a parent can't renounce on behalf of a minor. And if Indonesian law required renunciation, that would have no effect on U.S. law.
HIPAA law forbids it. Here's an article from World Net Daily explaining it.
I would think that someone would have an actual paper form of the newspaper.
Surely someone has one in their baby book or among their death records, or perhaps as a wedding souvenir.
Michael Medved reminds me of the hymn “Amazing Grace”.
He is blind and **refuses** to see. Hopefully, when the truth is finally shoved up his nose, he will feel the pain of a guilty conscience.
Okay. I stand corrected on this point.
Hey! we are making progress, undoubted progress.
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davidfarrar
I am not sure if Maya Soctoro-Ng has ever specifically retracted this particular article, but she has retracted the name of the medical center Barack was born in. She has been saying for a long time now that it was not Queen’s Medical Center but Kapiolani Medical Center.
As to this specific article, if you will look at the information that is in “quotation marks”, you will see the first paragraph is not a direct quote from Maya Soctoro-Ng. Thus written, the information that Obama was born in Queen’s Medical Center came from the author of the article and not directly from Maya Soctoro-Ng, herself.
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davidfrarar
There is no public evidence to suggest that he ever did that - however there is evidence that clearly suggests he was legally adopted and there is also evidence to suggest that obama attended college on the basis of being a “foreign student”
And there is further evidence that when he traveled to Pakistan as a college student that it would likely had to have been on a passport issued by a nation other than the US
I would just add that as someone that was born overseas (with dual citizenship) and having to officially assert my US citizenship at age 18, I do have some first hand knowledge of the process
So unless you are an attorney specializing in citizenship law I will go with what I know to be true
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As to this specific article, if you will look at the information that is in “quotation marks”, you will see the first paragraph is not a direct quote from Maya Soctoro-Ng. Thus written, the information that Obama was born in Queen’s Medical Center came from the author of the article and not directly from Maya Soctoro-Ng, herself. Working many years as a nom de plume staff writer for newspapers around the country, I'm intimately familiar with the AP Style Handbook and guidelines for attribution. Regardless of the existence or absence of quotation marks, the author derived the information from the subject of the interview: Maya (or perhaps even Obama). If you look at the two-pages of this article, there are only TWO sources referenced in this story: - Maya Soetoro IN FACT, if you look at the LAST paragraph of the November 2004 story, Obama is QUOTED directly. A search for the sentence, "I truly believe that there is another tradition in this country that says we're all connected somehow," shows NO other references on Google, Bing or AllTheWeb (sans this original article). That indicates to me that the author did NOT lift the quote from another source. Rather, the author interviewed Obama on the phone from Hawaii. It's even possible that Obama HIMSELF may be source of Queen's Medical Center being his hospital of birth — that is, until perhaps he and his campaign realized that Kapiolani Medical Center would be more difficult for skeptics to disprove as the campaign rolled on. There is no reasonable explanation as to why after nearly FIVE years, there has been no retraction from the author or Maya. This story was one of the FIRST to be written after Obama won his Senate seat in November 2004. Furthermore, IF a sudden retraction comes out NOW — as Obama’s popularity is tumbling and eligibility suits are gaining traction — many of us are FAR more likely to think that the author of the 2004 article had been pressured by an Obama operative. I would insist on seeing/hearing the journalist's original notes of the interview with Maya to believe otherwise. Many of us have been tracking the most recent bout revisionism that Obama and his supporters have been trying to conduct since July — scrubbing of the facts on the internet and elsewhere. There's about six that I've cataloged since approximately July 1 — I'm sure others here have tracked others. Many Obama supporters will come onto places like Free Republic, asking for “proof” like you're asking for now, only to then attempt to refute what is in BLACK AND WHITE. In fact - YOU are the 2nd or 3rd person in as many days to bring up THIS 2004 article about Maya — to then refute it in some way. Some Obama supporters have gone so far as to use our body of knowledge here as a means to isolate those inconsistencies that we have found, to then have supporters seemingly contact the author or newspaper, demanding a revision. I'm unsure if the words, “OR ELSE” had been added, but seeing Obama’s Chicago tactics in action, I wouldn't doubt if either incentive or intimidation has been used. |
I am not an immigration lawyer. I read the state department pages. If you are stipulating that 0bama was born abroad, that's one thing. If you are saying he was a citizen, and through living in Indonesia or being adopted would lose it or need to reassert it, especially for those living in the US prior to the 18th birthday, that doesn't square with what I've read. I also know the laws have changed, so your situation and that of someone today may be different. Any immigration lawyers around help us one way or the other?
there is also evidence to suggest that obama attended college on the basis of being a “foreign student”
I've heard speculation about that, but didn't realize someone had found evidence. What was found?
And there is further evidence that when he traveled to Pakistan as a college student that it would likely had to have been on a passport issued by a nation other than the US
Why not on a US passport? I remember when people were saying that US citizens couldn't travel to Pakistan during 1961, but that was contradicted by contemporaneous newspaper travel articles, and by a search of the State Dept travel advisory lists. (I can't remember who did the search, but it was posted on a thread months ago.)
No, but I have a spell checker. /s
What is ex animo?
Thanks
I was gonna comment but...
Thanks.
True, but if a mistake was made in this in-house newsletter, it may not have seemed to her like a big enough deal to require a public correction.
Uhhhhh.... BINGO pass go collect $200 and a Joker Tee.
I’ve looked up this information before, because I’ve read claims that Obama’s sister, and even Obama himself, have given conflicting stories about his birth hospital. From what I found out, it all stems from mistakes reporters have made, not Obama or his family. One was corrected, I believe, but others were not.
Or so he says. But he has been known to lie about issues of his ancestory, his parent's situtation, and so forth.
Only the birth certificate will confirm who his father was. Even a short form, a real paper document with seal and so forth, would tell us that, but not, for instance, where his father was born. If it does indeed show that BHO Sr was his father, then we'd need to see BHO's visa records to determine if he was a non-citizen, BOTH times he traveled to Hawaii, the first time in '59, the second and AFAIK, last time around '73, sometime near Christmas, when he met BHO Jr, possibly for the first time. For certain since Junior was a newborn.
You see, this is why my fellow Freepers at FreeRepublic.com/ are unbeatable. I think your information and experience in this spot is right on and is exactly what I needed. I will of course bring your post to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Thanks. That’s a great job.
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davidfarrar
I wonder if anyone else was there in February, 2007 and heard him describe his birth at Queen’s or did this reporter get a private interview with him in which he described it?
What Indonesia thinks is of no import to US law.
It’s Latin for “Sincerely”.
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davidfarrar
From the heart.
This is an interesting UPI article I have never seen before. How can I get the whole article?
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davidfarrar
At least images were posted purporting to be of their birth announcements which indicate that Mr. & Mrs. Barrack H. Obama had a son on Aug 4, 1961. But, if real, those announcements would both have been triggered by the filing of a birth certificate, any kind of birth certificate. Including a "home birth" filing.
David Farrar
September 27th, 2009
10:40 pm
Thanks for your help.
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davidfarrar
My Dad is from the Philippines. My Mom was born and raised in Delaware. When I was born, he was one year from gaining his citizenship. Does that mean I’m not “naturally born” either?
Can you give me the URL of this UPI article? I would also like to re-post it to the AJC blog. Thanks.
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davidfarrar
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