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Who Are We to Believe, the President or George's Lying Dictionary?
Leibowitz's Canticle ^ | September 20, 2009 | Leibowitz

Posted on 09/20/2009 6:40:20 PM PDT by Bob Leibowitz

In a discussion that centers on the meaning of the word "tax" President Obama tells us that relying on the definition listed by Merriam-Webster is "stretching." Instead, we should just accept his position: the dictionary is wrong, let's move on.

Here is the transcript, courtesy of ABC News. The argument between George Stephanopoulos and President Obama, over whether the requirement that every person in America must purchase government-approved insurance or pay a fine, has just begun.

The incoherence is in the original. I presume Mr. Obama's telepromtors had the day off.

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The… ­for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that… right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy...

OBAMA: No, but… but, George, you… you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the...

OBAMA: What… what… if I… if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say… well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I… I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's Dictionary: Tax…"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the… definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the… dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but...

OBAMA: ...what you're saying is...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that.

It is eerily similar to the finger-wagging lecture by Bill Clinton, also over a definition, in his case the meaning of "is."

In this instance, George has armed himself against potential Presidential dissembling or overly aggressive wordsmithing by bring along one of the country's most respected dictionaries and quoting from its first listed meaning of the word in question.

Relying on the dictionary's definition is stretching, Mr. President?

Well, I suppose it depends on the meaning of the word dictionary...


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: abcnews; bho44; demlies; economy; healthcare; liarinchief; obama; obamacare
Who Are We to Believe, the President or George's Lying Dictionary?
1 posted on 09/20/2009 6:40:20 PM PDT by Bob Leibowitz
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Imagine how much fun SNL could have with this guy — if he were a Republican.


2 posted on 09/20/2009 6:43:41 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Obama is insane.


3 posted on 09/20/2009 6:44:17 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Bob Leibowitz
I can't stand to listen to Obummer’s speeches because he always sounds like he's chastising people like they're a bunch of little children who just can't understand. Now he feels the need to redefine the dictionary too? If this guy is not the ultimate example of elitist snob, I don't know who is.
4 posted on 09/20/2009 6:44:46 PM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Bob Leibowitz

it depends on the definition of stretch


5 posted on 09/20/2009 6:46:01 PM PDT by outlawjake
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I was so mad when I saw this exchange I had to leave the room. I had blood shooting out of my eyes.

And the look on George’s face was priceless. It was like he couldn’t believe what he was hearing.

Obama is an insane moron. I think he actually believes his “gift” will make you believe whatever he says.


6 posted on 09/20/2009 6:47:28 PM PDT by AnglePark
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Obama even lies when confronted with a definition. The girl is incredible.


7 posted on 09/20/2009 6:48:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

BTW, no difference from the trolls here.


8 posted on 09/20/2009 6:51:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Bob Leibowitz
OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the… definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the… dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what...

Arguing against an accepted dictionary definition for a common, three letter word, and one that he must have heard used many, many times in his time as a lawyer and a lawmaker is not a good sign. (He also has a history of word use problems; his exams posted at the New York Times show this same problem.)

9 posted on 09/20/2009 6:57:36 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: AnglePark

Maybe George is finally getting it. Perhaps he will ask Obama about the Sasha almost died from meningitis that she didn’t really have story....


10 posted on 09/20/2009 6:58:13 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Ping for later read.


11 posted on 09/20/2009 6:58:23 PM PDT by TheVitaminPress
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To: Bob Leibowitz

After reading this transcript, hats off to Snuffy for asking a few semi-hard questions (not really hard questions) ... but the answers say only one thing to me: Obama is really in love with himself and thinks the dictionary is wrong!! Holy crapola! Perhaps he can re-write the Bill of Rights, The Constitution and maybe even the Bible as well, since there are so many things that can be done better. Better being HIS way.

I’d rather have “this is a village” Hillary in office than this guy! Hell, I’d rather have ANYONE else in office!

I hope those who watched his TVapalooza today learned a little more about his myopic personality. I myself - couldn’t bear watching. Spent my morning cleaning toilets and gutters and other dirty things.

