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1 posted on 07/07/2009 10:22:09 AM PDT by paustin110
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Why do we not refer to this as the ENERGY USE TAX and keep callig it that at every opportunity?

Seriously, if we do not start using common sense tactics, calling a spade a hoe, the sheeple will not get it...


2 posted on 07/07/2009 10:29:04 AM PDT by jessduntno (“We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction" - Sara Palin, quoting MacArthur.)
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The creation of these carbon credits is the creation of a wealth that companies will not easily watch go back to zero.

In other words, it’s like any welfare system. Once you hook people on it, they will resist being taken off.

Companies will not sit idly by and watch these credits become zero overnight, as they have value to them.

We are becoming a nation of welfare in all types.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 10:46:14 AM PDT by bestintxas
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My question about what I’ve read about the bill is that if it is supposed to “create” all of these jobs why is there so much unemployment benefits, etc. type of programs in it? This is a horrible bill and by looking at what has happend in Spain over the same issue for ever job created 4 other jobs disappeared so they have lost not gained!


7 posted on 07/07/2009 11:03:11 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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Someone was talking about how the cap and trade bill is to punish businesses that do things that hurt "the environment." But humans live in two environments, the so-called "natural" environment and a man-made environment. Disruption of the man-made environment has the more immediate effects on human health and welfare. This can be seen by the fact that people can live in a wide variety of "natural" environments, some more inclement than others. To do so effectively, though, they have to create a specialized environment designed to mitigate fluctuations in "natural" temperature, precipitation, sunshine, and growing cycles. Almost no one in any civilization lives in the "natural" environment unbuffered by a manmade environment. It's extremely difficult and very dangerous to do.

The cap and trade bill does very, very little to change any effect that man has on the "natural" environment, but it seems almost deliberately designed to disrupt the principal environment in which people live and prosper. It seems bent on the destruction of the human ecosystem.
8 posted on 07/07/2009 2:19:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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