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John McCain Would be Better than Obama
Right Handed Pitcher ^ | 9/23/2009 | Timothy Knight

Posted on 09/24/2009 3:55:59 PM PDT by oldskuulconserv

Glenn Beck, a Conservative talk show host who I have become a fan of over the past several years, was on Katie Couric's CBS television show the other night, and he had the audacity to say that John McCain would have been twice as worse as Barack Obama, if elected into the Oval office, and that he would consider voting for Hillary Clinton over John McCain!

Excuse me?

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008elections; katietheclown; mccain; obama; perkypig; politics
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1 posted on 09/24/2009 3:56:00 PM PDT by oldskuulconserv
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To: oldskuulconserv

with McCain we would lose even more in the house and senate.


2 posted on 09/24/2009 3:57:21 PM PDT by omega4179 (We must be the change.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

john McCain would be the same as obama, they have a lot in common


3 posted on 09/24/2009 3:58:46 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: oldskuulconserv

John McCain at an ACORN SEIU tally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI

They weren’t going to support him for opposing their agenda.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 3:59:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

If we can defeat socialism through Obama’s total failure, Obama was better.

McCain would have been a RINO, as always, and would have been called a conservative by the media. His failure could have hurt us worse in the long term.

As Beck himself put it, was the DNC better off for having Jimmy win in ‘76?


5 posted on 09/24/2009 3:59:38 PM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: omega4179
A real Catch 22

It is no wonder so many Republicans and Conservatives stayed home last fall.

6 posted on 09/24/2009 3:59:40 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Stalin would be better than Hitler.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 3:59:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: oldskuulconserv

I agree...when he would have done the same things or worse, we would have sat back complacently just as we have done for years...it took Obama to completely stir us up to action..ie. the teaparties, the 9-12 projects etc. We needed something to mobilize us.


8 posted on 09/24/2009 3:59:59 PM PDT by clove
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To: oldskuulconserv

I fully agree. We are facing the worst threat right now with Obama. Anyone who does not see that is complacent.


9 posted on 09/24/2009 4:01:20 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: oldskuulconserv

McC has agreed with Obama on almost everything, and with him in the WH it would be the GOP taking the traditional mid-term losses next year, and it would take a D victory to make him a 1 termer.


10 posted on 09/24/2009 4:01:20 PM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: oldskuulconserv

He explained this yesterday on his show and it made perfect sense to me.


11 posted on 09/24/2009 4:01:35 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: oldskuulconserv

McCain would have been a disaster for conservative Americans.

Obama is so up in our faces with his Marxist BS that folks have FINALLY recognized the danger we now face.

If, however, we don’t neuter him by sweeping most of his fellow travelers from congress in 2010, we deserve whateverthehell happens to us next — and it WILL NOT BE PRETTY.


12 posted on 09/24/2009 4:02:15 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: oldskuulconserv
It's a mixed bag. McCain would have been better for our country, and especially our national security. Obama has clearly been a godsend to the GOP. But, I'm afraid much of the damage that Obama has done - or will do in the coming years - won't be undone with the next election, or next several elections.

If he gets Obamacare through, I just don't think it will ever go away.

13 posted on 09/24/2009 4:03:11 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Did you bother to listen to his explanation?


14 posted on 09/24/2009 4:03:29 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (To understan' the livin' you got to commune wit' da dead.)
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To: clove

Exactly. With McCain we might actually be even further down the road to socialism because pure partisans would have been steadfast in their support.

With Obozo, the partisans don’t have that excuse.


15 posted on 09/24/2009 4:03:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

McCain was a lousy Candidate. He was picked by Republicn leaders who are themselves RINO’s

Worse: What are they picking today. Who are they getting ready?

If it is Romney and Huckabee, why would we even go to the polls?

We need someone who is Conservative and can be moderate without crossing over into kissing liberal butts for votes.

I have no idea who that will be, but the two top contenders right now both suck.


16 posted on 09/24/2009 4:03:55 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: oldskuulconserv

Why the hell bother? McLame said we have nothing to worry about with Obozo?

yeah, lets tell ourselves he would have been a lot better.

Mmmm huh?


17 posted on 09/24/2009 4:03:59 PM PDT by indylindy (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

I agree with Beck. I began to dislike McCain when the McCain-Feingold bill passed.


18 posted on 09/24/2009 4:04:12 PM PDT by diefree
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To: diefree

I think that Sarah Palin made the difference, even then we all held our nose and pulled the lever.


19 posted on 09/24/2009 4:06:35 PM PDT by clove
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To: diefree

All of the republican Soros puppets need to be outed and sent packing.


20 posted on 09/24/2009 4:07:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

McCain would have been worse. As evidenced by the previous 8 years the GOP members of the house and senate would have found it impossible to grow a pair and push back against an admittedly slower but just as certain implementation of the socialist agenda with a Republican (RINO) in the White House and overwhelming Dem majority in the house and senate. The public would not have been as galvanized either.


