Keyes v Obama Update

Give Us Liberty ^ | Steve

[pissant]

Reports from Gary are starting...He is about 25th in line out of approximately 300 people waiting to get into the courtroom. Almost all spectators are anti-Obama.

Orly Taitz arrived just a few moments ago and the throng applauded.

Lucas Smith is also present. Smith has claimed the Obama birth certificate he has shown on the Internet as real. That remains to be seen. However it is interesting he has joined the proceedings.

Steve

8.39 am pst 9/8/09

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When court is in session cell phones and camera's will be banned so we will experience a news blackout.

This hearing may last from 30 minutes to a couple of hours. Taitz apparently wishes to include Lucas Smith so that an investigation of his proffered document can be be forensically examined and by which means he came by it.

Justice Carter is expected to throw out the last minute attempt Motion to Dismiss submitted by Obama's counsel late in the afternoon this past Friday. Taitz is also hoping for court approval to depose Sec State Clinton and Sec Defense Gates. Justice Carter may also rule for discovery. This is what we are hoping for, because once discovery is ordered the case is over. Obama would then have to unseal his records and produce.

Steve

9.11 am pst 9/8/09

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Gary also mentioned there was no visible media turnout for this hearing as in no SatCam Uplink Trucks. The LA Fox Channel was expected to report on this hearing. Perhaps they are awaiting a "courthouse steps" exit interview from the pertinent parties.

Back to you Gary.....

Steve

9.26 am pst 9/8/09

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Justice Carter noting the packed courtroom and overflow crowd waiting in the hallways has ordered a change to a larger courtroom and has taken a 2 hour recess to accommodate the transfer of officers of the court and spectators.

Steve

10.02 am pst 9/8/09

In the meantime read some articles watch our "Burning Down The House" video (rate it I'm curious:)

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As far as crowd demographics the estimated age range is 18 to 80

70% Men 30% Women

age 60+ seems to be the majority. About the same mix as an August Town Hall crowd.

Orly Taitz appeared relaxed-- calm cool and collected.

More as I receive it.............

Steve

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[pissant]

That's all I can find right now

[pissant]

ping

[BGHater]

‘age 60+ seems to be the majority. About the same mix as an August Town Hall crowd.’

Angry old people. Public Health care should finish them off, then Gov’t can get down to business. /s

[trumandogz]

Have you found the criminal penalties for submitting a false affidavit and forged document to a federal court?

[null and void]

It’s good. Thanks.

[smedley64]

I love that the judge noted the large crowd, and moved to a larger venue.

Getting my popcorn, thanks for the update.

[pissant]

Nope. But they probably are pretty severe. The Lucas kid is either nuts or an Obama plant.

[LucyT]

“Orly Taitz arrived just a few moments ago ...

“Lucas Smith is also present. Smith has claimed the Obama birth certificate he has shown on the Internet as real. That remains to be seen. However it is interesting he has joined the proceedings. “

[LucyT]

The site pests are here already...

[Uncle Chip]

Excellent — and a great big Thank You to Gary and Steve.

[cvq3842]

interesting.

[Two Kids' Dad]

Thanks Pissant. This is in the Orange County (CA) Superior court, yes? If the proceedings carry over into tomorrow I will try to get down there and take some pictures and video.

[jcsjcm]

Ping

[Frantzie]

Is this in front of Judge Carter. I hope Orly did some vetting of Lucas Smith.

[j_guru]

Big PING!!!

[deport]

Info here..........

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Lucas is there? My, oh my.

[kidd]

Thanks.

Who is ‘Gary’?

[Diogenesis]

Click for more info

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Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

[~Kim4VRWC's~]

Thank you...
Bookmarked

[pissant]

Kreep, I would guess. But I don’t know

[rolling_stone]

thanks for the ping

[pissant]

This Lucas character is putting his arse in a wringer if he is making this up.

[presently no screen name]

Thanks. When you find more info, will you start a new thread or post it here?

[tumblindice]

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=112-117

[Diogenesis]

[pissant]

If it’s from the same blog, I’ll post it here. If it’s a new story, I’ll start a new thread.

[pissant]

Obama could be in a heap of trouble.

[deport]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2333868/posts?page=604#604

Sep 8, 2009 - 12:54PM QuoteReply Re: Orly’s Hearing Delayed for a Short Time

I now know the hearing began at 11:00 Pacific and is over but no further report yet...should be soon I hope. :)

1. Service of process... was accepted (as predicted)
2. Judge ordered Orly and Kreep to work together, over their objections
3. is the motion to recuse Judge Nakazato, and no report on decision on that yet.

Those are the 3 issues that were before the court today, so only one left to report on.

[steve0]

Popcorn, ready. Lets go.

[Diver Dave]

marking my spot to hold my place in line for more updates.

I’ll give “cuts” to fellow FReepers.

[mimi from mi]

Found this on another website:

Why did DOJ wait until the 11th hour this past Friday to file their motion when they have known about this hearing for some time? They file on Friday, today is a holiday and Orly’s hearing is tomorrow.
Because the reply by the DOJ was not for the September 8th hearing but rather for the October 5th hearing where the motions will be heard. The September 8th hearing, is a limited hearing.

[MHGinTN]

Until provenance is studied and thus any forgery revealed, Smith has nothing to fear. Look for him to disappear if his exhibit is handed to document experts for ‘verification’, IF the thing is a fake. School is still out on that one.

[BP2]

- ping for the truth -

[pissant]

That’s an interesting take. But I don’t buy it. Now is the time to argue for dismissal.

[EternalVigilance]

no visible media turnout

The citizen media strikes again.

[TFMcGuire]

Have you researched the penalty for impersonating a president of the United States?

[j_guru]

[pissant]

Treason then hanging would be appropriate

[Deepest End]

That doesn’t compute. I’m sure the DOJ will argue for dismissal given any opportunity to do so. That is their only defense.

[pissant]

Justice Carter recessed the court at 12.30 pst 9/8/09

His rulings

10/5/09 Defense Motion to Dismiss to be heard. Carter indicted only a very strong compelling reason would move him to dismiss at this point. He will review the defense’s 9/4/09 MTD. He wants to hear the case on it’s merits. Discovery to be ordered 10/5/09 if MTD is thrown out.

1/11/10 Pre Trial Set- procedural for other motions, depositions, scheduling, etc

1/26/10 Trial Date Set- Earliest available date for Justice Carter.

[BP2]

> This Lucas character is putting his arse
> in a wringer if he is making this up.

If he’s right, he’ll make history.

If he’s wrong, he’ll have deniability in that he’s only
coming forward with a document that he was given, not created

[Frantzie]

Gary Kreep the attorney is there? I sure wish she would spell check and proofread her stuff. She could use some help.

This Lucas worries me. I hope she checked him out.

[pissant]

I suppose, assuming the rest of his trip to Kenya story is true.

[Marmolade]

Thanks for the ping. I’ve been wondering about this all day.

[jonno]

bookmark

[LegalEagle61]

Well, this is the farthest it has gone so far, haven’t others been promptly denied?

[Smokeyblue]

His rulings are AWESOME!!! Yippee!!!

Finally, and honest judge.

[Smokeyblue]

Judge Carter’s rulings are AWESOME!!! Yippee!!!

Finally, an honest judge.

[El Gato]

The Lucas kid is either nuts or an Obama plant.

Or he's confident that his document is legitimate.

Showing up in the courtroom, when he could have stayed outside the country, would seem a pretty good indication of his feelings on the matter.