Glenn... Sean... PRETTY PLEASE interview a psychologist on your show and get an opinion on what they think about Zero!!


12 posted on 09/20/2009 6:59:13 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: Red Steel
We have a narcissistic sociopath/compulsive liar for a president...

;-/

13 posted on 09/20/2009 7:00:35 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin: The only Republican to take on Zer0bonehead and WIN!)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Snuffleupagus the puppet vs the Teleprompter. Toady puff piece.


14 posted on 09/20/2009 7:01:45 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Video added at blog.


15 posted on 09/20/2009 7:03:15 PM PDT by Bob Leibowitz (Response, Free Republic, news)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

you see , this is why i don’t dread the endless round of appearances of this clown and the pundits comments afterwards. it seems that there is ALWAYS something weird,wacky,off the wall /just plain don’t make sense about Obama


16 posted on 09/20/2009 7:04:40 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Fmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Dictionaries are racist.


17 posted on 09/20/2009 7:06:23 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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To: screaminsunshine

So was Hitler.


18 posted on 09/20/2009 7:09:09 PM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Bob Leibowitz
"OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that.

It's amazing how often this guy's critics are absolutely correct!
19 posted on 09/20/2009 7:11:16 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Honesty is like a knife... Used without love, it can do a lot of harm.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Nobody in here hates Obama more than I do, but....

My take is that he was upset that the host had a dictionary already there to challenge him.

His idea of a tax is either point of purchase or payroll withholding.


20 posted on 09/20/2009 7:12:01 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I’m starting to notice that the liberals in the media, like Stephanopoulos, who were hard core clintonites, are started to ask Obama the tough questions and not give him an automatic pass. It makes me wonder if Bill and Hill haven’t noticed Obama’s approval ratings falling and sent out the word to their footsoldiers to soften Obama up for a Hillary primary challenge in 2012.


21 posted on 09/20/2009 7:12:34 PM PDT by apillar
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

I think he is trying to say that we are paying insurance premiums now. When they go up 5 to 8% next year, that is not a tax.

So when he takes it over, it still ‘will not be a tax’, it is still just an ‘insurance premium’. It is a ‘service’...

Hmmmm.

Lucy, we got a problem...


22 posted on 09/20/2009 7:13:10 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Steffi tried to rough up Baraq?

Color me surprised....shocked sh*tless even....or are the Clintons telling Steffi it’s time to start planning for 2012?


23 posted on 09/20/2009 7:15:29 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I love that he used car insurance, a completely voluntary requirement (I don’t have to own a car, many people don’t) as an example and justification for a universal, compulsory health insurance requirement or receive a fine. Ummm, that is pretty much a tax in my book.


24 posted on 09/20/2009 7:18:23 PM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Gargantua

“We have a narcissistic sociopath/compulsive liar for a president...”

Yup. You got at least ninety percent of Obama in those few words. One minor omission: narcissists believe that they are *due* adoration and adulation, without having to work for it. They’re above *work*... and therefore just a little bit... well, lazy. Obama *needs* scores of czars to do his work as well as theirs. This is why speaking without a telprompter yields, “uh, ah, duh....”


25 posted on 09/20/2009 7:25:32 PM PDT by JohnQ1 ("Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever." Oscar Wilde)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A)...if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage...B) even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then...

A) Does that mean that a person who can't afford insurance won't be covered?
B) If you GAVE me a tax credit? You ain't GIVING us anything! It's OUR money, you p_ick! But, still, it's a TAX because it's OUR money you are giving us, you arrogant, elitist, POS!!!
26 posted on 09/20/2009 7:26:26 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

I was expecting Obama to wave his hand as he was redefining “taxes” to George, similar to how Obi-wan manipulate the Imperial Warriors in Star Wars. Then Obi-wan said it was easy to manipulate the feeble-minded. Wish I had the skills to create a utube.