21 posted on 09/24/2009 4:07:36 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: oldskuulconserv
McCain would be a more competent president. But a lot of people think he'd be worse for conservatism or the GOP. It's the "things have to get worse before they get better" or "we needed to suffer through Carter to get Reagan" argument. It's possible, but where's the Reagan?

McCain would have to be better a better President than Obama is. He wouldn't let Congress dictate to him on the stimulus or health care. But then again, a candidate who up and says that the economy isn't his strong point could have had real problems as president.

22 posted on 09/24/2009 4:07:42 PM PDT by x
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To: oldskuulconserv

The election was over when john mcCain ran back to DC to support the bailout.

A Genuine conservative would have opposed Bush’s plan and would have won.

Woulduv, coulduv, shoulduv.


23 posted on 09/24/2009 4:08:28 PM PDT by right way right
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To: SampleMan

We were just discussing this issue and decided that as bad as BO is, McCain would have dragged conservative ideals completely down the drain. With BO we have a chance to reclaim our country because he is so absolutely awful. I think we must pray, pray, and pray! I remember Glen Beck eating a whole chocolate cake the night McCain was our pick. He was upset and wanted...Romney...


24 posted on 09/24/2009 4:11:23 PM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Supreme Court justices sit for a very long time. You really think that McCain would have selected such extreme liberals as Obama will do? How long will it take to undo the damage that Obama is going to do to this country over 4 years. Maybe 30 or 40 years.

McCain would not turn his back on Israel or completely gut the military.

If conservatives needed a communist usurper in the White House to rouse them out of bed we are in real trouble.

Do you burn your house down to force you to renovate?


25 posted on 09/24/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by Lundy_s Lane II
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To: oldskuulconserv

Well, I think Beck needs to learn some things are better left unsaid, even if he believes them to be true. That statement sounds like something I’d expect to hear from Bill O’Rilley or McCain. The more I listen to Beck the more he reminds me of O’Rilley. They both have done some good things but can be too full of themselves and sometimes have a desire to appeal to the mushy middle.


26 posted on 09/24/2009 4:12:58 PM PDT by Kangaroo Court
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To: oldskuulconserv

McCain wants a lot of the same things that Hussein wants and is more apt to get them because he would be in agreement with the Democrats and the Republicans are his party and would not oppose him strenuously. He would lose seats to Democrats in 2010. The 2008 election was a choice of paths to hell.


27 posted on 09/24/2009 4:13:04 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Lundy_s Lane II
You really think that McCain would have selected such extreme liberals as Obama will do?

What makes you think he wouldn't?
28 posted on 09/24/2009 4:14:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: clove

Me too. I only voted because Sarah was on the ticket.


29 posted on 09/24/2009 4:15:06 PM PDT by diefree
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To: omega4179
You are right. With McCain we would lose more of the House and Senate but Obama is screwing up our country so bad that it will actually bring the Republicans back into focus. Just as Reagan won by a landslide after the Carter debacle.
30 posted on 09/24/2009 4:17:25 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Aside from the inevitable race riots that would have sparked out of control due to the Democrats screaming the elections were fixed and having to deal with the media hammering Palin on a Daily basis..... Sure I think it would have been better had McCain won.

However, The best case scenario would hae been to have Thomas Sowell lead the ticket with Sarah palin as his VP. There would have been no arguement on why they won and America would be a much nicer place to live.


31 posted on 09/24/2009 4:17:55 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Joe Wilson was speaking truth to power in the Peoples House. I am Joe !)
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To: Lundy_s Lane II

You think McCain would have gotten a good SC appointment through this Senate? And if he could not he would run a 2nd choice who would be , at best, a RINO like himself. With the power that the Social Democrats have in this Senate, they may well have turned down a RINO after which McCain would have provided them with what they wanted.


32 posted on 09/24/2009 4:18:18 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

McCain would have destroyed conservatives: he wanted to pass the progressive agenda under the name of “conservatism”. McCain’s progressive failure would have been labeled a failure of conservatism, and most of the ignorant public would have believed it.

This would have given the left the cover needed to go totally kooky, radical left and still seem left of center, while real conservatives would be made to look kooky compared to the “conservative” McCain.

We can at least now make our case against Obama and show the nation how radical he is. But with McCain we’d be stuck fighting a guy we elected. And we’d be stuck with the responsibility of his failure: as he and the left would blame us for holding him down... and most would believe it.


33 posted on 09/24/2009 4:20:36 PM PDT by NotSoModerate (Obama administration: Psycho Justice Crusaders)
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To: clove

I think that Sarah Palin made the difference, even then we all held our nose and pulled the lever.


Without Sarah Palin on the ticket there would have been no way I would have voted Republican for President(would have been a first for me).


34 posted on 09/24/2009 4:23:07 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Beck is correct.Mcnutts would be worse for conservatives in the long run.The bamster has opened peoples eyes like no other could.


35 posted on 09/24/2009 4:26:01 PM PDT by imahawk (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

I think RINOs should join with their Socialist Comrades in the 'Rat party. The difference between McLoser and Urkel is an imaginary (R).

36 posted on 09/24/2009 4:26:49 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: crazyhorse691

Sarah Palin is the only reason I pulled the GOP lever this time and I’m not nearly as enamoured with her as many are.


37 posted on 09/24/2009 4:27:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Dick Bachert

“Obama is so up in our faces with his Marxist BS that folks have FINALLY recognized the danger we now face.”

they have? check the latest polls


38 posted on 09/24/2009 4:28:17 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: omega4179

Bingo.

People had to relearn how bankrupt liberalism is, and how much more so fascism is under this President.

McCain would have simply destroyed whatever credibility remained in the perception of what conservatism stood for. I wrote in Thompson for this reason. If I couldn’t get conservatism, I wasn’t about to endorse a Statist, even at the risk of getting a fascist.


39 posted on 09/24/2009 4:29:20 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ohiogrammy

romney would have been ten times worse than mccain. He would’ve convinced leading conservatives to support socialized health care. Don’t believe me? Look at hannity. He still defends romneycare.


40 posted on 09/24/2009 4:31:36 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: oldskuulconserv

beck is not a conservative


41 posted on 09/24/2009 4:33:54 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: cripplecreek

He voted against Sotomayor.


42 posted on 09/24/2009 4:34:10 PM PDT by Lundy_s Lane II
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To: ohiogrammy

The night McLame won the nomination I too, wanted Romney! Through the who primary I kept losing the candidates that would’ve been considered conservative until it basically got down to McLame, Huckabee and Romney. Out of the 3 the CLEAR pick was Romney, to me. Then during the general I wanted McLame to pick Romney as the VP.

Then on that fateful, awesome day, when McLame picked Sarah, I knew right then she was my solid conservative pick for VP and my hope now is for prez :)

I no longer look at Romney as a candidate for anything of importance to me.


43 posted on 09/24/2009 4:40:33 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: oldskuulconserv

Answer:

1) You missed his show on Fox wherein he gave a reasonable explanation for his comments.

2) You did see Beck’s show on Fox ( see answer option #1), and it wasn’t good enough for you, so you’re asking for support for your conclusions.

3) You’re a craven lickspittal lib troll, hoping to sneak in here under a false premiss...... just to start a Beck bashing thread.

I suppose there could be other possible answers, but I’m thinking it’s one of those.


44 posted on 09/24/2009 4:41:56 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: arthurus

I don’t really want to support McCain here.

But people who really think that this country is better off with Obama the usurper and radical leftist vs. McCain/Palin are looking backwards. Obama is far worse than Carter and there is no Reagan in the wings.

I believe that at least SC appointments under McCain would have been moderates and not extreme leftists. McCain would not place real conservatives on the SC but I would rather have 2 moderates that might vote correct half of the time compared to 2 leftists that would tilt SCOTUS totally to the left.

And there is no reason conservatives couldn’t yell just as loud against McCain as they are to Obama.


45 posted on 09/24/2009 4:44:24 PM PDT by Lundy_s Lane II
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To: Lundy_s Lane II

“If conservatives needed a communist usurper in the White House to rouse them out of bed we are in real trouble.”

Sir, or ma’am, with total and due respect, we ARE in real trouble. The American people (except for all us smartypants here on FR, and even then....) grew fat and complacent letting election after election take us further and further left, never paying an ounce of attention to the political process.

Getting Obama is EXACTLY what this nation needs to get back to the founding by being scared sh*tless of losing it. The huge, looming question is, are there more of us than them and will we revolt and take back our country.


46 posted on 09/24/2009 4:45:56 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: Kangaroo Court

It’s my VERY humble opinion that Glenn was not appealing to the mushy middle by making the comment. On the contrary, he’s saying McCain is exactly there, in the mushy middle, and would perpetrate the same shift to the left as obama.

Glenn is a solid conservative, like most of us here and he didn’t want the same mushy crap any more.

Neither do I.


47 posted on 09/24/2009 4:49:14 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: spacejunkie01

This subject was gone into in GREAT detail on the famous Bugswatter thread of Spring, 2007.


48 posted on 09/24/2009 4:50:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

McCain Presidency would have ruined Palin’s chances in 2012 or 2016! I’m glad he lost!!


49 posted on 09/24/2009 4:56:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: Lundy_s Lane II

With Hussein in the seat we have a chance to improve our position in 2010. Were it McCain there we must lose even further in 2010. You have to posit McCain AND a massive Republican Congressional win in 2008. Then we would have 4 more years of Bush and a shattered economy with the prospect of the Social Democrats doing in 2012 what they did for real in 2008. I don’t even think his foreign policy would have been much of an improvement. Congress would have pulled him quite out of Iraq by now and be shutting down Afghanistan. The Press chose McCain and the Republicans had NO chance with him because of him. We have what we were going to get, an MSM President.


50 posted on 09/24/2009 4:57:37 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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