27 posted on 09/20/2009 7:30:30 PM PDT by fastrock (It is never right to do wrong, even if sanctioned by law. - Abe Lincoln)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

IS=IS


28 posted on 09/20/2009 7:35:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Pikachu_Dad

i think a person needs to smoke a lot of crack before these interviews to give them the high they need to actually contradict an in-print Merriam-Webster. It’s good for the ego/sarc


29 posted on 09/20/2009 7:41:34 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Fmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

i think a person needs to smoke a lot of crack before these interviews to give them the high they need to actually contradict an in-print Merriam-Webster. It’s good for the ego/sarc


30 posted on 09/20/2009 7:41:48 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Fmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Yes he is, and it appears he thinks he will win this by simply driving us insane trying to follow what he is saying.

Ever try to get rid of a phone salesman??? Many people simply purchase whatever just the shut them up. That is what Osama is doing to us, wearing us mentally down until we give up.

There will be some who will go along with him because they will want to pretend they understand just what he is saying so to appear intelligent, like OH YEAH!, I get it. HUH????

31 posted on 09/20/2009 7:48:04 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: Bob Leibowitz
George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary

Anyone else find it odd he referred to it as "Merriam's Dictionary"? I wonder if President Brilliant has ever heard of it.

32 posted on 09/20/2009 7:52:38 PM PDT by jtal
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To: Bob Leibowitz
George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary

Anyone else find it odd he referred to it as "Merriam's Dictionary"? I wonder if President Brilliant has ever heard of it.

33 posted on 09/20/2009 7:53:26 PM PDT by jtal
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Isn’t George a Clintonite? Maybe he got the question from Hillary. It showed that Obama is a fool.


34 posted on 09/20/2009 7:54:23 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Bob Leibowitz
If we don't call a tax a tax then it must not be a tax. So Social Security is obviously not a tax since it is just a retirement insurance plan. Unlike life insurance this plan only has to pay if you are alive to collect it.

The same with Medicare. It's not a tax it's just another government controlled insurance plan.

See, now Obama has just given everyone a tax cut. The government still collects the money from you but it's not a tax because Obama says it's not.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
...

35 posted on 09/20/2009 7:55:33 PM PDT by eggman (Obama's Spread the Wealth will work just as well as Spread the Liabilities (sub-prime mortgages))
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To: jtal; Bob Leibowitz
George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary

Anyone else find it odd he referred to it as "Merriam's Dictionary"? I wonder if President Brilliant has ever heard of it.

Yeah, we Americans know it as Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, or Webster's Dictionary for short.

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary

36 posted on 09/20/2009 7:57:27 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Bob Leibowitz
My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy.

Name one sector that you haven't stuck your arrogant nose in, LIAR!

37 posted on 09/20/2009 7:57:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bob Leibowitz

George did not bow ???

Off with his head...


38 posted on 09/20/2009 8:21:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AuntB; Liz

right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance.
_________________________________________

Oh dear...

Ya wanta rethink that statement Barry...

Another freebie for the illegal aliens...

They dont pay for auto insurance either...


39 posted on 09/20/2009 8:24:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bob Leibowitz

>right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase.

No, but _I_ consider it a form of tyranny.


40 posted on 09/20/2009 8:45:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

>OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the… definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the… dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what...

WTF!! Where else but a dictionary would you go to get a definition? It’s called communication, to make sure that everyone is using the same words/terms to accurately communicate ideas!

It indicates to me that he wants to be sure you understand what is being said. (Which your reply indicates that you do not. *sigh*)


41 posted on 09/20/2009 8:52:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz; All

I work in telecom ...

As an engineer, my dept. needed upgrades to our software, and I designed the parameters.

When we got the software from the MIS dept., it included things we didn’t want, didn’t need, and couldn’t use ...

MIS then pressed my dept. to use them - calling them ... FEATURES !!!

Mandatory insurance is NOT a tax - its a FEATURE !!!


42 posted on 09/20/2009 11:19:53 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Tennessee Nana

"You vile piece of white trash. How dare you demand healthcare?"

43 posted on 09/20/2009 11:38:52 PM PDT by Liz
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